Chintu di gaddi to Monti di hatti - INDIAN PUNJABIS

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This article from the Times of India pertains to Indian Punjabis. However, I am posting it here as there have been complaints in the past about Punjabis being the dominating force in Pakistan :

If this belongs to the ‘‘World Affairs’’ Forum please shift this article accordingly - Many thanks in advance.

In Pakistan one hears about the domination of the Punjabis in Pakistan.

Well Punjabis form over 60 % of Pakistan’s population.

Please read the following about Punjabis in India – Indian Punjab’s population is about 25 Million i.e. less than 2.5% of the Indian Population.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=32250851

The Punjabi beat: Money, money, money

TIMES NEWS NETWORK TUESDAY, DECEMBER 24, 2002 12:03:57 PM ]

Punjabi by nature… From Chintu di gaddi to Monty di hatti, from Nandas to Munjals, Parvinders to Oberois, Bhartis to Nirulas – the list is long. The ‘bijnis’ of making money – and, perchance, build empires – appears to be the natural calling of the collective hearts of the Punjabis.

There’s raw zeal with which the community has applied itself to the heady adventure of amassing wealth – and showing it off too. Look around Delhi, especially now that the festival season is around the corner.

You’ll find the city strewn with evidence of wealth. Flashy gold chains. Diamond studded watches. Dazzling weddings. Mercs, BMWs, Lexus, and sometimes an RR too. Among the Punjabis of Delhi, money talks, and given half a chance, it swears loudly.

It’s actually an attitude. The exuberance of the Punjabi spirit is often demonstrated in big spend. Of all the Indian cities, Delhi buys the highest number of cars, consumes the largest amount of ice-cream, washing machines, footwear, refrigerators, AC, and a lot of other consumer durables and non-durables.

Extravagant consumption has been sublimated here into joi’de vivre. You could say this is what differentiates the Punjabi from the traditional rich – say, the Marwaris, Gujaratis or Parsis – who cultivate an attitude of deliberate restraint.

But don’t mistake this exuberance for an easy come, easy go attitude. The Punjabis are a sturdy tribe. A number of them were uprooted by the Partition of 1947 and picked up the pieces of their lives here with the same unflagging energy.

They often overcame severe odds with hard toil and determination, and took to, once again, making money once again, recreating wealth and building empires.

The story of their grand revival is told from the fact that out of the BSE 100 companies, as many as 29 are from the Punjabi lay.

So, The Economic Times celebrates the indomitable spirit of the Punjabis, their infectious enthusiasm in ventures big and small, their talent in creating wealth for themselves – and society.

Who have been the leaders of the collective enterprise? We went around looking for the 10 richest Punjabi families. It wasn’t easy. Not all Punjabi companies are listed; so getting reliable figures is difficult. And even if their companies are listed, it’s difficult to get an accurate estimate of the promoters’ personal wealth.

We finally fell back on our tested methodology – the one ET has tried out to rank the top wealth creators in other communities, like the Marwaris of Kolkata and the Parsis of Mumbai.

We have taken the market capitalisation of companies that are listed and calculated the promoter family’s worth as a percentage of their stake in these companies.

In addition, we have tried to collate their wealth lying in unlisted companies and their investments in other businesses. For this, we have done a string of interviews with people in the know.

Finally, we have carried out a straw poll among the leaders of the community. At the end of it all, we seek to present an honest estimate of their wealth by factoring in all these.

And, ladies and gentlemen, the No 1 business family in Delhi are the Singhs of Ranbaxy. With a market cap of Rs 6,757 crore, the 20-something Malvinder and Shivinder, sons of the late Dr Parvinder Singh, are sitting pretty on a wealth of Rs 2,167 crore on the basis of their 32.07% holding in the company.

Informed estimates and the straw poll put their total networth at about Rs 4,000 crore — the remainder coming from their investments in other businesses, including Fortis Healthcare and Speciality Ranbaxy.

The pharma company came into being in Amritsar when Ranjit Singh and Gurbux Singh, employees of Japanese pharma company A Shionogi, fused their names to form Ranbaxy. Some years later, Bhai Mohan Singh took charge of the company.

Ranbaxy was incorporated in June 1961 as a private limited company. It has today grown to be India’s largest pharma company, largely due to the leadership role played by its late chairman Parvinder Singh. Today, Ranbaxy has more than $600m of global sales.

The other listed company of the promoters is Oscar Investments with promoters stake of over 80%. Among the unlisted companies of the promoters are SRL Ranbaxy, Fortis Healthcare and Fortis Heart Institute. The promoters have 100% stake in SRL Ranbaxy.

While the top 10 Punjabi families of Delhi are dominated by old economy businesses, one family – the Mittals – has blazed its trail in the sunrise arena of cellular telephony. Its brand, AirTel, operates in 16 circles and it has now started operations in basic telephony too.

The 44-year old Sunil Bharti Mittal began his dhanda by selling gensets for Suzuki. With Birlas tying up with Yamaha for producing gensets, and Shrirams hooking up with Honda, Sunil’s imported gensets lost their competitive edge.

Out of business, he scratched his head for the next dhanda and hit upon the import of telephone instruments.

From that to building a country-wide cellular network, Sunil Mittal has come a long way in building a telecom business with revenues upward of Rs 1,900 crore.

The Bharti group has a market capitalisation of Rs 4,402 crore, while the stake of Mittals in the group is 46.5%. This puts the family’s networth at around Rs 2,049 crore.

Over the years, the company has managed to raise foreign investment of over $1bn, considered to be the highest in India. Foreign shareholding in the Bharti group includes investments by Warburg Pincus, SingTel and New York Life Insurance.

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Next in the list is north India's most cash rich group, the Hero Group. Calculating the group's wealth is a complex exercise because of its myriad unlisted companies and assets.

The jewel in the crown is the country's largest two-wheeler company, Hero Honda, with a market cap of Rs 5,467 crore which is run by the revered family patriarch B M Munjal.

At 26% stake, the family's wealth in this company translates into Rs 1,422 crore. In addition, there is the group's cash cow, Hero Cycles, with a turnover of Rs 1,000 crore.

Although this is an unlisted company, and its financials are not public, the company's networth is said to be close to Rs 600 crore. Observers estimate the wealth of the group at close to Rs 2,500 crore, putting together all the companies, including Munjal Showa, Majestic Auto and Hero Corporate Services.

The oldest Punjabi business family is undoubtedly the Burmans of Dabur. Punjabi by birth, the Burmans started out in 1884 from Kolkata as small-time distributors of ayurveda products.

Their forefathers started the business in the narrow alleys of colonial Shyam Bazar, hawking their wares by word of mouth, a good 118 years later, the Burmans are still preaching the ayurveda gospel, but with the famed Dabur brand name.

In recent years, the brand has been reinvented —Dabur has moved to Delhi and forayed into areas like pharma, food and insurance. Dabur India's m-cap is around Rs 1,257 crore and the Burmans' networth is estimated at around Rs 1,800 crore.

Of this, around Rs 993 crore comes from the family's 79% stake in Dabur India, while the remaining Rs 800 crore comes from its stake in Lord Krishna Bank, ABN Amro Securities, Dabone India and Dabur CGNU.

Coming in at No 5 is India's pioneering hospitality family, the Oberois. The international hotel chain that Rai Bahadur Mohan Singh Oberoi built from his humble beginnings at Cecil Hotel in Shimla has now grown into an empire with a m-cap of Rs 995 crore, gross fixed assets of Rs 725 crore and net sales of Rs 477 crore.

The current stake of the Oberoi family, led by M S Oberoi's son P R S Oberoi, in EIH -- the holding company of Oberoi hotels -- is around 42.5%. This puts the family's networth at around Rs 423 crore.

However, according to our straw poll, the Oberoi's wealth is higher. ET learns that a recent valuation puts the value of Oberoi hotels in Delhi and Mumbai alone at Rs 1,200 crore, which is more than the total market cap of EIH.

Since the Oberoi group has 37 properties in India and abroad and mostly all of them are owned and not leased, the group's worth is estimated by some to be close to Rs 7,000 crore.

Taking the Oberoi's stake at 40%, the family wealth is placed around Rs 2,500-3,000 crore as per this method of valuation.

At the crack of independence, Onkar Kanwar's father, the late Raunaq Singh, started building his business empire, now known for the group flagship Apollo Tyres, which is run by Onkar.

The other companies in the group are Apollo Finance, Apollo International and a copper-clad laminates business. The Raunaq Singh family, which has seen bitter feuds between the patriarch and sons, makes it to No 6 in the list. ATL's m-cap is around Rs 505 crore, and with the promoters' stake of 36%, the family's networth is estimated valued at Rs 182 crore.

Coming next -- at No 7 -- is Deepak Puri of Moser Baer, a new economy company. Moser Baer was set up in 1983 by Puri in technical collaboration with Moser Baer, Switzerland, to sell time clocking devices.

The company soon took to the more promising data storage media business and is today the world's fifth largest manufacturer of floppy diskettes. The company's turnover last year stood at Rs 683 crore, while its m-cap is Rs 753 crore.

The promoters, including Deepak Puri and his brothers, have a stake of 24%, translating the net worth of the Puris to about Rs 180 crore. The company has developed abilities in the emerging optical data storage media, and its product line includes recordable CDs and DVDs.

Another major Punjabi business family, which is today in businesses as diverse as agriculture and telecom, and which makes it to the No 8 slot in the list, are the Nandas.

The empire that the Nandas built is now estimated at around Rs 1,000 crore. Interestingly, only Rs 124 crore of this networth is held through two listed companies, Escorts and Goetze India.

The unlisted companies, which span businesses as diverse as earthmovers and telecom, have the remaining networth of around Rs 800 crore. The Nandas include brothers Rajan Nanda and Anil Nanda and Rajan Nanda's son Nikhil Nanda.

The Thapar family comes in the top ten list as No 9. Since the group has formally split, we are taking up separately the networth of the two major Thapar splinters: the L M Thapar group and the B M Thapar group. The L M Thapar Group flagship, Ballarpur Industries, has a m-cap of Rs 296 crore.

Taking into account the promoters' stake in BILT of about 44%, L M Thapar's networth is around Rs 130 crore. The B M Thapar family's networth is Rs 121 crore, mainly through its 48% stake in Crompton Greaves. However, the B M Thapar family has stakes in many unlisted companies, whose value could not be ascertained.

Finally, nudging into the No 10 position in the ET list of top Punjabi wealth-creators is the second son of Bhai Mohan Singh -- Analjit Singh of the Max Group.

The group has a networth of over Rs 600 crore, while the m-cap of its flagship company, Max India, is Rs 181 crore. With 51% stake, Analjit Singh's networth is estimated at Rs 93 crore.

However, taking into account his stake in the group's other businesses such as insurance, healthcare, IT and telecom, Analjit Singh's personal wealth is said to be much higher.

More than his business, Analjit is known in corporate history for raking in Rs 564 crore by selling 90% of his stake in Hutchison Max JV in 1992. His current businesses are very new — in '99 he started Max Healthcare, then Max NY Life Insurance and finally Max IT.

The ranking through ET's straw poll threw up a somewhat different picture. The Singhs of Ranbaxy were again placed on top, but No 2 was not the Mittals, but the Munjals.

Then came the Mittals, followed by the Oberois, the Burmans, the Nandas, Analjit Singh, the Thapars, Onkar Kanwar and, finally, Dipak Puri.

This is, however, not the end of the story of the Punjabi community in Delhi. No sir, no way. There are innumerable other Punjabi entrepreneurs who have not only created wealth for themselves but also provided vital service to the people of Delhi.

Therefore, ET conducted a straw poll of the worth of unlisted companies run by Punjabi families and came up with a few more names that are mentioned with reverence.

The poll suggests that Mohan Exports owned by the Puri family is pretty large in terms of networth. They also own a controlling stake in Lord Krishna Bank.

They are one of the largest export houses in Delhi and their wealth is estimated at Rs 400 crore. Then there is Balraj Passi, the founder of the Pasco group. The group is one of the largest Telco and Maruti dealers in the North, with a turnover of around Rs 800 crore.

The Passi family's networth is estimated at around Rs 300 crore. And if we are talking about Punjabis, how can leave the bird and the bar behind? Much before Big Mac, Nirula's gave Delhiites their first hamburger. While the chain has seen better days, it's still regarded with respect (as competition) by MNCs with deep pockets.

Starting its operations in 1934, Nirula's has now spread its wings to 52 service outlets in 28 locations. Nirula's is a Rs 100 crore family-owned fast food and hospitality chain. And don't forget Mohan Meakins. The liquor company has revenues of more than Rs 500 crore and an estimated networth of Rs 400 crore.

Although this group also has seen better days, its Old Monk rum is still selling 6m cases annually and growing at 5% per annum.

In the consumer durables sector, Satish Kaura's Samtel Group, with an asset base of Rs 800 crore, enjoys a networth of around Rs 400 crore. The company is India's biggest colour picture tube maker with a revenue of Rs 1,050 crore.

Then there are the Kapurs of the Rs 450 crore Atlas Cycles. The networth of the family is around Rs 300 crore, including unlisted companies apart from Atlas Cycles.

Finally, there are quite a few rich Punjabi families in Delhi in the export business. The biggest among them is Orient Craft, a business started by the husband-wife duo of Sudhir Dhingra and Manju Dhingra in 1978.

The group has 17 garment manufacturing units and employs over 8,000 workers. It is a leading supplier to top clothes brands like Marks & Spencer, Gap, Banana Republic, Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren and Armani. The networth of the company, wholly owned by the Dhingras, is said to be around Rs 350 crore.

(The Economic Times)

My comments – Without trying to hurt non-Punjabi’s feelings it seems that the Punjabis are indeed a very enterprising, hard working and industrious group of people and non-Punjabis should not begrudge the Punjabis success but should learn to emulated them.

As a Gujrati Hindu I have no problem with the Success of the Indian Punjabis. This is perhaps due to the fact that :

  1. Biggest Indian Group : Amabais of Reliance - Hindu Gujaratis

  2. Second Biggest Indian Group : TATA Group - Parsee Gujaratis

  3. Third Biggest : Premji (Richest Indian) of WIPRO - Muslim Gujarati

Everybody have a nice day

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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *

  1. Second Biggest Indian Group : TATA Group - Parsee Gujaratis

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Since when did Parsis become Gujuratis? What brand of weed have you been smoking?

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*Originally posted by Kareem: *

Since when did Parsis become Gujuratis? What brand of weed have you been smoking?
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I am not sure what you intended, but I thought Parsees were the Zorastrian Persians who "emigrated" from Persia and settled in Gujarat a long time ago. They retained their identity but were "Gujratised" enough to be identifiably different from the Zorastrians of Iran (and hence they are Parsees while the Zorastrians of Iran are not Parsees). Most of the customs of the Parsees that are similar to the "Indians" clearly have a gujrati motif, and hence I think it is somewhat fair to call them gujratis as opposed to punjabis etc. In Pakistan, a parsee is likely to be from sindh and not from NWFP. Anyone has a better grasp, please enlighten.

The Parsis of India: Preservation of Identity in Bombay City (Brill's Indological Library, V. 17)
by Jesse S. Palsetia (2000)

History of The Parsis
by D. F. Karaka, Dosabhai Framji Karaka(2001)

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*Originally posted by OldLahori: *

I am not sure what you intended, but I thought Parsees were the Zorastrian Persians who "emigrated" from Persia and settled in Gujarat a long time ago. They retained their identity but were "Gujratised" enough to be identifiably different from the Zorastrians of Iran (and hence they are Parsees while the Zorastrians of Iran are not Parsees). Most of the customs of the Parsees that are similar to the "Indians" clearly have a gujrati motif, and hence I think it is somewhat fair to call them gujratis as opposed to punjabis etc. In Pakistan, a parsee is likely to be from sindh and not from NWFP. Anyone has a better grasp, please enlighten.
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Well I have to agree here with you.

punjaby talks

PUNJABY PUNJABY KAROO ,
THIS IS ONLY FAIR IF PUNJABY HAVE THERE RIGHT IN PAKISTAN ACCORDING TO THERE POPULATION,BUT ACCORDING TO POPULATION IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING IN HERE TO GET.
I THINK NOW WE SHOULD SEE THAT PROBLEM IS NOT PUNJABY IT IS THE UNITY BEYWEEN ARMY AND FUDAL CLASS + BEURO CRATES THEY ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS IN PAKISTAN

Kareem Ji

It is sad that a man of your Intelligence, Knowledge and Learning has to ‘’pretend to be ignorant’’ of Parsees who profess the Zoroastrian Faith.

About 1,400 years ago the Zoroastrian People of Iran had the privilege of receiving a large amount of bearers of Love and Peace.

However, the ungrateful Zoroastrians did not want to accept this Gift of Love and Peace and so a small number of them fled to India.

They landed in Gujarat and adopted most of the local customs and language. However, since Gujarat was totally Hindu in terms of religion these Zoroastrian arrivals were free to continue to practice their Zoroastrian Religion.

As the majority of the Zoroastrians who arrived in India 1350 years ago have Gujarati Roots – the surname Surti, my surname, is not only for Hindus and Parsees but also for Moslems – they are Gujarati by language and domicile, Parsee (from Persia) by Origin and Zoroastrian by Religion. The Parsees also adopted other Hindu surnames like Bhownagree (Bhavnagar), Dalal, Mehta, Patel, Surti (from Surat) etc.

I quote a small excerpt from the following Zoroastrian web site :

http://www.pemcom.demon.co.uk/queen/parsi.html

Suffering no further persecution in India, for centuries the Parsis made modest livings out of their farming and small trade. Gujerati became their mother tongue, though the Gujerati spoken by Parsis is an idiosyncratic variant of the language. This is highly typical of the Parsi tendency to adapt but without any surrender of their distinctiveness.

Thus I am sure that you will agree with me that the Parsees are also Gujaratis – after all 1400 years of domicile should be sufficient even in your eyes.

So Kareem Ji please stop smoking the weeds tht you are used to and start smoking THE WEED OF KNOWLEDGE.

Have a nice Day