Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
*November 2007

By Mattew Hickley*

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world’s only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The **Americans had no idea China’s fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was “as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik”** - a reference to the Soviet Union’s first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

*Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel *

**The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.**

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was “shadowing” the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its “backyard”.

The People’s Liberation Army Navy’s submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane’s Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

“It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan.”

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

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Wow!

Re: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise

next year i think there is a referendum in taiwan for independence. China is just sending a warning not to meddle during that time.

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  • Now thats what you call uninvited guest.....LOL*

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How come there is no mention of this among US media?

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This is not believable. The chinese may have stolen some technology from JPL ut don't think that wouldve enabled super quiet nuclear subs. To think that a sub can near visible range without being. detected is laughable.

There are two possible scenario of what happened (if at all it did):

  1. Us and Chinese interests collaborated. to gain dollars from naval program

  2. The sub had been in its popsition sleeping before the US fleet arrived and woke up after that.

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Not a big deal. This is peace time. Chinese should be happy that the sub wasn't sent to the bottom of the ocean by some trigger happy yank. Airborne and sonar detection was off (or extremely limited at that time.

The sub in question is a brown water diesel powered midget. It won't dare attacking a fleet strength group of ships.

It was (at most) a friendly jibe between two navies who are not at war.

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Now, how about Russia's unrivalled Topol-M and Iskander-M ICBMs, with their silo, vehicle, sea, air and submarine launch variants, and 3 independently manuverable hypersonic warheads -- a new era of arms race brought about by the PNAC's (pronounced P-Nazis).

I like the air version. Launched from a stealth bomber, they shoot up into space, where things travel at 250,000 mph (no friction), and re-enter the atmosphere above their target with evasive manuvers and decoys to avoid interception.

"SS-27 (Topol-M) ICBM and the SS-NX-30 (Bulava) SLBM pick up speed so fast upon launch that early warning systems monitoring the Earth’s surface from space do not have enough time to take appropriate countermeasures. He adds that these weapons are not “strictly ballistic” in their trajectories. They begin the midcourse phase ballistically, but can dive unexpectedly or maneuver to avoid destruction. In the terminal phase, both accelerate to hypersonic speeds that are beyond the limits of all operational and most future anti-missile defenses."

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I think, China's biggest weapon is the now 1.586 trillion dollars it is sitting on in it's foreign exchange reserves. I used to wonder why they wouldn't invest some part of it into high end weapons development, until I realized that 1.586 trillion dollars is a weapon in itself. Also, it's a politically useful tool. It's far more polite to threaten with dollar dumping than with war or else.

Yet, the best part of it is that you get to keep your cake and eat it too.