The present incursion of PLA elements into LAC is not something unprecedented. India did it in 1984 by incursion into Pakistani side in Siachen. The Indian army had the total support of Indian government. Pakistan made attempts to wrest back the area in 1987 when Pakistani commandos under Brig Pervez Musharraf launched an offensive. In 1999, Pakistan army’s para-military troops crossed into Line of Control (LoC) and occupied unmanned positions in the Kargil sector to use it as a bargaining chip to assert its position on Siachen issue. This move, a tactical in nature, was frustrated by Pakistani politicians for petty politics; to look as good boys in the eyes of Americans and Indians. This was the reason that politicians conspired to sack Musharraf and teach generals a lesson but the move was frustrated when army took over on October 12, 1999.
The latest development in Ladakh is not a venture of PLA alone; they have full support from their political leadership. India has its strategic doctrine of encircling its neighbors but China seems to have checkmated. They have declared that they do not recognize Indian claim on Kashmir and are standing with Pakistani people. It is ironic, though, that Pakistani leadership is not enthusiastic about it.
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Musharaff sold Pakistan to America by allowing them to be established inside pakistan itself and this started the problems we face today.
But in Kargil i give him credit he defeated India and put them in humiliating position where they had to beg Bill clinton to get them out of the hole they was in. Nawaz the thief sharif then sold pakistan down the river like all politicians usually do and pulled the pak army back from their position of domination.
I have to laugh when i see the BS on indian media when ever they mention kargil about how brave their commandos called Black Cats fought in Kargil, "black cats"? more like pussy cats 3000 of them was in body bags by the time this skirmish was over.
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black cat commandos fought in kargil? dude, they are kinda like SWAT, more a police hostage rescue team, nothing to do with the army. 
the thing with 99% of pakistanis is they will believe anything as long as it is putting india down. your interpretation of kargil events is equally hilarious.
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come on Einstein give us your mickey mouse version of events we are waiting with anticipation!
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lol.. i'll give you my version as soon as you explain how black cat commandos participated in kargil.
as for the original topic, china has its hands full in its non-chinese provinces. they can't do anything in ladakh which lays separated from real china by the vast buffer provided by the oppressed lands of outer mongolia, east turkestan and tibet. just today some 20 chinese cops were killed in east turkestan.
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You're website is not exactly the most recognisable nor displays credibility.
That said Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris first. Not Pakistan, Not India, Not China.
Chinese strategic play if true at all is not in Pakistans advantage. In fact it is worrying to see China has so much influence in Pakistan. The status quo serves both Pakistan and India well and any resolution should be through dialogue.
However, I agree our politicians are right pansies.
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^ the information about Kargil is blurry and varied depending on your point of view.
But the fact is the Pakistan army gave India a defeat killing thousands of its soldiers, it then withdrew from Kargil giving the BJP government in India a boost.
This shows this fight was politically motivated by outside forces i.e india and with the control of America. In conclusion the brave army of pakistan was used by others!
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lol.. i'll give you my version as soon as you explain how black cat commandos participated in kargil.
as for the original topic, china has its hands full in its non-chinese provinces. they can't do anything in ladakh which lays separated from real china by the vast buffer provided by the oppressed lands of outer mongolia, east turkestan and tibet. just today some 20 chinese cops were killed in east turkestan.
but reality is that chinese troops are in laddakh and they are not ready to retreat..
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Yuyutsu has been deployed. Holding back the big guns.
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^ the information about Kargil is blurry and varied depending on your point of view.
But the fact is the Pakistan army gave India a defeat killing thousands of its soldiers, it then withdrew from Kargil giving the BJP government in India a boost.
This shows this fight was politically motivated by outside forces i.e india and with the control of America. In conclusion the brave army of pakistan was used by others!
I stopped reading after "the Pakistan army gave India a defeat"... Honestly what did Pakistan gain after the defeat. Why did it have to withdraw. All these are logical questions.. But then logic and common sense is not common. So carry on friend.
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Who defeated whom in Kargil? Plz go :BiB: for some true answers...and let the truth win irrespective of your nationality and personal prejudice.
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Kashmir doesn't want Indian rule
the Chinese would annihilate the Indians if they even tried to fight them.
Only in bollywood movies will you see the vegetarian eating Indian military actually look so tough hehe
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So 1971 was a bollywood movie I suppose...
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Musharaff sold Pakistan to America by allowing them to be established inside pakistan itself and this started the problems we face today.
But in Kargil i give him credit he defeated India and put them in humiliating position where they had to beg Bill clinton to get them out of the hole they was in. Nawaz the thief sharif then sold pakistan down the river like all politicians usually do and pulled the pak army back from their position of domination.
I have to laugh when i see the BS on indian media when ever they mention kargil about how brave their commandos called Black Cats fought in Kargil, "black cats"? more like pussy cats 3000 of them was in body bags by the time this skirmish was over.
how delusional must one be to think that the pakistani army had any chance of winning a war like kargil? i am amazed at how often pakistanis cite this fantasy of "political pressure" from bill clinton as being the reason why pakistan lost the war. why does one need any explanation other than the fact that it was a harebrained plan executed by one army against a much larger and more powerful army. the outcome is common sense. why would bill clinton be required to explain defeat?
do people like rommel actually believe that today the pakistani army would be currently occupying various peaks in kargil sector if not for bill clinton? in what universe is that a sane belief? truly mind-boggling stuff.
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how delusional must one be to think that the pakistani army had any chance of winning a war like kargil? i am amazed at how often pakistanis cite this fantasy of "political pressure" from bill clinton as being the reason why pakistan lost the war. why does one need any explanation other than the fact that it was a harebrained plan executed by one army against a much larger and more powerful army. the outcome is common sense. why would bill clinton be required to explain defeat?
do people like rommel actually believe that today the pakistani army would be currently occupying various peaks in kargil sector if not for bill clinton? in what universe is that a sane belief? truly mind-boggling stuff.
Yes, there are people who believe that.
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And some believe in the tooth fairy also!
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Unfortunately, certain compatriots of mine are misguided majorly due to misguided teaching.
As some posters have correctly stated Kargil way (if it was in fact a war) was cruelly planned and embarrassingly executed. I can understand the strategic benefit that holding a peak can bring but to be fair I believe the drawbacks are greater than the benefits.
In my opinion an army purely made of numbers is exactly just that and nothing more. An important aspect of military warfare depends on the ability and technical skills of members of the forces. For example, If we take Israel who without a doubt has the strongest military in the middle east as a rather small force relatively to its counterparts. It relies on technical aspects as well as have an army that is brilliantly trained. So, I think pure numbers is a narrow minded thought. That said the Russians have always had a policy ever since WW1 so literally throw out soldier after soldier until the enemy is defeated. Not a fan of this philosophy in particularly.
The truth is ever since both countries developed nuclear weapons and were able to miniaturise these weapons therefore enabling them to attach them onto missiles both India and Pakistan knew they could quite easily destroy each other. Neither country would risk total destruction of their country and defeats the purpose of actually having nuclear weapons. It's all a game. Game Theory at its best.
Pakistan needs to change it's military strategy as it is unsustainable in the long run and has led to losing every war. We can't directly compete with India therefore what ever they do we have to do better with our limited resources. A bullet fired from a AK-47 does the exact same thing as a bullet fired from a M16 assault rifle. Competing economically is what is important and I wish both countries resolved their differences and exchanged bullets for more business friendly items like Onions, or even better Indian Mangoes (best ever!).
To conclude right now both countries have the ability to literally wipe each other out. Therefore, this draw of sorts is a win-win situation for both countries. (Yes, this is a basic outlook and there are many other factors but I hope you get the point)
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^ wise words. No one wins any war. Because war is meaningless. The main people who bear the brunt? The jawans in the frontlines. May God bless the jawans on both sides.
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do people like rommel actually believe that today the pakistani army would be currently occupying various peaks in kargil sector if not for bill clinton?
india is holding it at siachin....right?
anyway lets not make it another indo-pak bashing match...lets look at facts....first 4 weeks are toughest when you intrude especially in a mountainous terrain. If you can survive that time period and all air strikes and make permanent posts with a well established supply-chain, you can prevail.....it is extremely hard to dislodge permanent posts on a steep mountainous terrain especially if your forces posses higher altitude.... ....and yes you need your air force to shelter you fully in first 4 weeks....Pakistanis had no such plans as they were claiming these are mujahadins not pak army..so their plan was meant to be a failure from day one....had they done what indians did at siachin (use full air force with a full division with an intact and protected supply chain), yes pak forces may very well be still there.....nothing against indian army, it is the nature of mountainous war..first mover advantage is almost unassailable...