China to sign N-deal with India

suprise, suprise

china makes an unexpected move. whats plan b?

China to sign US-like N-deal with India

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\21\story_21-11-2006_pg1_1

WASHINGTON: China and India are poised to sign a civilian nuclear cooperation deal, similar to the recent agreement between the US and India, during President Hu Jintao’s four-day state visit to India beginning this Monday, according to a report in Boston Globe.

Datelined Beijing, the report quoting Indian officials says the deal would foster the exchange and purchase of nuclear technology between the two states. An announcement to this effect is expected to be included in a joint statement at the end of the Hu visit on Thursday.

Chinese nuclear specialists have been in India conducting meetings with Indian counterparts, one of the officials said. While the exact terms of the potential China-India nuclear agreement have not been finalised, they are expected to be similar to the terms of the civilian nuclear agreement India concluded with the United States on July 18, 2005. And while that deal is likely to be amended in the coming months in ways that may not be acceptable to India, in China’s case no such hurdles should exist.

Over the last year, the US and China have been trying to build closer ties with India, according to Sun Shihai, deputy director of the Institute for Asia Pacific Studies at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing.

He said, “The US always said it wants to use India to balance China. China feels it needs to engage India more (and) develop some kind of Russia-China-India cooperation. So there is some kind of competition happening.” Initially, China had criticised the Indo-US deal, saying it violated international non-proliferation principles. But Sun said Hu persisted in repairing ties with India, and an official in New Delhi knowledgeable about the nuclear negotiations with China, said the nuclear deal would largely be the fruit of Hu’s efforts.

The same official said, “We had been talking to the Chinese for a while but China’s military and foreign and defence ministries had all been against the deal. Hu and the Communist Party were the ones pushing it through, and they seem to have taken control of China’s India policy.” On the Indian side, the deal is said to have been brokered by Mayankote Kelath Narayanan, Singh’s national security adviser.

According to the Boston Globe, “Another factor is that just as China apparently hopes its warming ties with India will draw India away from the US, India hopes closer relations with China will dilute Beijing’s close relationship with Pakistan. Over the last two years, China had indeed cooled ties with Pakistan. While Hu is also expected to sign nuclear agreements with Pakistan, ‘the Pakistanis will get much less than what they want,’ an Indian official said.”

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India and China agreed yesterday to boost trade and renew efforts to resolve their border dispute, saying there was enough room for the Asian giants to grow together and remain sen-sitive to each other’s concerns. China-India trade is expected to reach $20 billion this year and plan to reach 40 billion by 2010.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1562321,00.html

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/22/content_5363650.htm

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im all for improved relations in south east asia, afterall the area does need massive improvement. what does concern me is if pakistan start to lose friends because of indias economic rise. pakistan is also doing well, but the sheer size of indias potential market is a lure for other countries to have better relations with india then pakistan. obviously leading to an unhealthy military advantage in the future.
its unlikely for india to allow for kashmir issues to be settled within this environment. to have the worlds current and next superpower vying for indias affection is not good news for pakistan. i hope the initial report under estimated chinas friendship with pak and chinas will to proclaim its states currently held by india because pakistan/india issues will always remain.

heres an update on initial story, and it seems it was just rumours

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\22\story_22-11-2006_pg7_3

India-China N-accord report unconfirmed
By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: No confirmation is available here of the report that India and China are going to announce a nuclear cooperation deal similar to the one signed between India and the US.

Michael Krepon, founding president of the Stimson Centre, told Daily Times, “This doesn’t add up for me. Would expect something like this in Pakistan, not India.”

A source in New Delhi also pooh-poohed the report that first appeared in Boston Globe from its Beijing correspondent on Monday and in this newspaper a day later.

According to the New York Times, President Hu Jintao’s visit to India is “heavier on symbolism than on substantive new agreements” and “there was no sign of a significant breakthrough in any of the key areas of conflict, including border disputes, bilateral relations with Pakistan and the United States and tension over Tibet. Nor was there any progress on the creation of a free trade agreement.”

The newspaper noted that the “fragile nature” of India-China relations was exposed once again just days before the Hu visit when China’s ambassador to India reiterated Beijing’s claim to the north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh. The Indian foreign minister, Pranab Mukherjee, responded that the state was an “integral and inalienable part of India”.

The two sides also pledged to cooperate in civilian nuclear energy but, according to the New York Times dispatch from New Delhi, there was nothing in the joint statement to suggest that China had decided to support the US-India deal on New Delhi’s nuclear programme, or to back a proposal to change of rules at the Nuclear Suppliers Group to allow India access to the heavily-regulated market in nuclear fuel and technology

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How will Pakistan lose a friend if China boosts trade with India?

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nobody will loose anything.

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probably because india will pressure china not to sell arms, or give financial and economical assisstence to pakistan or risk losing india as a friend

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:hehe: ok
Pakistan is China’s gateway to the Mid-east & the Muslim world… and the oil.

Anyways.. good news for both China & India (or atleast over the table :slight_smile: )

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Selling weapons gives China money. Why will they not sell to Pakistan? They will sell to both India and Pakistan.

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maybe because the money they make from weapon sales pales in comparison to the money they can make by not selling weapons to pakistan and gaining india as a friend

this is bad news for pakistan

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They mean business India & PaK should learn something form them and should take steps to foster Indo Pak trade

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its more probable to be all about the US-China powerstruggle. its common knowledge that the US always planned to 'balance' china using india. if they further take up the US offer, you can expect pakistan to be lifted to new heights by china.

india really has three choices of their own
1. be US pup,
2. be chinas pup, in the process bargain for arms embargo to pakistan
3. remain undecided and build no strategic partnership

the US has massive influence on delhi and china are trying to cut this. this is the start of something new which could actually lead to all sorts of trouble

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I doubt it.

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china filling pakistan's beggar bowl has been worthwhile for them...it has served some minor geopolitical interests while incurring minimal opportunity cost.

unfortunately for pakistan, this opportunity cost has started to rise and will continue to do so in the foreseeable future.

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^ Wow! look who is talking about begging bowls, bhookas and nangas of the planet.

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Bhai logo,

China is changing and so is India. Both are hungry for business.

Learn something from the changing ecomonic scenario in Asia.

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^^ It has nothing to do with business. Its a political move.

Learn something from the changing political scenario in Asia.

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Sometimes I think the Chinese are just playing Pakistan for Chumps...
We are after all a client state half the time... Either begging the Americans or the Chinese. Rather pathetic. Pakistan will have to get its act together so it no longer has to depnd on hand outs.

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You have hit the nail on the head.

Pakistan does have natural resources and skilled people to improve the lot of this society. What is needed is a concerted effort by broad minded people to harness their energy in the right direction.

In India "Right to Information Act" is giving nightmares to corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. Results are for everybody to see. Media in India is also playing a proactive role in bringing these crooks under spotlight. Remember Sting operations carried out by Tarun Tejpal and his team!!

Why don't people in Pakistan start things like that. After all problems you face are similar to what we face. Poverty, illiteracy, corruption, shady defense deal et al.

It seems true that US wants to put brakes on the increasing influence of China but relations between US India have taken a new dimension not because of creating a balance of power but because of India's growing economy, robust banking system, huge middle class and negligible cases of patent or copyright infringments unlike Chinese who believe that 'Copyright" is their birth 'right to copy'. Needless to mention that scores of American companies have started R&D facilities for many of their products in India and it is not a back office job like one sees in many software companies or call centres. Balance of power would probably be a byproduct of it.

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Indias economic progress and vast market have made Americans and other come knocking on Indias door. Pakistan lacks the same economic progress (has some but its negated by the war on terror) and thus intrest is limited to pressuring Islamabad to control religous fanatics. Thus, Pakistan has to beg other countires who see no intest in it, while Indians no longer need the begging bowl since they are able to attract people to them.
The fact that Pakistan is a Muslim country make it very difficult to get investment, except from some other Muslim countries.

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It would attract investment from other Muslim countries but how many of them ?.

Kamal Ata Turk had a foresight when he wiped out the fundamentalist mindset from his country. He changed even the script of the language used in Turkey!. Economic growth of Turkey is much better than other Islamic countries.

Sheikhs in Middle-East will survive so long they have oil. Natural resources can a feed a country till they last. Why is entire Africa so poor inspite of huge mineral wealth...no knowledge creation.

What is needed is knowledge creation and continous updation and creating it for the benefit of the society.

Religion should not be mixed with business and day to day life..that's precisely the problem in Pakistan as I see it.

Ever thought of rechristening Pakistan as 'Democratic or Peoples' Republic of Pakistan' and adhering to its principles. This was probably the philosophy of Mr. Jinnah.

Who knows it may change the fortunes of this country.

regards

DS Pathania