The term non-state actors is laughable at best. Yes it may be OK to use it a few times as part of diplomatic niceties. But dwelling on this fraud on a continuous basis is just pathetic.
In reality there is no “non-state actor” when it comes to terrorism. Terrorists have to use a piece of land to plan, prepare, and launch their heinous attacks. And whoever owns that piece of land “owns” the terrorists as well. Wether he is a willing owner or not, that’s a separate story.
If our mosques are being used to recruit the militants, and our madrassahs are used to motivate them, and our areas FATA and Kashmir is used for their training, then by all measures the militants are Pakistanis. That baby is ours through and through.
They may be born in Egypt, Saudi, or Afghanistan, or they may have been born in Punjab. Regardless of their place of birth, but as long as they fester within our borders then we cannot call them non-state.
If we don’t remove them from our our soil, then we are in collusion no matter what we say.
So it is time to stop the use of this charade called “non-state” actors.
I think it's time for people like to you stop abusing the beautiful word Jihad by calling these people "jihadis"... and people should look beyond what is presented, just by looking at the cover of a book you can't judge a people.
I think it's time for people like to you stop abusing the beautiful word Jihad by calling these people "jihadis"... and people should look beyond what is presented, just by looking at the cover of a book you can't judge a people.
Read again bro. Jihad or Jihadi wasn't mentioned even a single time.
Why are you trying to hijack the thread?
We are discussing the term "non-state actors". Do you have anything to say about it?
I think either Condi or McCain said this well recently -
If a country cannot control part of its territory it has no right to assert sovereignty in that area.
Similarly if a country cannot prevent itself being used for planning and training terror attacks, it is useless for it to take offence if US or India or Israel - whoever the affected party is - come in to fix it
I think either Condi or McCain said this well recently -
If a country cannot control part of its territory it has no right to assert sovereignty in that area.
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Navy yara, you don't have to quote USA to explain a simple concept like borders and states.
........Similarly if a country cannot prevent itself being used for planning and training terror attacks, it is useless for it to take offence if US or India or Israel - whoever the affected party is - come in to fix it
Now here is a bit of flatulence yara. USA is not coming to fix anything in Pakistan. For the last 7 years they are relying on Pakistan to fix it. USA is much more sane compared to the super-power wanna-be India.
And forget about India coming in Pakistan either. We all will surely get more messed up and that's precisely what Jihadis want. More anarchy.
So calm down and let Pakistan handle this.
Funny you brought in Israel's name to rile some fundoos on our side. Why do you still have to do this flame baiting?
We are mourning the loss of 171 innocent lives. We in Pakistan are also going after LeT. So Indians must do their part to play nicely both in Kashmir and in Afghanistan.
It is time you guys quit sleeping with Northern Alliance. They make funny statements about Pak-Afghan border. And Indian collusion in that attitude doesn't bode well for the region. If you want to pick up proxies, then Indian should not cry momma if Pakistan copies your behavior.
While we look in our gariban, India too should do some introspection. It is time to figure out why the heck both of us created conditions that have become ripe for terrorists and thus deadly for innocent civilians.
Burqaposhx , question for you.
If some sibling of yours commits a crime do you give right to the government to arrest the whole family and then demolish your home ?
Navy7Army0:
Using the same logic you used , so the country US or India or Israel which cannot save itself from terror attacks that country should surrender to terrorists , right ?
Burqaposhx , question for you.
If some sibling of yours commits a crime do you give right to the government to arrest the whole family and then demolish your home ?
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And your point is????????????????
p.s. Has Pak government demolished Qasab's house in Faridkot?
p.s. Has Pak government demolished Qasab's house in Faridkot?
Now you are talking.
You said:
"In reality there is no "non-state actor" when it comes to terrorism. Terrorists have to use a piece of land to plan, prepare, and launch their heinous attacks. And whoever owns that piece of land "owns" the terrorists as well. Wether he is a willing owner or not, that's a separate story. "
So if your dad owns the home he owns the crimes of your sibling brother , you own the crimes of your brother. Right ?
The demolishion analogy I used because , if non-state actors act on their own , then the state cannot be held responsible but could be asked to co-operate catch the culprit. Nobody has the right to launch any kind of attacks on the prmise that since your land was used you are responsible for the crimes committted.
burqaposhx - Israel because Jews were targetted and killed.
For past 7 years yes Pakistan has been requested, cajoled, bribed and threatened but they are not able to. therefore next step is direct action. USA has already started that which is why you see weekly ritual of drone attack, Pakistan protest and then nothing. There was lot of pressure on India govt to act and act fast (the election performance of Congress has reduced that a bit I think) - so Pakistan better watch out. The limits are being reached.
Fobby - you are mixing up criminals and victims. Pakistan is the one that housed and trained the terrorists. They are the one out of control.
Fobby - you are mixing up criminals and victims. Pakistan is the one that housed and trained the terrorists. They are the one out of control.
You are mixed up about your own logic.
Your logic is it is useless for it to take offence if US or India or Israel - whoever the affected party is - come in to fix it.
So same logic can be applied to the country which cannot save itself from becoming the victim of these plans and attacks.
I am not an advocate of those terrorist I am trying to instill in you the right kind of mindset.
Just blaming game does not work. You have to look at a bigger picture.
I am also talking about terrorists. Pakistan is itself victim of those trained terrorists which Pakistan trained on behalf of someone who disowns them and blames Pakistan for the mess created by that someone.
burqaposhx - Israel because Jews were targetted and killed.
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NAVY yara. Israel has not said a single word and you are becoming prai ki shadi main Abdullah diwana.
Let's deal with Israel directly if there any issues. Why an Indian have to be the go between?
......for past 7 years yes Pakistan has been requested, cajoled, bribed and threatened ....
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We too have requested, cajoled and bribed India not to mess up things in Kashmir and Afghanistan. We too are still requesting not to put chokehold on our rivers. Are the Indians listening? Heck no!
Anyways, It is not good to start arguments during the 40 day period of mourning. At least respect the souls of the victims. OK?
You do your introspection, and let's do ours. In the mean time let's not start flame wars on the puny GS forum.
^ burqaposh, if such equivocation gives you some peace of mind, enjoy. The rest of the world has spoken otherwise and quite clearly.
Can't wait 40 days or even 4 days during which time evidence and traces will disappear. Immediate action and threats are as we are finding, beginning to work
The term non-state actors is laughable at best. Yes it may be OK to use it a few times as part of diplomatic niceties. But dwelling on this fraud on a continuous basis is just pathetic.
Did you also laugh at "Enemy combatant"?
Not sure if anyone can laugh at the fate of those Jihadis. But that would be a separate thread. Here is a suggestion for the subject line "Charade of Jihad, and POW wanna-be Jihadis".