Re: Changing Pakistan's national language?
Modernization does not equal to Westernization ! We can modernize ourselves with all the latest technologies and enlightened social ideas with out adopting Western language! China, Japan, Korea, and many others have done it successfully!
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how about chinese and korean? that way there would be no time lost in translating the weapons manuals..
Re: Changing Pakistan’s national language?
Farsi and Dari are almost the same language (they are dialects). Languages are not secular/religious/sectarian, they are just the means of communication. Dari/Farsi has always been spoken in Pakistan region in most of the pre-British era of Pakistan… and they were spoken by all religions/sects (even Ranjit Singh’s Sikh kingdom, etc)… including long before Islam’s birth.. and of course exclusively during Muslim rule. Today Dari/Farsi is spoken by various ethnic groups in Afghanistan, Iran, and Central Asia. It is time to revive this natural language of pakistan.
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queer,
I think we had the same problem,..as you guyz had with russian language,..therefore, nothing to be excited about here buddy…
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Well,…lets see what other people think…
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P4E and SK,
interesting - i suggest you start using iodized salt atleast from now on. you talk about 6000 years of pakistan now 
tell you what - let’s change Darwin’s theory also and make the ape the first pakistani! now r u happy?:biggthumb
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^ The poor idiot posts again with nothing substantial in his post. Now his small brain and his simple minded comments are put on for entertainment for the GS community.
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there is no substance simply because we're talking about pakistan before it came about. A big zero that's all it was!
looking at you guys argue this. I can understand how you guys go about thunking up kargil type of idiocies as some sort of great military strategies!
Don Quixote must be your fav god!
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many labguages dont have historical basis, does not mean we revivie some archaic dying language because that was once spoken there. lets just revive latin then and get rid of modern langiages that replaced it
versus cultural invasion from iran, i think not.
and farsi is the mother tongue of how many Pakistanis that you want ti impose it on others?
would people forget the language? how can u make umpteen million ppl forget urdu…
so then it will create identity crises between pakistan and iran.. not a real good switch there
versus being iran-isized?
if farsi was being spoken and the same political climate existed on both sides of the pond, the separation would have taken place regardless.
the list may go on and on, but it will have no substance to it. how much farsi literature is being written in pakistan, how many farsi poets are there in Pakistan, how many Tv shows or magazines are in farsi, how many people know farsi…
The one good thign about this debate is, that what you are saying will never happen 
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Urdu has no basis whatsoever.. and yes if necessary we can revive a language… the Israelis did it with Hebrew… for the sake of a stronger national identity and fairness. Any way, Dari/Farsi is far from being dead and is thriving in Iran-Afghanistan-CentralAsia, just like how it used to thrive in Pakistan region before the British occupation.
Farsi/Dari is not only spoken in Iran. Farsi/Dari is also spoken in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and parts of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. Dari/Farsi language is not the mother-tongue of any single ethnic group. It is spoken by Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Azeris, Persians, Kurds, Baluchs, Pashtuns, Hazaras, etc. in Iran-Afghanistan-CAsia region. Before the extermination of Farsi/Dari in Pakistan region by the British, it was spoken by educated Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Kashmiris and Baluchs, and remained mostly the official language in the region. Pakistan is culturally, historically and racially closer to Afghanistan-CentralAsia-Iran than with India! Most of Pakistani ancestors are derived from the proto-Iranians (ethnicity), i.e. Aryans, Scythians, Parthians, Kushans, Hephthalites, Iranianized Turks/Mughals, etc. were all ethnically Iranians.
For your other points, refer to the above two points…
Tell me how many people in Pakistan region knew Urdu before the British occupation? NONE! How many people in Pakistan region knew Urdu before Pakistan’s creation (1947)? Very very few (the few educated under British system/rule)! So in a few years since 1947 Urdu started to spread as Pakistan’s national language through schools, media (tv,radio,print,etc), and govt. So why not do the same with Dari/Farsi? As I said before: Changing the national language from Urdu to Dari/Persian is very possible. The key here is educating the masses and influencing the ruling elite about the urgent nature of this issue for our long term survival. If Israel can resurrect the extinct Hebrew language and successfully make it as their national language in a few years, then Dari/Farsi will be much more easier in Pakistan. The benefits from this change greatly outweighs the temporary sacrifices we would have to make during the transition. Plus Urdu and Dari/Persian do have a little commonality, and with today’s improved technological tools, this will even more smoother. Late is better than never!
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On a side note, Punjab is the only province in Pakistan (with almost 62% of total Pakistani Population) which has no Punjabi language classes in any of its schools at any level. Its only thought at university level in Punajb. Almost 50% Pakistanis are deprived from learning of their native language ie Punajbi. Whereas the rest of provinces start teaching their native languages (Sindhi, Pushto and Blouchi) from primary schools level.
I think it would serve Pakistan much better if Punabi is made the native language of Punjab and not Urdu. It will not make Punabis any less Pakistanis. We can always decide about the national language later. Thank you.
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pakistan4ever
thee truth is that there is no logical reason to change the language, if people want to learn the language its fine, but then again if people have to learn a second langauge I think we will be better served if more people learnt english.
The energu and effort that would be spent chasing this little flight of fanatsy can be spent doing other more meaningful things.
and heck, if the goal is some sort of unity and all, why not go with arabic... not to say that the language has brought people any closer there.
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abay. native language ya national/provincial language
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another idiotic post from the GS idiot. Please try again, loser.
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As I said national language issue can be resolved later lets fix the problem at hand and make Punjabi the native Language of Punjab rather than urdu.
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but a native language is not official, its native... know what i mean mate
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ohh ok, so let make it the official language of Punjab then, atleast it would be taught in the schools this way.
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isnt the official language english everywhere? it can be the provincial langauge, just like urdu is the national language, while english stays as the official language.
there will be some discomfort fopr ppl speking saraiki and other languages in the province, but they can declare zilaa languages or hey even chuk languages, and for some areas in teh cities the local mohalla language
gali galoch, mohahlla tongue of lalukhet :D
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Let me just put it this way, of the total Punjabi population (62%) of Pakistan only 50% speak Punjabi the rest 12% from Punjab speak different languages like Saraiki etc. So on national level 50% of the Pakistani population is deprived of learning thier native language at school level, and is only taught Urdu at primary level. That’s like enforcing a language on a whole set of population on the expense of their native language. How fair is that?
With in the next 20 years or so who ever had gone to school in Punjab would not be able to write or speak Punjabi on the expense of Urdu. Urdu might gain some numbers on national level when more and more Punjabis would be confused about what is their native language. Punjabi, which, they hardly write-speak, or Urdu which they were taught from day one in their schools. I wish Punjabis would realize that. Being a victim if this policy, I am ashamed of not being able to write or speak Punjabi with my elders since I lack proper vocabulary, and working knowledge of Punjabi, and the same policy still exists in Punjab.
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Hahaha salaam.. those of you on the posts supporting arabic/persian must check their ancestry… lol.. This generation-x Pakistanis seem to be obsessed with their racial origins.. all they want others is to accept them as “white”. I guess ONLY punjabi should be the national language.. most of the acheievers - politicians/armymen/singers/sportsperson were punjabis.. it is the native language of more than 50% of the population.. Urdu is a sick language spoken by sick ppl migrated from banks of some river where cattles are washed.. Urdu is really annoying and sounds irritating.. It was just a failed attempt by likes of liaqat to impose the *******ized lucknavi culture on us, the punjabis.. it just makes sense to embrace punjabi as national language.. I don’t speak Persian or Arabic? why should I? why should I dilute my punjabi identity..