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Generals in Turkey don’t have as much power as they do in Pakistan. In Turkey, there is a constant struggle for power between the Judiciary, the elected Government and the Army. While the Army may have the upper hand, it is not completely dominant.
Anyways, whoever is in control seems to have done a very good job.
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If you consider power that can remove democratically elected Prime Minister (Islamic oriented PM that is) , “little power”, then there is nothing anyone can say.
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If I remember right the PM also removed a dozen senior generals last year. That’s like sacking all Corp Commanders in Pakistan. Any PM here got the guts to do it?
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Its the PM of ARMY’s liking ..so he can do this. I bet had Necmettin Erbakan done it, he would have been kicked out sooner than he was.
Anyways. last thing we need in our country is secular revolution. (btw, there is no true secular country in the world). All we need is to get rid of extremism, education and swift and visible justice
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point taken.
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. Do tell me what gives you the right to call the views of real Pakistani’s tragic?
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I dont agree that 90% of Pakistanis are deeply religious. Nor do i agree that a secular government means economic development. That argument as lame as those saying that implement a religious code and everything will take care of itself.
There are 50 secular countries that are in a worse mess than Pakistan.
Pakistais are not deeply religious but they are not secular lot either. The system should respect their beleifs and their culture. Any attempt at imposing secularism upon them will only create more problems.
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The current state of this country gives me that right.
Anyways, its a never ending discussion. You can choose to accept that countries like the US and UK are ahead of us. Or you can continue to insist that a religious model like Iran or Saudi Arabia will work. As I said earlier, To Each His Own.
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As much as I would like to agree and point the problem other ways, I will disagree with you. The problem in Pakistan is you, me and everyone out there. We can’t say ‘the problem is ruling elite’ and get away with it. Who elected the ruling elite? You and me. When they do the wrongs, do we hold them accountable? No, even in next election we vote for them again. So brother, the problem is you and me. We need to correct ourselves, we need to start holding these ‘ruling elites’ accountable for each and every action. We need to stop paying bribes, can we do that? Do we have patience to go through proper trial for anything? Are we ready to pay full electricity bill and not use kunda? The list is long for us to correct ourselves before we start blaming ‘ruling elite’.
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Were talking about Pakistan here. Remember the huge uproar when Musharraf took out the name Islamic Republic from the passports? Of course secularism is the way to go but when you got mullahs everywhere then its close to impossible.
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I’m not saying it will be easy. But if we can put Mullah’s everywhere, we can take them out. As always, awareness is the key. And a strong leader. The average Pakistani doesn’t know what’s good for him as shown by his voting patterns.
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Our only hope is from you people grown up abroad in some better involvement.
We all here are trapped in our corrupt past.
Only way to save this country is to start again . Give pardon to all of us if we are ready to surrender.
Remember the original name of Pakistan.
God given state of Pakistan
مملکت خدا داد پاکستان
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Would it be possible for Pakistan to bury the hatchet with India (at least for 15 to 20 years?)
That way Pakistan (and India too) can concentrate on their Economy, education and health.
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why Turkey? why not Malaysian?
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Yes there is no happy soul in Pakistan, to me, it is logical to blame the ruling elite as they were elected ( whenever elected) to provide relief to the poor but instead they did more looting then the military dictators did!!!
it is us the people who need to learn that these people who are land-lords, industrialists, generals they cannot solve our problems.. as a matter of fact i really doubt that they even know our problems… so lets not look at them any more.. lets not get fooled by them… lets not praise them lets not vote for them… lets not kill and fight in their name…
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u hit the nail right bro… that is what i am trying to say.. lets create awareness amoung the people of Pakistan… lets use our friends and social networks to spread the message
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that is what i am saying, i’ve blamed the ruling elite ( most of the time voted by us) because we voted them to solve our problems not to increase them… we voted them for better future not for the worst one!!! and that is the reason i have not said single word to fix the current political leadership… my emphasis is on you and me.. we need to elect the right one…
In any society when breaking law, stealing and bribing is symbol of power and member of high society then it is hard to convince anyone to pay his bills perform his duties… do u agree on this point?
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we need not to be allergic to the word Islamic… nor does we need to abandon Mullas.. secular people are equally funny… we need to be tolerant towards each other…
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Today I saw a program at Sama Tv .
Faisla Aap Ka
Must see it . A perfect talk on this issue.
must see it.
Faisala Ap Ka – 4 September 2010