Centcom: Bonn Conference

We are all witnessing the aftermath of an incident that is thoroughly testing the complex relationship between Pakistan and the United States. There have been instances before which have spread enough misunderstanding and hostility among the two nations; yet the leadership of both countries have in the end remained committed to working through and resolving these problems. Reason for this lies in the fundamental fact that both countries know what is at stake. We both realize the dire need to work together because peace and stability in Afghanistan are in the national interest of Pakistan, and vice versa. The Bonn Conference is a golden opportunity for Pakistan and Afghanistan to bring their concerns, regarding insurgencies and peace negotiations, to the table and work towards a solution. The future of Afghanistan is of vital importance to all its neighbors. Hence, we, the Afghan government, and even Pakistan have all acknowledged that lasting peace in Afghanistan cannot be achieved without the help of Pakistan. We understand and fully recognize the frustration and anger felt by the Pakistani people and government. However, we cannot help wondering how this decision would benefit the national interests of Pakistan. If Pakistan believes that bringing peace to Afghanistan is good and necessary for Pakistan’s sake, wouldn’t a boycott of the conference prove counterproductive, since peace negotiations with the Taliban is an issue that Pakistan has to deal with in the future?

MAJ Nevers,
DET - U.S. Central Command
www.centcom.mil

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You guys really need to get your chopper pilots some glasses.

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Centcom, when are you going to stop training and arming TTP terrorists?

Will it be before or after 2014?

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Okay hold on the TTP our own Pakistanis. There is no evidence the US is arming or supporting them. Yes logically an insurgency need internal and external support. They do have internal support in Pakistan. Mainly the Islamic parties. External most likely as well. But the Government and Military has always stated it is Indian support and nothing else.

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He is always wiping the dust aff turnips.

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If it is only in the interest of Afghanistan's neighbours, than exactly what forces you to spend over $200,000 every second in Afghanistan? :@:

That's correct. Remaining out of Bonn will not benefit our national interest, just as siding with you did not help us in any way! Allow me to say that the US is part of the problem more than anyone else.

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Knowing the history of CIA, and the dirty games they have played all over the world you should know better, :)

Generally when several countries are working to achieve a common goal, they join their forces and efforts.

So does this really sound exotic? India, US, Afghanistan training, protecting TTP or BLA etc.

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You are right centcom, it does not matter if Pakistani soldiers were killed only days ago by their allies? It also does not matter if Pakistani sovereignty is violated day in and out, but yes afghanistans sovereignty matters.

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Yes, but Pakistani's always blame US/Jews for their own failings.

A 100% Pakistani terrorist group can kill thousands, yet people will never blame any Pakistani, just USA.

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Since Pakistan wants US/NATO out of the region, wouldn't it make more sense for Pak to attend peace conferences such as the Bonn one and quickly bring peace to the region, so US/NATO leave?

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Rd, Have you read the history of Iraq and the militias the americans raised and funded there to curb the militancy American forces were facing there?

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Peace and military operations don't go side by side. Unless the Americans clear their priorities peace won't come to the region. The Americans want Pakistani to conduct operation against the haqqanis and also help bring them to the negotiation table. How can both true at the same time?

They want Pakistan to carry our operations against haqqanis. On the other hand they are not concerned about terrorist safe havens they have allowed to flourish in eastern Afghanistan (their inaction or indifference to the TTP forces many people to think that the Americans support them). The American drone attacks keep on conducting surveillance in those areas but never have the TTP been attacked, even when the Pakistani army posts used to be attacked by TTP (in the hundreds) the Americans did nothing.

And now they are attacking Pakistani border posts.

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Centcomm just preaches and then runs away.

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I am fine what Mods saying that they have right to put their opinions too for a discuss BUT that CENT!! just come and paste a story and vanished till create a new story yes we are in favor of free speach but wrong propeganda using net or media is just a usual try to brainwashed weak minds, another day I was discussing that issues with one of my ammerican friend, he just simply appolgy first for the lost of lives and was agreed to rethink about their roles in peace making efforts thou he knew what they getting not peace but an anger and hate against US nation.

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By any means our anger is valid. What if Pakistani chopper would have attacked and killed 28 NATO. Do you have any idea what repercussions might have been on us? Anyway, for now your military needs to vacate bases and i sincerely hope Pakistani govt. close down Nato supply route for good.

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^ 28 is a very big number even if it was was 1-2 the Americans would have created chaos.

First of all the government should try to get back our sovereignty, because aligning themselves closely is alienating the govt from their own people.

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Hillary Clinton called gillani today for Bonn conference but he has refused to her.

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Karzai can talk to the taleban directly no one’s stopping him, he has the help of NATO/ISAF forces…American spies are also present in Pakistan, if they can find OBL why cant they locate taleban leaders (if they are in Pakistan) and initiate talks with them.

The fact still remains that Americans have screwed up priorities, they still dontg know whether they want to have a military or a negotiated end to the solution thats the reason why taleban dont trust teh Afghans/Americans. http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/03/karzai-accuses-pakistan-of-stalling-talks-with-taliban.html

Karzai accuses Pakistan of stalling talks with Taliban

**BONN: Afghan President Hamid Karzai accused Pakistan, which is boycotting an international conference on Afghanistan starting Monday in Bonn, of sabotaging all negotiations with the Taliban.

**“Up until now, they have sadly refused to back efforts for negotiations with the Taliban,” Karzai told Der Spiegel weekly in comments reported in German and due to be published on Monday.

The Bonn meeting will seek to chart a course for Afghanistan after the Nato withdrawal, but a boycott by Pakistan has dealt a stinging blow to hopes for a roadmap.

Pakistan is seen as vital to any prospect of stability in the war-ravaged country a decade after US-led forces ousted the Taliban, which had offered safe harbour to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

But Islamabad pulled out after the killing of 24 soldiers in Nato air strikes on two Pakistani posts a week ago, although sources close to the German foreign ministry said it would be kept informed of progress at the conference.

Karzai also appealed for continued aid to his war-ravaged nation after 2014 — when Nato troops are due to pull out.

Stressing that Afghanistan will be “more than ever on the frontline,” he said: “If we fail in this war, which threatens all of us, it will mean a return to the situation before 9/11.” The Afghan leader conceded that “sadly we have not been able to provide security and stability to all Afghans, this is our greatest failure.” Afghan Foreign Minister Zalmai Rasoul appealed Saturday for international support for his country after Nato troops pull out.

“After 2014, we will continue to need long-term support from our friends in the international community,” Rasoul said at a discussion forum in Bonn.

His German counterpart Guido Westerwelle vowed at the forum that the world would not abandon Afghanistan, while also stressing the importance of the role of women in the county, where they currently face major discrimination.

In an interview to appear in Sunday’s Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, Westerwelle again voiced his regret over the Pakistani boycott of the conference, which will gather delegates from 100 nations.

“Pakistan has more to gain from a stable and peaceful Afghanistan than any of its neighbours,” he said.

In Bonn on Saturday, several thousand people — 4,500 according to organisers — demonstrated in protest at the conference and the German army’s role in Afghanistan.

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Afghanistan says it wont make any difference if Pakistan attends the conference or not…

[http://tribune.com.pk/story/301557/pakistans-absence-in-bonn-conference-wont-make-a-difference-kabul/

[URL=“http://tribune.com.pk/story/301557/pakistans-absence-in-bonn-conference-wont-make-a-difference-kabul/”]Pakistan’s absence in Bonn conference won’t make a difference: Kabul](http://tribune.com.pk/story/301557/pakistans-absence-in-bonn-conference-wont-make-a-difference-kabul/)
In the same article:

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Here is the article which I quoted in the previous post in full, the main reason for the taleban not opening negotiation with the Afghan government is that they know they are helpless (the power lies with the Americans and they are confused as to how solve the problem )..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/01/karzai-taliban-peace-pakistan-spies

Karzai to Taliban: talk peace and I’ll protect you from Pakistan spies

Afghan president’s failed attempt to ‘peel off’ insurgents with families living under ISI sway is taken up by US special envoy

**Taliban leaders living in Pakistan were offered resettlement packages for their families in Hamid Karzai’s failed attempt to find peace partners free from the influence of Pakistani spies, Afghan officials have revealed.

Officials said the Afghan president’s effort to find representatives to talk for the insurgents were scuppered by their unwillingness to jeopardise families given sanctuary in Pakistan, where they live under the sway of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), which is accused of supporting the Taliban.
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The initiative highlights the extraordinary grip Pakistan has over the Taliban leadership. And it showed the desire of the Karzai government to peel away a faction within the Quetta Shura, the insurgency’s main decision-making body.

**One diplomat in Kabul said families of high-ranking Taliban are often moved around Pakistan against their will and live under a loose house arrest. To overcome the problem the Afghan government, with Nato backing, hatched secret plans to move entire families to protected areas in Afghanistan.

**“Such an operation would be difficult but not impossible,” said a senior Afghan government official who did not wish to be named. “We have a red line on allowing our security forces to conduct operations inside Pakistan, but we were prepared to move the families. It would not have been a James Bond-style operation. We would have just used a few henchmen.”

The effort never came to anything, he said, and the most recent offers to move families are on hold after the assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani, Karzai’s peace envoy. After Rabbani’s death in September the Afghan president abandoned efforts to talk to the Taliban, saying he would engage directly with Pakistan.

Foreign experts and Afghan officials say the issue of families is a big stumbling block to peace efforts, giving the ISI an iron grip over the Taliban. “Every Taliban commander has his family in Pakistan,” said a former Afghan official who has met the insurgents’ representatives in the past.

He said the ISI tried to ensure all high-ranking Taliban kept their families in Pakistan. That included Quetta Shura members, frontline commanders and the “shadow governors” running the Taliban’s alternative government in the Afghanistan’s 34 provinces.

“It is a deliberate policy of ISI, who cannot trust people to fight unless they bring their family to Pakistan,” the official said. “Any Taliban leader who wants to do something different will have to think twice because the family will be at risk.”

That is what happened when it was revealed earlier this year that a Taliban functionary, Tayeb Agha, had been holding secret talks with the Americans.
“The story is that his family house was immediately surrounded and secured by the Pakistani police,” said Antonio Giustozzi, research fellow in the Crisis States Centre at the London School of Economics. “His father was put under house arrest until Agha returned to Pakistan.”

“There is a group interested in talks,” a western official said. “They are fed up with the way they live: they know they are being used by Pakistan and that they can be manipulated at a moment’s notice.”

**Karzai has struggled to turn such disillusionment into substantive talks, and has suffered a series of setbacks in his efforts to talk to the other side.
In February 2010, Abdul Ghani Baradar, one of the Taliban’s most senior leaders who is from Karzai’s Popolzai tribe, was arrested in Pakistan after he was found to have been talking unilaterally to the Afghans. Islamabad refused to hand over Baradar’s young son to Afghan custody, despite lobbying by Kabul.

**Last year it was revealed that a man posing as a Taliban envoy who met the Afghan president was an impostor.

The final disaster for Karzai’s policy was when a Taliban suicide bomber killed Rabbani. Although the peace process is now generally thought to be on hold, foreign diplomats say the US has kept open lines of communication with the Taliban. Unlike the rounds involving Agha, the latest talks are being kept as secret as possible.

One American official said the process is being led by Marc Grossman, the US special representative to the region, who remains convinced a Taliban group can be “peeled off” from Pakistani influence. “Details about this process are in very short supply,” said Giustozzi. “But the fact that it is continuing suggests the Pakistanis are allowing it to happen and have their own people involved. In that sense, it has their backing.”