In civilized country these guys resign voluntarily. If they do not, Zardari as president of Pakistan should fire them for complete failure of security. I would not mind if some sane person from his party replace him after that. Sam ki dholki bhajatay bhajatay sub saalay hijrhay ban gaay hain. And yes where is suo moto of CJ Chaudhry Iftekhar on this sheer negligence?
Re: Can Zardari have balls to fire Kiani and Shuja Pasha?
Ofcourse not and the reason is he wants to continue to take his share of the loot.
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In civilized country these guys resign voluntarily. If they do not, Zardari as president of Pakistan should fire them for complete failure of security.
Whoever "appoints" COAS should be able to fire him as well, same for ISI chief. Now we all have demanded "resignations" from politicians in past for their failures, when did they resign? I guess we are in unfortunate part of the world where people don't acknowledge their failure and resign, rather pass the blame on to others. Even if they accept their failure they are stubborn enough to hold on to their chairs.
The other question is, WOULD Zardari fire COAS/Pasha? Answer would be: depends on $$$ offered.
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In Holland, in 2002, a committee found that the 200 Dutch soldiers who were guarding the Muslim enclave of Srebenica willingly surrendered to the Serbs and let the Muslims get massacred out of racism. The entire cabinet resigned, every single minister, whether they had anything to do with it or not.
In Pakistan in 2011, it emerges that the world's most wanted man, a man who inspired attacks that have killed thousands of Pakistanis, has been living in a developed city under the nose of our army. Our entire goverment, our ISI chief, and our military chief should all go.
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In civilized country these guys resign voluntarily. If they do not, Zardari as president of Pakistan should fire them for complete failure of security.
dont get blind by your hate for Pakistan Army .....
I dont know about the rest but I am proud of them ....
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Ofcourse not and the reason is he wants to continue to take his share of the loot.
Then speaker should immediately call the session of national assembly and senate and it should be unanimously decided as I suggested above.
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Dear sachaydino](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/sachaydino.html)
Don’t be so crazy. And these fools always love boots.
Chahay woh ******************par kion nah par rahay hon.
It is not their or mine fault.
We have a history of 4000 years of doing same.
I am ashamed but it is our truth.
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Where you pointing at? :ASA:
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Where you pointing at? :ASA:
At myself.
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dont get blind by your hate for Pakistan Army .....
I dont know about the rest but I am proud of them ....
I'm proud of my soldiers !!! but kiyani :(
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ISI head is appointed by COAS not President
As per constitution Zardari can fire COAS Kayani but will he?
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and who will replace kiyani?? if tht happens?
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No need to replace any one. Ask them to employ some learned people for intelligence work. Stop your trade activities and make new cantonments out of cities.
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Well Kayani is not indispensable. There is no shortage of generals in our country 
Although the President is the commander-in-chief of our armed forces, after the 18th amendment, Gilani now has power to appoint armed forces chiefs…but I do not trust this Goof
Seniormost general after Kayani is current CJCSC Gen Khalid Shameem Wynne. It could be him or the next senior most general but that is not the point
The point is does Gilani have the balls to do so?
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and the answer is NO :(
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I don't know I haven't checked Zardari's tattays yet.
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ISI should be military cum civilian agency with independent head appointed by the government, though I don’t want them to be under ministry of interior (what is shoaib suddle doing with his degree at IB? it is still a pathetic agency ) so this govt is probably out as it is incompetent. Doesn’t the military already have MI, so there should be multiple avenues of advice for a government to follow and make decisions accordingly.
PS I thought Zardari became a figurehead after the eighteenth amendment, though the PM is his puppet master.
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I don't know I haven't checked Zardari's tattays yet.
:)
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dont get blind by your hate for Pakistan Army .....
I dont know about the rest but I am proud of them ....
Dude we are also proud of our army…why do you need to inculcate emotions into otherwise a rational debate that seems to be a logical one given the gravity of situation…Lets face it…Pakistan army and ISI have completely disappointed the nation by their gross incompetence…not only have they made a complete mockery out of themselves but they have also embarrassed their nation …
kaya kayani and pasha ko koi sharam lahaz nahieen ha? Kasiaee log hain yae? khuda ko koi lahaz karo...Do they need any more reason for sticking to their posts? We absolutely need their departure, a complete investigation of the incidence and a new army leadership to reinstate the confidence among their countrymen...
remember those countries do not last for long whose armies have lost trust of their countrymen…and right now every Pakistani has deep concerns about the capacity of the current army leadership …the fact it took army 36 hours to release a statement is a clear indication that the incidence took them by complete surprise and they were not aware of it…so for over 90min someone intruded into our space thus violating our sovereignty and we were not even aware of it…a terrorist was sitting 700 yards from a military facility for years and ISI had no clue? isnt this a complete failure of intelligence? Pasha, do you have any honor left in you?
Whatever the reasons are, but kayani and Pasha need to leave…OUR AMRY IS NOT A JOKE...we have a lot of capable generals..kayani has messed it up big time, and it is about time to bring new blood, set up a bold and transparent strategy and reinstate the honor of our army...
we claim that our media is free...how come none of the channels, newspapers, anchors or columists demanded the resignation of kayani and pasha?
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Don't be naive guys. Maybe Kayani will be thrown under the bus (and rightly so) but do you guys really think that the ISI will let any harm come to itself from the civil government? Over the years, the ISI has become a state within a state. Even though it goes contrary to the constitution but it is quite obvious that the ISI has the government by the balls and not the other way around ... does not help that the government itself is so corrupt and vulnerable that is so easy to hold them hostage. All of this stuff has been caused in the first place because the ISI was going around doing whatever it wants irrespective of what is demanded of them by the ruling government.