Can you get along!

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This forum gives a perfect example of how much hate lies in the hearts of people belonging to diferent sect of Islam.
It is almost bitter to see that.
Is there a code of ethics to post message on this forum?
I think one can disagree with other people’s beliefs but there is no reason to start making personal attacks, and that’s what everybody seems to be doing.
We can continue to tell people that we disagree with your beliefs but this is not the reason to make personal derogatory remarks. Can everybody refrain from it, please.

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Can we get along!

Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!

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These people can’t cope with facts and TRUTH and than they end up insulting others and creating fights.

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salaam brothers,

so i see,is this what happens here too. I was expecting a friendly place. but I think we can work on that all together, right?

U really dont get anywhere by creating enless pointless fights but if they make the choice, than as they like.

** There is ** guiding one to the right path
** There is ** misguiding another
Saprating into groups of diiferent islamic beliefs all started from satan. Remember, he wants to take all of us to the hell because he doesn't want to go there all by himself.
We have to ignore the wrongs and step ahead to the rights.
It is only because of Satan how there are soooo many religions in this world

n e ways this can continue for ever
I have to go

Wasalaam
May Allah swt guide us all to the right path Ameen

Jazak-Allah Khair
Sister
MM

**La - Ikraha - Fi-d-(al)Din...**
Let there be no compulsion in religion..2:256 Al Quran
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****"That is because Allah is
the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is
Falsehood; and because Allah,- He is the Most High, Most Great". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Attributing kufr to a person, shouting, and bluster are the weapon of the weak. And my posts are not dedicated to the weaks but for facts and evidences that deserve a pause from you to contemplate through the post and the references given and know what it is. What I have presented are facts just from shia hadith books. No one should have any problem with that, not even a shia, because that stuff really exists in their books.

Muslims should unite, but unity is based on books of ALLAH and Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad NOT at the expense of the book of Allah and sunnah of his prophet. Diologe is needed but they cannot debate without including bad words, insults and personal-attacks on the person presenting them with a logical questions and facts from their own shia books.

You look around the forum, I have asked my shia friends, many times but they ignore the questions but curse me insult sahaba and call other members with funny names, like once they had those names for themselves.

I don’t know what their problem is. They present us with references from same books as I am giving the references from but the material is different the topic is different. Yet they deny that and say " those books are wrong" well one can ask; than why do you follow them in other issues that they deal with?

They say: Those books were written by Humans, they can make mistakes, but in other post they might be claiming their Imams are infallible!!! Stay on one side of the argument you my shia friends, don’t just jump from one side to the other…stay shia and stick with what you believe don’t practice taqqiya everywhre you go trying to hide the ills of your religion.

Thank you. Take it easy.

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but aren’t you the one who is mostly calling others kafir…?

Don’t you think that if it were that simple.. it would have been solved hundreds of years ago..? or do you consider yourself much more logical than the large number of muslim scholars and thinkers before you…?

and you retort in a similar manner too… atleast someone should stop themself from losing contrl… i agree that many people here try to avoid question instead of actually answering them…

why dont you try to debate this in another thread..?

and you too…

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The fact that people are more willing to respond to posts that carry an anti shia, anti sunni or anti wahabbi message instead of something neutral, like a Quranic quote or a hadees says it all. Getting along with each other is supposed to be part of our faith.

Its ironic that most of the people people bring out conflicts that concentrate on fulfilling some 'sunnat', whereas there are millions of 'fard' that they havent even come close to fulfilling.

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There are some basis on which I might have called someone kafir, I doubt that I have. I must have called Munafik or something. Let put it this way, its easier: If a shia says his imams know the future or his imaams die by their own choice and all that and his hadith books and other religious books/scholars confirm his sayings - now when you look at the same statements which he/she/those hadith books are claiming and you will find it to be wrong according to Quran and Sunnah. What would you call that? If I call my self a Muslim, I should be on what Quran says or contradictory to what quran says???

What I have presented are facts just from shia hadith books. No one should have any problem with that, not even a shia, because that stuff really exists in their books.

I never claimed to more than what I am, remember that. If you try to put your tongue in my mouth and say that I am more logical than them, well so be it. But I never claimed I am more knowledgable or more logical than large numbers of Muslim, but what I will claim is that I am more logical than the shias on this forum.

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Again part of my argument, if your hadith books contradict with Quran and Sunnah than they are wrong, and I think you will agree with me there.

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Muslims should unite, but unity is based on books of ALLAH and Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad NOT at the expense of the book of Allah and sunnah of his prophet. Diologe is needed but they cannot debate without including bad words, insults and personal-attacks on the person presenting them with a logical questions and facts from their own shia books.

It is true, I might have lost some of my control in some post, but I never just burst out in anger and curse out someone just because other person have asked me a QUESTION!!!

We have tried many times, but when it comes to answering questions they lose it. If you know what I mean.

I do too…

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[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited January 09, 2001).]

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ok.. how about this… you post your question in a thread with the subject ‘Some Questions for Shia friends’ and i’ll post some questions in the same thread too.. ok..?
And instead of trying to prove them wrong, we try to get the answers.. ok..?

and if it doesn’t work out then we’ll see… ok..?

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I have posted many posts like that before, lets try it again.

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ammar its in his personality to cause problems..we have given him simple answers but he doesnt even want to accept the truth..he keeps on babbling the same thing over and over..enough is enough..ppl will loose control time to time..look at the long posts he writes..and how many he writes..think about it..is this a person who is a student of Islam? or is he just a fitna who doesnt want muslims to get along..he is calling shias to be kaafir..think about it how many of the ahle sunah agree with him? not many..just his wahabi buddies