"God is not science. God is faith. Its as real as the H2O molecules in your glass full of water. If we dont have a way of quantifying it, then its our problem, not God's"
Agree with 1st two sentences.
To those who have faith, it probably is real. No need to quantify it. In fact I wouldn't even go so far as to say is is a problem.
Since per ur words, God is not Science, no compelling reason to include God in school science curriculum. Since God is not science, there really shouldn't be an issue if questions (and eyebrows) r raised when God is brought in science related discussions.
Faith don't kill humanity. Forcing ones religious beliefs onto others by implementing religion based laws sure will take us down that path.
lack of faith is not killing humanity, seems like faith is killing humanity.
Or maybe I should say, the ‘wrong interpretation’ of faith is killing humanity since religion can never be blamed :halo:
^Aaaw, dekho kitni lambi umar hai tumhari. Abhi last post main tumhara hi zikr kar rahi thi. And lo n behold, tum tapak pari with the same point.
Are ALL individuals who follow a faith killing humanity? Or do you think that their faith will culminate to killing humanity? If so, do you not then fear everyone who follows a religion or you see all religion as a danger to society/mankind?
I can also argue that faith maybe killing humanity, but all the tools are provided by the science. USA killed over 200,000 people by dropping two bombs. Does that make science evil? Or should I say that does it make wrong use of science, evil - as science itself can never be blamed? :p
Science is not the only tool to verify the validity of things around us, its just one of the tools. bas itni see baat hai.
I never thought of it that way, TLK....that quantifying or basing everything in measurable amounts can be detracting. Usually we tend to think it can only make things better, more valid, more real. That's a interesting, profound angle you put forth.
He has written a book. Don’t know if it’s been banned. Wouldn’t be surprised if it is. Oh wait…I shouldn’t have said. It’s is wrong to say that there is a general or strong ant-Muslim sentiment in France.
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Science is not the only tool to verify the validity of things around us, its just one of the tools. bas itni see baat hai."
Of course not. Emotions probably cannot be explained by Science. So yes. That gives room to all kinds of kooky theories based on faith. Some would insist that Angada jumped 1000 yojanas. Hanuman flew a Ross from Kayak marine to Sri Lanka. Rama made arrows from bladed of grass. Krishna lifted a mountain. Rishis could turn folks into ashes with their curse.
Let us give credibility to these incidents. And insist upon schools including these in their science curriculum. Non Hindus would find these incidents hilarious. They may even consider them fairy tales.
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Science is not the only tool to verify the validity of things around us, its just one of the tools. bas itni see baat hai."
Of course not. Emotions probably cannot be explained by Science. So yes. That gives room to all kinds of kooky theories based on faith. Some would insist that Angada jumped 1000 yojanas. Hanuman flew a Ross from Kayak marine to Sri Lanka. Rama made arrows from bladed of grass. Krishna lifted a mountain. Rishis could turn folks into ashes with their curse.
Let us give credibility to these incidents. And insist upon schools including these in their science curriculum. Non Hindus would find these incidents hilarious. They may even consider them fairy tales.
If you go through the religious books of Islam, especially those written about famous pious Muslims, you will find an amazing abundance of such fairy tales. Some would feel like a Super Hero comic.
On the same token, there are "scientific books" written about the procedures of turning any regular metal into gold. Don't we have enough common sense to remove the crap from the real and just focus on
that? If we can remove crap from real in science, why do we mix all faith based text in one bowl and call it all junk? We should open mindedly, remove the fairy tales away from faith based text also, without discarding everything.
We should open mindedly, remove the fairy tales away from faith based text also, without discarding everything.
But is that not where faith comes in? Taking the example of Bucaille who has said that Quran is in harmony with science. So, if someone like him has found that the Quran confirms many scientific theories and discoveries, that could lead to him to develop "faith" in those events in the Quran that defy nature, right? Or one could examine religious books and compare how much scientific validity they each have, how much sense their core principles make, and give greater credit to the one that ranks higher. If one finds a religious book to 90% kooky theories and another to have 50 percent...then open your mind up to the latter.
But is that not where faith comes in? Taking the example of Bucaille who has said that Quran is in harmony with science. So, if someone like him has found that the Quran confirms many scientific theories and discoveries, that could lead to him to develop "faith" in those events in the Quran that defy nature, right? Or one could examine religious books and compare how much scientific validity they each have, how much sense their core principles make, and give greater credit to the one that ranks higher. If one finds a religious book to 90% kooky theories and another to have 50 percent...then open your mind up to the latter.
I agree.
Just to clarify, I was talking about the interpretation of faith as written later by humans, where they added unverified fairy tales that tainted the image of religion (I am talking about Islam here).
If you go through the religious books of Islam, especially those written about famous pious Muslims, you will find an amazing abundance of such fairy tales. Some would feel like a Super Hero comic.
On the same token, there are "scientific books" written about the procedures of turning any regular metal into gold. Don't we have enough common sense to remove the crap from the real and just focus on
that? If we can remove crap from real in science, why do we mix all faith based text in one bowl and call it all junk? We should open mindedly, remove the fairy tales away from faith based text also, without discarding everything.
You see. When I used the phrase "fairy tale" it irked some folks and out of regard for their sentiments I removed that phrase.
Now you called these mythological stories crap. If I called anything in Quran crap, I would have hell to pay. I don't take offense at ur calling these stories crap. For I know u didn't mean it as an insult to Hinduism. However these stories are an integral part of several Hindus lives. And they don't consider it crap. They simply have faith in these stories.
That is why I go back to ur first sentence in earlier post - Religion is not science. For one religions valued mythologies is another religions crap.
If I called anything in Quran crap, I would have hell to pay. I don't take offense at ur calling these stories crap. For I know u didn't mean it as an insult to Hinduism. However these stories are an integral part of several Hindus lives. And they don't consider it crap. They simply have faith in these stories.
That is why I go back to ur first sentence in earlier post - Religion is not science. For one religions valued mythologies is another religions crap.
Uff, I was only talking about Islam. Did not I start with "*If you go through the religious books of Islam, ...". "*Also, please note that I was not talking about the quran either. I said "*especially those written about famous pious Muslims " *(which means the one authored by humans out of respect for those pious people)
I read ur post again. The word crap was used wrt scientific books describing metal to gold.
You used "such fairy tales" to describe some of the religious book in Islam. By such, since I had referred to Hindu mythologies, it is a safe assumption that you considered the Hindu mythologies as fairy tales. (Ok nit crap but fairy tales).
Note that u didn't say anything is the Quran is a fairy tale.
Now several Hindus do believe in these stories. And may not want these stories to be referred to as fairy tales.
So let me modify my last sentence
One religions mythologies are another religions fairy tales. That is why ur first sentence Religion isn't science speaks for itself.
