Is there any way that The Theory of Evolution not be un-islamic???
I beleive in both so am i not a muslim???
as far as i'm aware the theory of evolution has no basis in islam. allah {subhana' wa'ta'allah} created humans we weren't derived from monkey's and apes what have you.
Yes, Theory of evolution and Islam are compatible. I think the first human Adam starts somewhere after the Stone Age.
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*as far as i'm aware the theory of evolution has no basis in islam. allah {subhana' wa'ta'allah} created humans we weren't derived from monkey's and apes what have you.
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are monkeys close to humans in similarities than giraffe?
In simple terms if you believe in Adam :as: and Hawa :as: as the first humans sent down from heaven, then you cant really believe that they evolved from monkeys or what not.
For animals it may be different. but even then you cant say they were created from ‘nothingness’.
Anyway goto harunyahya.com he talks alot about the evolution theory from a islamic view point.
The theory of evolution does not say that we evolved from monkeys. Rather, that we have a common ancestor.
I haven’t read anything that shows that Islam and Evolution are necessarily incompatible. We know Allah SWT created Adam and Hawa :as: , but we don’t know the details about how it happened.
There are two aspects to evolution: Human evolution and the theory of the “Survival of the Fittest". In Islam the logic that Human evolution took place is non-existent. Rather Muslims believe that Allah created Adam and Eve and they proceeded to sire off-spring. Man was created. He was the first template. If you attribute evolution saying that humans and monkeys have common ancestors in the religious sense that would mean that Adam was not the first template or that Allah created monkeys to mimic humans. The first would never be accepted by a religious community. The second could be possible but since Adam was the first of the Human race there is no possibility for there to be anyone before him. Thus no common ancestry.
^ You're not making sense.
Like I said, Adam was the first human. We know that before us, other animals already inhabited the Earth. We were not the first to inhabit the Earth; that is clearly stated in the Quran. Couldn't some of other animals have been prehistoric ancestors, that existed before a human was created? Couldn't the moment that Adam was created be the initiation of homo sapiens?
I'm not, by any means, saying that the theory of evolution is fact. It is a theory. I just don't see it as incompatible with Islam's teachings.
I will try to be a little clearer this time round. :) According to religion Adam was created from mud like all humans. He was created. He did not evolve. Nor was there anything before him but mud. He was the first of mankind. Thus he can not have an ancestor. No where does it say some other “template” or parts were used to create Adam. I believe in Christianity it is said that Adam was made in the image of God himself. So in that case God is the common ancestor.
Simply put: monkeys and Humans can not share a common ancestor as there were no humans, or human like beings before Adam.
What qualifies as "human-like" and how do we know there weren't any?
Well human knowledge is finite so neither you nor I can make a claim that human like beings did not exist. They could have existed. But neither one of us can claim otherwise as we were not there. So we have a fifty-fifty chance of being right.
However the logic is as follows:
Definition of Ancestor. As you can see the definition describes something coming before the current incarnation. Since Adam was the first there can be no ancestor/predecessor.
Has there been any scieintific research done on this field by muslims from an islamic point of view???
Since it is said that adam and eve were made out of mud, couldn't allah have "moulded" the apes (or whatever they were called) to become adam and eve? God forbid me if im wrong but couldn't this be true?
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please see "oxymoron" in the nearest webster's dictionary
Firstly there has been alot manily by Harun Yahya whos written many books on this subject (many of which are available free online). He talks about the evolution theory in great detail from an islmic point of view.
Here are more specific links to some of his books about evolution.
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/
You can even watch a documentary here
http://www.evolutiondocumentary.com/
Secondly about Adam :as:, you can read his story here Prophet Adam (as) taken from Ibn Kathirs famous stories of the prophets. Read the link for a more detailed story.
And here are the verses:
“Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.” (Chapter 38:71-72 Quran).
Remember when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him then fall you down prostrating yourselves unto him.” (Day of Resurrection). (Ch 15:28-29 Quran).
He was created from clay and moulded as Allah desired, its not correct to believe that he moulded him from apes. Why would he need to do that?, and there is no evidence at all to suggest that.
There is no way humans have decended from apes or anything else, we are decendants from Adam :as: (islamically at least anyway).
Like I said earlier Ive heard that it may apply to animals to some extent but cant apply to humans at all.
So the islamic position is quite clear on the theory of evolution for humans.
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please see "oxymoron" in the nearest webster's dictionary
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Are you stupid???
Just because a muslim scientist is doing some work on a particular field doesn't mean he is working with an islamic perspective. You think that every scientist (mostly christians) work with the teachings of jesus and bible in their mind???
Next time don't stick your nose where it doesnt belong coz clearly you have nothing to contribute to topic at hand. We are discussing a serious topic here in a serious atmosphere (which happens to be in the "science and Philosophy" forum, not cafe if you didn't know) and it should be kept that way, idiot.
M: ill get back at you but i gotta go now.
Sir Galahad -- Sure, Adam was the first human. No way to know what came before. An "ancestor" need not have been human, in the way we are today.
M -- First off, please note that the theory of evolution does not claim that man descended from apes. This is a phrase touted by those who aren't educated or well-read on the topic. If you object to something, at least go beyond popular knowledge of it.
Couldn't the creation from clay connect with the the theory of evolution? It also suggests that life was somehow initiated from inanimate matter. Granted, the most evolutionary biologists claim that this is due to some sort of electrical stimulus, and not from Allah breathing a soul into clay, but perhaps these are just different attempts at understanding the same thing?
Man and Evolution; (From ‘The Philosophy of Islam’)
An unbiased investigator, whether he supports the theory of evolution or opposes it, has to admit that:
(1) As far as we know, all the existing things of the world, including the living organisms, have a historical succession in accordance with the degree of their evolution.
(2) We are aware of many cases in which a more developed organism is the progeny of a less developed one.
(3) There are indications on the basis of which it may be presumed that this is a general rule applicable to all existing things.
(4) But still this is no more than a mere scientific guess, and the way to further investigation on the basis of contrary evidence, as mentioned above, is still open.
(5) On the basis of the doctrine, that the world has an Almighty Creator, who has brought the universe into existence and who manages it, there is a complete possibility that certain developed species might have come into existence independently in the same way as we have described the case of the machines. Of course, in this case the creation of the developed species is not to be the outcome of any mental development of the Creator or His gaining any experience. It is to be only on the basis that evolutionary motion exists in the creative design of the world. In other words, it is the will of Allah that gradually more and more developed species should come into being, in the same way as there exists an evolutionary motion in the development of an embryo.
Emergence of man
According to their general line of thinking, the scientists hold that man has evolved from the primates, which existed before him. We leave the study and evaluation of this evidence and other indications to the anthropologists, and confine ourselves to making a few general remarks in regard to the origin of man.
(1) What we have said about the theory of evolution is also applicable to what has been or is being said on the basis of this theory about the ancestors of the first man, but as we have already pointed out, this theory is no more than a scientific guess. It is still subject to further investi_gation and should not be considered to be one hundred per cent final.
(2) Anyhow, it is important to note that the emergence of man on the basis of evolution from other primates is not in conflict with the teachings of the revealed religions, especially with the belief of an Almighty Creator of the world. We have repeatedly mentioned in Islamic Teachings that Allah, as described by the Qur’an, is the Creator and Disposer of nature. Therefore the perfect system of nature is one of His signs and not an arrangement parallel to Him or negating Him. All the scientific discussions and efforts are aimed at only finding out this system of nature as it actually exists.
(3) The only point which has given rise to the conception that there is a contradiction between religion and the general principles of evolution is that the book of Genesis of Old Testament and certain verses of the Qur’an apparently indicate that all men existing on the earth are the progeny of Adam, who was created independently and not evolved from any previous living beings.
In this connection the following points are worth con_sideration:
(a) What, in this respect, is mentioned in the book of Genesis cannot be taken seriously from religious point of view, because the genuineness of many parts of Old Testament is historically doubtful.
(b) The Qur’anic verses connected with the birth of Adam generally emphasize the point that his birth was an important event and that Divine spirit was infused in his material body made of clay. This kind of birth may only be described as mutation.
Thus a being made of clay came into existence. He was destined to be the master of the earth and no other visible or invisible being could place a total restriction on his leaning towards Allah or towards his base desires.
(c) There is only one verse in the whole Qur’an which describes the birth of Adam as somewhat miraculous. This verse says: “Surely Isa is like Adam in the sight of Allah. He created him of clay, then said to hire: `Be! and he was”. (Surah Ale Imran, 3: 59)
This verse has come in the wake of other verses relating to the Prophet Isa. The Qur’an invariably stresses that Isa was created by Allah and that he was not His son. The fact that he was born of Virgin Maryam and had no father is no proof of his being the son of Allah. His birth was a super_natural event, which took place by Allah’s will, in the same way as another supernatural event, that is the birth of Adam, the living being having Divine spirit, occurred earlier.
It may be observed . that this very verse shows that the birth of Adam and that of Isa are alike.
Can anybody claim that what the Qur’an has said concerning the birth of Isa repudiates the general procedure of the birth of men all over history? Does it deny that they are normally born of father and mother. Not at all.
In dozens of verses the Qur’an declares the system of reproduction and procreation to be a sign of the power and the wisdom of the Creator of the cosmos.
Hence from the Qur’anic point of view the miraculous birth of Adam, the first living being gifted with Divine spirit, should not be construed to mean that the Qur’an is opposed to the theory of the emergence of the existing things of the world or the birth of living organisms on the basis of evolution. All that it means is that the emergence of man in an extraordinary way was a special favor of Allah
for more detail; check this link; http://al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/chapter 11, Man and Evolution
OK what is the theory then, that we all came from single cell organisms and evolved over time? Apes was just used as a term to make a point. Im not a biologist and dont claim to be an expert but have read some of Harun Yahyas works on this. The links have been provided above. Read them first if you like an islamic view.
Anyway how does the creation from clay connect to the theory of evolution? What is the link? What is your evidence for any link?
They seem to be independent of everything that may have occured to animals or anything else on earth. We know Allah :swt: created him in a perfect form, and gave him great wisdom, which impressed the Angels. So we know he could speak, and had understanding.
So please explain where does evolution come into this. How are humans today different to Adam :as:, the father all of mankind, from who we all originate. You talk about what if there are other similar ‘human like’, it doesnt matter, their not humans. What is the common ancestor from which all living things come from? and what is their link to the clay?
Anyway there is still doubt over the theory, their still looking for the missing link.
Anyway the question was about Islam, and unless you can prove that Adam :as: evolved from single cell organisms, then you cant say that humans have been a part of the evolutionary process, Islamically at least anyway.
It surprises me how people seem to think that they already have ultimate and complete knowledge of Islam and the Quran. How can we be sure exactly what Allah meant when he said that he created Adam from clay and that he was the first of mankind? How can we claim to totally understand the wisdom in the Quran?
I know that the theory of evolution is nothing but a theory. It is not necessarily accurate. However, I don't think that Islam suggests that evolution is impossible.
Harun Yahya makes some good points, however much of the analysis is incomplete. For example, he says that if evolution is real, then there would be more intermediate life forms, and he insists there aren't any. But what are lungfish? They are intermediary between fish and amphibian. What about whales that show internal organs that are more like humans than the fish that surround them? I could pull out my textbooks and give you several more examples. I don't think this proves evolution. I'm just saying that we can not thoroughly disprove it from the arguments he makes.
The link I see from the creation from clay to evolution is the idea of life coming from inanimate matter.
Humans today are not necessarily different from Adam. He was the first homo sapien. Allah SWT could have allowed for the series of coincedences that would create intelligent life in Adam (see, for example, Ma Mooli's post).
The missing link? Well that is what people of faith can give -- it is a divine force that initiated, created life. We don't know how it happened or how it progressed, but I don't see any reason to believe that Allah SWT couldn't have created evolution.
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LoL touchy, touchy there "Kool" guy! Don't blame me because you can't come to grips with the fact that Islam completely disregards sensible, proven scientific theories like Evolution.
Maybe you better switch to buddhism bro, cause you can't be a muslim if you believe Mr. Darwin was right. You're made out of mud, and that's final!!! haha