Can someone explain it?

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Although it does not seem logical with our current medical knowledge but may prove to be correct with scientific advancement. Anybody would dare to comment. Thias is from Sahih Bukhari.

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:
Narrated Anas:

When 'Abdullah bin Salam heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, “I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle” Allah’s Apostle said, “Gabriel has just now told me of their answers.” 'Abdullah said, “He (i.e. Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews.” Allah’s Apostle said, “The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. **As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.” **On that 'Abdullah bin Salam said, “I testify that you are the Apostle of Allah.” 'Abdullah bin Salam further said, “O Allah’s Apostle! The Jews are liars, and if they should come to know about my conversion to Islam before you ask them (about me), they would tell a lie about me.” The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and 'Abdullah went inside the house. Allah’s Apostle asked (the Jews), “What kind of man is 'Abdullah bin Salam amongst you?” They replied, “He is the most learned person amongst us, and the best amongst us, and the son of the best amongst us.” Allah’s Apostle said, “What do you think if he embraces Islam (will you do as he does)?” The Jews said, “May Allah save him from it.” Then 'Abdullah bin Salam came out in front of them saying, “I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.” Thereupon they said, “He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us,” and continued talking badly of him.

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my english friend reverted to islam when she read that the quran contained scientific knowledge people only learned ten years ago.
its amazing how everything is put in the quran and hadith for us and some of us are yet too blind of all the knowledge we are provided with.

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Originally posted by sheba:
my english friend reverted to islam when she read that the quran contained scientific knowledge people only learned ten years ago.
its amazing how everything is put in the quran and hadith for us and some of us are yet too blind of all the knowledge we are provided with.
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Sheba, that does not answer the question...

*Get Back to Where you Once Belonged! *

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no one has attempted to explain it as yet!!!!

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Analyze it, Its taken from Sahi Bukhari which only few of the muslims claim to be 100% authentic.

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Only few of the muslims

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To my knowledge, this is considered to be the most authentic of all Hadith books by sunni muslims(about 85-90% of whole muslim world).

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Is there total agreement amongst Ahle-Sunnah scholars about all of the hadiths in Bukhari's collection being 100% correct? For example, as I undertand Imam Abu Hanafi stated that during namaaz, the people behind the imam do not have to recite Sura Al-Fatiha as the imam's recitation is sufficient for the whole jama'at (based on a hadith frm the Sahih of Muslim), whereas Imam Ash-Shafie stated that you do have to read Al-Fatiha behind the imam. Maybe I was not not looking hard enough (as I think my Sahih Al-Bukhari may be condensed), but in Bukhari's sahih I think I could only find evidence for the Shafie view and not the Hanafi view.

If this is true it would have meant that Imam Hanafi disputed a hadith from Sahih Al-Bukhari.

Could someone please provide me with more details.

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Originally posted by Pagluu:
**Analyze it, Its taken from Sahi Bukhari which only few of the muslims claim to be 100% authentic.

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my dear friend please dont twist facts actually a vast majority of muslims consider Sahih Bukhari as the most authentic Hadith collection... so which shia hadith collection is more read than this one ??

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[quote]
Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT:
**Is there total agreement amongst Ahle-Sunnah scholars about all of the hadiths in Bukhari's collection being 100% correct? For example, as I undertand Imam Abu Hanafi stated that during namaaz, the people behind the imam do not have to recite Sura Al-Fatiha as the imam's recitation is sufficient for the whole jama'at (based on a hadith frm the Sahih of Muslim), whereas Imam Ash-Shafie stated that you do have to read Al-Fatiha behind the imam. Maybe I was not not looking hard enough (as I think my Sahih Al-Bukhari may be condensed), but in Bukhari's sahih I think I could only find evidence for the Shafie view and not the Hanafi view.

If this is true it would have meant that Imam Hanafi disputed a hadith from Sahih Al-Bukhari.

Could someone please provide me with more details.**
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According to my poor knowledge, i never talked in religion before. I think the matter u asked above, we should not discussed such matters, who result in wrong way. Here is no Aalam i think who comes on GupShup. These are the things that we should ask from some Aalim-i-Deen. But its also said that we should take views from more than one Aalims and then think what we should follow.Anybody can give wrong information. Thats os the reason i never talk about religious matters here.

Well according to my poor knowledge, After Prophet Muhammad (SallalahAlaiheWasalam) death, there came a period when some people starting deriving Hadiths from theirselves. So then it was also difficult to know which Hadth is "Mustanad"(right). Also secondly some hadiths were said by Prophet on some special occasions that were only meanable for that occasions. So there came an existance of "Zaif Hadths"(Hadiths that r not narrated by authnticated sources).

Imam Shafai said that we should only follow Quran and Hadith and get every solution for the problems from Quran and Hadith wether its Zaif or Mustanad. On the other hand, Imam Abu Hanfai had also knowledge of Hadiths but he only authenticated the Mustanad Hadiths, he did not discussed about Zaif Hadiths. Also he blieved that not all matters of life be solved by Quran and Hadit so "Qayas"(derivation of matters from Quran and Haiths by Aalims, the matters which solution is not in Quran and Hadith) hould also be followed.
But at the whole, we should not say that any imam was wrong, they were right on their own, just we should follow him who we can...

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[quote]
Originally posted by Degas:
** my dear friend please dont twist facts actually a vast majority of muslims consider Sahih Bukhari as the most authentic Hadith collection... so which shia hadith collection is more read than this one ??

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yes Sahi Bukhari hadiths are called the Mustanad Hadiths among majority of Muslims.

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What people consider as authentic and whether it really is authentic are two different things.

Every individual should evaluate it to his/her own satisfaction.

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Originally posted by a1shah:
**What people consider as authentic and whether it really is authentic are two different things.

Every individual should evaluate it to his/her own satisfaction.**
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as no one including u and me dont know whats authentic so we cant discuss that...but the question was vast majority consider Sahih Bukhari as most authentic so u and me cant do anything... other people have the same right to consider and follow their faith and beliefs...

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I guess we are just discussing the Sahih bukhari being 100% authentic or not. This is not the point and it takes us away from my original question.
Just assume the hadith is authentic since it is taken from a very well respected book.
Discuss the highlighted part of hadiths not the source. Nobody dared to address the question yet!

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Here is the answer:

Allah knows best!

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Analyse it, I guess the best thing to do would be to look for a book where a scholar comments on the meaning of this hadith.

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This is for the followers of hadith:

As stated earlier the hadith of Bukhari is not worth the paper it is printed
on. By following such ludicrous hadith which clearly taint the good name of
the Prophet Muhammed, the Muslims have been lost for over 1000 years now.
They can only recall the glorious days of the Prophet. Little do they realize
that during the glorious days there was no hadith. There was only the Quran.

Rest of the article is available in the other thread.

Punjabi Kurhi

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Amy, you have truly shot yourself in the foot this time. Before I start, let us establish the following.
1.) The Quran is the word of Allah
2.) The Hadith are the words of the Prophet (SAWS)

You say that we should only follow the Quran, only follow the explicit word of Allah.

Now read the following from the Quran.

"So take whatever the Messenger gives you and keep away from what he forbids you." (Surah Al-Hashr 59:7)

Here it is explained to us that the commandment of the Prophet is equal to a commandment from Allah. This is not the only place this is written, Allah has commanded us in many places in the Quraan to obey the Messenger. A few of these are:

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those charged with authority among you; and if you differ in anything among yourselves, then refer it to Allah and the Messenger if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best and most suitable for final determination." 4:59

Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers. 3:32

And obey Allah and the Messenger; that ye may obtain mercy. 3:132

Those are limits set by Allah: those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement. But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment. 4:13-14

And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, these are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favors from among the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the good, and a goodly company are they! 4:69

"The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger in order that he may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, 'We hear and we obey'. It is such as these who will attain success." (Surah Al-Nur 24:51)

"But no, by your Lord! (O Muhammad) They cannot be believers until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept them with the fullest submission." (Surah Al-Nisa' 4:65)

Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if you turn back, know that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. 5:92

They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war. Say: "(such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger: So fear Allah, and keep straight the relations between yourselves: Obey Allah and His Messenger, if you believe." 8:1

O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak). 8:20

O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered. 8:24

"So take whatever the Messenger gives you and keep away from what he forbids you." (Surah Al-Hashr 59:7)

"You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah." (33:21)

"He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah." (4:80)

Thus we as Muslims as 2 sources for our commandments: The commands of Allah, as laid down in the Quran, and the commands of the Prophet (SAWS) as laid down in the Hadith.

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Thus we as Muslims as 2 sources for our commandments: The commands of Allah, as laid down in the Quran, and the commands of the Prophet (SAWS) as laid down in the Hadith.

That is exactly the point. There are no two sources. There is only on source and that is quran the word of God. Hadith is a man made fabrication of the truth and written 200 plus years after the Prophet's death.

Punjabi Kurhi

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Amy

If you actually took time out, you will realise that according to your reason of thought, 100% of all muslims, regardless of sect have been following the incorrect religion of Islam by using the A'Hadeeth as a source of guidance after the Qur'aan.

Can you kindly explain where the actual teachings of the Prophet PBUH have been kept and recorded or do we actually require them?

And why have all muslims for hundreds of years been misguided, despite having great Scholars and Imaams who had a far greater worshipping conviction than we ever had and will.

Please give me just one Ayat of the Qur'aan where it tells us how many units we should pray( salaat) as this is our sole purpose of being created.

And (tell them that)I have not created the Jinn and human beings to any end other than they may worship Me. 51:56

Finally, if we totally disassociate the A'Hadeeth as you have implied, then no accounts of the Prophet PBUH and the Companions can be taken as evidence or historical fact.

The difference with Islam and all other religions of this world is that the Word of God, the teachings and sayings of the Prophet PBUH and third party witness accounts, have all been kept seperate from one another.