diwana
February 13, 2011, 2:36am
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Re: Can pure Islamic thinking only exist in underdeveloped or repressive environments
ravage:
Sorry my writing confuses you. Im afraid not everything can be written in bullet form. You again made several defensive suppositions that I wont bother correcting. If you cant discuss the issue, that sucks for me, but I’ll survive.
As did I! I already asked the same question in light of your presentation of history i.e. different regions had power at different times, at one point it was Islam, and Islam was projecting the ideas of the age. That just means that other religions would have had to grapple with this question.
No, Islam doesnt have an issue with development.. everyone wants development I think the conflict is between Islam and modernity (and modernity is correlated with development ). Aspects of it you say are compatible, I never questioned that. I’ve constantly been saying that there are different approaches to synthesizing/adapting/rejecting the two types of thinking, and this effort will dominate intellectual thought.
I agree. I dont consider imperialism or faux-imperialism in the least better. Modernity does not imply that I am flattering them, unfortunately the assumption by many is that I am saying modernity->civilized. While American/Colonial imperialism was a demand to ‘convert’ it was not a religious demand (which is lets it be modern). And while Islamism does have that demand to convert, its not coming from a Muslim state.
Im afraid there are far too many bridges of context to cross between you and me. There were fewer with kakaballi therefore I tried to correct where he was missing the point or operating with an incorrect understanding of these concepts. With you, unless you can point to specific things where you think there is confusion, I cannot indulge you.
Thanks for acknowledging the difference of position between me and you on some points you raised but then your statements kept going in many directions. I already posted above why I had problem the way you brought your statements. I sincerely gave it a chance to have good discussion.
Anyhow, till you clearly state what you are trying to say, I will keep enjoying your enlightening posts in this thread.
