Re: Can Pakistan rid itself of religious fanaticism?
i think the meaning of words is important, and while I understand the sort of loose usage you're adopting I dont think its a good one. you are propogating the same dynamic you decry. You dont like being labelled a mulla (presumably) but you call the other side liberal fanatics. Even if you dont intend to, what this does is it conflates people who do advocate genuinely liberal ideas, such as freedom of expression and change in blasphemy laws etc with 'fanatics' you believe to back the killing of children.
With respect to why people who are justifying Taseer's killing are labelled Mullas... if they offer a religious justification for his killing, they are behaving in the same way as a large group of Mullas did. That they are tarred as Mullas is justifiable and relatively accurate as a pejorative. Conversely, defending drone attacks on children or lal masjid etc is not an automatically liberal position, the rationales offered are not 'liberal' in ideology. So unless it is a point of view of a majority of liberals (for which you have no basis) it isnt accurate to call it a liberal point of view.
So the hasty equivalence of lets get rid of liberal fanaticism and lets get rid of religious fanaticism doesnt wash. You can ask to get rid of support for specific issues such as drone attacks and lal masjid without calling it liberal fanaticism. On the other hand it is completely accurate to call what the murderer did, and what suicide bombers do religious fanaticism (given their stated motivations), and it is imperative to get rid of it.
Lets be clear, liberal ideas are causing not in any way shape or form the kind of harm to this country in comparison to certain religious ideas.
Re: Can Pakistan rid itself of religious fanaticism?
Lets be clear, liberal ideas are causing not in any way shape or form the kind of harm to this country in comparison to certain religious ideas.
Now that is your definition dude. We cant make it a universal truth. There are more civilians who got killed in drone attacks in Pakistan than people killed by suicide bombers in Pakistan. You cant win a numbers arguement here and blame one group for all the deaths or harms.
Re: Can Pakistan rid itself of religious fanaticism?
Now that is your definition dude. We cant make it a universal truth. There are more civilians who got killed in drone attacks in Pakistan than people killed by suicide bombers in Pakistan. You cant win a numbers arguement here and blame one group for all the deaths or harms.
drone attacks are not a 'liberal idea' by any definition.
Re: Can Pakistan rid itself of religious fanaticism?
A liberal idea is an idea that is a part of, or derived from liberal ideologies. Alternatively it could be accurate in zaban-e-aam to call an idea ‘liberal’ if it is propagated by a majority of liberals. From the thread you linked the following is clear:
9 people backed drone attacks continuing. Since the poll is not a public one, I have no means of verifying whether these are nine distinct people. But assuming that to be the case (since I am generous), I will note that far more people are adopting the ‘liberal’ position on the Salman Taseer issue, far more people are debating and condeming the ‘Mullas’ (if thats what makes them ‘liberal’) than the 9 posters from that poll. Also I just skimmed through the first two pages and I found atleast 5 posters who voted ‘no’ and I know to have liberal opinions.
On evidence of that thread there is no basis to call ‘drone attacks’ a liberal idea.
Re: Can Pakistan rid itself of religious fanaticism?
Using such a limited sample (9 for, 5 against), and not knowing the ideology of who voted yes and who voted no, how one comes to the conclusion that support for the continuation of the drone attack is a liberal ideology escapes me.