Can Pakistan respond to future hot pursuits by US.

Shouldn’t Pakistan have bargained for more before the start of this one-way journey? Is it possible to tell US to go away, if things are not done the way Pakistan want them to be, to its satisfaction? Or, in other words do they have any choice in this matter.

Pakistan-US engagement: The un-addressed questions
Nasim Zehra

This is how the government of Pakistan responded when a US F-16 fighter jet dropped a 500-pound bomb on Pakistan’s territory – no response, a haphazard one marked by contradictions and finally ‘its all been taken care of’. The United States, whose officer who radioed airpower to drop a bomb on Pakistani territory, responded differently. First a verbal offensive through a mid-level Bagram-based US spokeswoman was launched, who categorically stated that the US government retains the right to hot pursuit. As usual the United States government was out with their version of the incident first. Marked by the chronic problem of lack of coordination among national security institutions, principally the armed forces, the Foreign Office and the Ministry of Interior, different ministries of the government of Pakistan sent out different signals. A Pakistani spokesman was instructed to even refute the fact that Pakistani territory was bombed – a fact which contradicted the US announcement that a madrassa on the Pakistani territory was in fact bombed.

The Pakistan government’s approach to information management, a critical tool for policy formulation, conduct and projection, is very hard to understand. Holding back information unless pushed to bring it to the open is the principle it follows. For example, it was only 48 hours after President General Pervez Musharraf spoke to the US Secretary of State about the Durand Line incident that the contents of the conversation were made public. The decision to make it public was made after the Pakistani press began carrying reports on the tension the incident had created in the mid-level Pakistan-US ranks involved in the anti-terrorist operations.

Even then only partial information was conveyed to the Pakistani public. Reportedly, Powell told the President that the statement by the US Defence Department spokesperson regarding the right to hot pursuit was highly regrettable. Issues of success and failure and inter-institutional rivalry linked to the anti-terrorist operation do exist within the US government. CENTCOM has not delivered. Of the 60 ‘top al-Qaeda and Talibaan wanted men’, only two have been apprehended. There is dissatisfaction within sections of the US administration with CENTCOM commander Tommy Franks. However, as the lead man in the future Iraq operation, his position is secure.

However, none of these issues become newsworthy. Only name-calling, the anti-Pakistan blame game and the irresponsible attacking rhetoric qualify as headline news. US, the more confident, the one with an institutionalised approach and the one that is more accountable at home, launches the offensive. In Pakistan, we tend to derive comfort from telephone calls alone, from personalised assurances and apologies. This is an erroneous approach. Pakistan should have demanded a public apology for the bomb attack. Private apologies do not sustain national pride nor do private assurances enhance national dignity.

“You Pakistanis should learn to stand up and say no, you should say thus far and no more,” or “you reduce yourselves to a back pocket wallet of the Americans, they reach out for you when they need you, always on their own terms,” is how a former senior State Department official and Congressional researcher laid down the problem with Pakistan in its relationship with the US.

These are our follies because they take us towards a derivative mindset, one that makes us believe that we can guarantee Pakistan’s security, to some extent, as a loyal partner of the US. After all the support that Pakistan has extended to the United States at this juncture is unprecedented in the history of Pakistan-US relations. Indeed even when we were labelled as the most ‘allied ally’ of the US in the fifties, when we were signatories to the anti-Communist SEATO and CENTO Pacts, not one tenth of this active support to the US was given.

Today Pakistan has made its personnel, air, land and sea available for the US operation. Around 70,000 Pakistani troops have been deployed in the tribal belt to facilitate the US-led operation to capture al-Qaeda and Taliban men. Today US forces, almost 800 troops, are located in four Pakistani bases including Jacobabad and Pasni. Over 443, mostly foreigners, have been captured from the Pakistani territory. Afghan-based missile-armed UAVs enter the Pakistani territory to monitor supposedly al-Qaeda movement and to target potential ‘enemy’.

Ironically, the quid pro quo was more solid then than what it is now. It was the era of the cold war and Pakistan did get military and economic support. Let us see what all was denied to us in this round. Pakistan is not a trusted ally hence no military sales can be made to it. General Musharraf was advised to not even raise this issue with the US President. US loan not written off and market access to the Pakistani textile industry was not granted. These denials contrasted with the confidence certain key officials in Pakistan had regarding the quid pro quo that Washington would deliver once Pakistan joins Washington’s anti-terrorist coalition.

The issue is not of engaging with the US. That we should have. Only we sold ourselves cheap right from the start. Our prompt agreement, in less than twenty four hours, to the US ‘request’ for military and intelligence support in the post 9/11 phase and subsequently the non-institutional approach adopted while negotiating the quid pro quo package with the US, ensured that we will subsequently be faced with today’s situation. The terms of engagement between the US and Pakistan were never clearly enunciated. Yes, detailed systems of checks and control for the military aspect of the operation were put into place but was the political message of ‘thus far and no further’ was even given to the United States. No, not in clear terms.

In Pakistan, the armed forces have remained the prime and the most powerful constituency of the US. For historical reasons it has been in the forefront of national security policy formulation. Today a well coordinated and thought-through policy for engaging with the US and indeed other states is essential. It is unbecoming of a 140 million strong, nuclear-armed and strategically located Pakistan to not generate the intellectual power required to formulate viable policies. Neither name calling the US nor a military-oriented uni-dimensional relationship with it will help promote Pakistan’s security on a durable basis.

There are after all national security issues relating to intangibles like national sovereignty, dignity and honour that are important. What is happening in Lahore --twice in the last eight weeks? After Dr Amir Aziz, another doctor and his family members picked up by FBI in a dacoit-kind of operation. There are compulsions of cooperation that a state may have to opt for at a given time but NEVER at the cost of the rule of law or undermining the security of its own citizens. We must examine the contrasting approach that the US has adopted – it is making its own domestic laws stringent, almost humiliating for foreigners, now including our own citizens on INS registration. This, the US believes, will enhance the security of its own citizens.

Meanwhile in Pakistan the extension of security-searching for US citizens translates into lack of security, lack of dignity and psychological vulnerability of Pakistani citizens. There are issues admittedly related to international security matters that have spun off from the anti-Soviet covert-overt war that was authored and executed by US-led western powers and Pakistan. However, there has to be a correct, mutually acceptable way of dealing with the problem. Uni-lateralism of the US extends to the lack of dignity, breach of human rights of Pakistanis and undermining of national dignity and sovereignty. This should not be acceptable. A proper system should be put in place to conduct such operations.

No, Pakistan cannot do anything, soon Indian troops will be facing Americans across the Line of Control. Offer them some beer.

Oops that danger coming our way, I did not go that far in my thoughts. Lets deal with first comes first and see whether Pakistan can do something about its Honor and Dignity (whatever is left). And Pak's Minister was right when he warned US that Pakistan is not Afghanistan, in the sense that even prehistorically armed/unnucleared Afghanistan chose to give a fight to US than kneeling without a whimper.

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Oops that danger coming our way, I did not go that far in my thoughts. Lets deal with first comes first and see whether Pakistan can do something about its Honor and Dignity (whatever is left). And Pak's Minister was right when he warned US that Pakistan is not Afghanistan, in the sense that even prehistorically armed/unnucleared Afghanistan chose to give a fight to US than kneeling without a whimper.
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Who needs honour and dignity in Pakistan, when India has such an abundance of it? Our lack of it is made up by all the great honour and dignity that India is hoarding up.

Its hallmark and patent of Pakistan that they bring in the matter of 'Honor and dignity' in whatever they say. You can pick up any speech or any article and see for yourself how Pakistan feel challenged about its falling honor in everything that happens. E.G., see the article posted above and see how many times she has asked for resumption of Pakistan's honour and dignity. Cheers.

Here is a reason why Pakistan cannot stop US : "You are with us or with them, you clean your country or we will clean it for you", remember!!

Yes, we are with Bush. He is our new god. We will construct a new statue in his likeness and present it food and gold.

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*Originally posted by dhir: *
Oops that danger coming our way, I did not go that far in my thoughts. Lets deal with first comes first and see whether Pakistan can do something about its Honor and Dignity (whatever is left). And Pak's Minister was right when he warned US that Pakistan is not Afghanistan, in the sense that even prehistorically armed/unnucleared Afghanistan chose to give a fight to US than kneeling without a whimper.
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A Time article on Pak after 9/11 quoted a Paki citizen saying "Pakistan is an Afganistan with electricity"

Well seems like a prophecy slowly coming......

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Who needs honour and dignity in Pakistan, when India has such an abundance of it? Our lack of it is made up by all the great honour and dignity that India is hoarding up.
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Just ask for it dear & we'l show you how to find some, that's if you want some. If you are happy , we are happy.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Yes, we are with Bush. He is our new god. We will construct a new statue in his likeness and present it food and gold.
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You are off dear, Bush dosen't like food & gold. Right now he wants to
scalp Saddam, like he scalped the poor Talibs. WoZ nxt I wndr.

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A Time article on Pak after 9/11 quoted a Paki citizen saying "Pakistan is an Afganistan with electricity"

Well seems like a prophecy slowly coming......
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Then India must be an Afghanistan without electrcity. Is your country still interested in buying electricity from us?

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*Originally posted by AbdulButt: *
You are off dear, Bush dosen't like food & gold. Right now he wants to
scalp Saddam, like he scalped the poor Talibs. WoZ nxt I wndr.
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Every mortal likes food and gold.

Americans are friends of none.They are their own friends.Once they find that Pakistan's utility is over,they will show their true colors.They have already started.

Deekay, in that case the question is, knowing fully well that America is friend of no-one, why did Pakistan chose to bow so low, without any solid benefits. Was it the threat from US?

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Then India must be an Afghanistan without electrcity. Is your country still interested in buying electricity from us?
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Nopes. Offer Expired. We found lots of gas & are finding more by the day . We want to import the white cloth & head bands that these guys in Arabia wear, My Dear . Watch out for the global tender.If you wanna buy gas just drop by with the cheque. Thanks for asking though, you guys still care after 50 years. Any way where's that Shareef guy your PM or some thing who sold us a lot of good sugar, cheap, was said to be from is own mills, subsidized by the tax payers. heard some Badmash buy with a gun packed him off to the hot sand dunes. What a Guy.love to hear from you Chappie. Best O' luck & take care.Will Ya.

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Every mortal likes food and gold.
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He's a Yankee & he thinks he is immortal. He's his fathers son & he's got a tough brother down where the big funny rat lives "Florida" & they got kids.

This one makes interesting read:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30370
Our ‘friends’ in Pakistan

You may have missed the news on the holiday, but on New Year’s Eve the Pentagon announced the U.S. dropped a 500-pound bomb on Pakistani troops near the border of Afghanistan.

It wasn’t an accident.

Pakistani troops had fired on U.S. forces which have been pursuing al-Qaida terrorists and remnants of their Taliban supporters who frequently run over to Pakistan to escape U.S. search-and-destroy missions.

Why would Pakistani troops come to the aid of the terrorists? Because they have been doing it for a long time.

Despite Islamabad’s sworn allegiance to the cause of the terror war, the truth is that some Pakistani troops and intelligence agents continue to support the guerrillas loyal to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Pakistan gave birth to the Taliban and it is having a tough time disinheriting its offspring.

Washington is loath to make anything out of the incident. Islamabad is playing it down. But it is a troubling reminder that the Afghanistan theater of operations is far from closed.

While this may be the first time we had to drop a 500-pound bomb on Pakistani soil, there are many other clashes taking place daily in Afghanistan that illustrate this war is far from over.

Last week, WorldNetDaily published a story based on intelligence reports that show we’ve got problems not only with Pakistani cooperation but also the stability of the new government in Kabul.

Attacks on U.S. troops and positions aren’t causing high numbers of casualties, but they are taking their toll on confidence and morale. On the eve of an expected attack on Iraq, it’s a bad time for such a development.

One intelligence report indicates Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyr, who has urged a jihad against U.S. troops, commands as many as 50,000 militiamen. U.S. forces have been looking for Hekmatyr for some time, but he is often on the move. Hekmatyr’s goals are clear – overthrowing President Hamid Karzai and chasing U.S. forces out of the country.

And, of course, there’s still the little matter of bin Laden himself. He’s never been found – and that was a key objective of the war.

The skirmishes all have one thing in common – they come from the direction of Pakistan, where remnants of al-Qaida and the Taliban movement have found refuge in the lawless tribal areas that hug the border.

Despite sweeps by U.S. combat troops through the frontier region, the number of rocket attacks on U.S. bases and outposts in Khost and the neighboring border provinces has remained consistently high – about 50 per month since the summer.** Guerrillas inside Pakistan are beginning to sneak into Afghanistan for brief hits, according to U.S. military sources. **

**Both U.S. troops and Afghan government forces say they would like to chase the attackers into Pakistan and destroy their bases. **But the U.S. alliance with Pakistan prohibits such cross-border raids. Thus, the torment continues.

**The only thing exceptional with regard to the latest attack is that the U.S. did pursue the attackers – even on Pakistani soil. **

America has been through a war where the rules of engagement prohibited pursuits across borders. It was a war in which we won every battle by any military standard you want to use. But we lost the war because the military was forbidden by politicians from taking actions necessary to achieve victory.

Is anyone eager to repeat that mistake?

If not, we need to get a few things straight with our “friends” in Pakistan. The Taliban and al-Qaida need to be destroyed – not just chased, not just harassed, not just pursued.

President Bush laid out a simple and clear warning after Sept. 11 – you’re either with us or against us. There’s no middle ground. Islamabad needs to use its own military to clean up the mess on its border with Afghanistan or we need to do it for them.

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Then India must be an Afghanistan without electrcity. Is your country still interested in buying electricity from us?
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Not to mention the food for the 500 million starving Indians.

These 'Muslim Burnig Hindis' talk about diginity, whereas, they go around burning thousands of innocent unarmed Muslims and violate the womb of Muslim women, ripping their unborn babies apart.

Good Ol' whining Indians.

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Not to mention the food for the 500 million starving Indians.

These 'Muslim Burnig Hindis' talk about diginity, whereas, they go around burning thousands of innocent unarmed Muslims and violate the womb of Muslim women, ripping their unborn babies apart.

Good Ol' whining Indians.
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look at th both leaders who proudly proclaim wiping out each other.

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Oops that danger coming our way, I did not go that far in my thoughts. Lets deal with first comes first and see whether Pakistan can do something about its Honor and Dignity (whatever is left). And Pak's Minister was right when he warned US that Pakistan is not Afghanistan, in the sense that even prehistorically armed/unnucleared Afghanistan chose to give a fight to US than kneeling without a whimper.
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This is just ****e. Fact is US can probably take on the rest of the world if it wants to so the only thing that can be achieved by going to war with them is bombs falling on our cities. That might make you happy or maybe someone else, but responsible leaders have to look out for their citizens first. What would you suggest if it was India bearing in mind your lot didn't have the balls to take on a smaller nation, i.e. us?