i have been seeing of late a lot of jingoism from people who i thought were balanced and level-headed. such people think anything positive between pak and ind should be avoided. the reason being that india is our enemy. i sincerely ask, didnt allah create the very same people you loathe so much? if u worship allah truly and respect him all you can, how could you be so judgmental against his own creations? the funny part is such people pose impartiality by claiming to have had indian friends. you know what such people suck big time. at least learn to lie well or better dont lie at all. i used to be a BIG pakistani baiter when i was in the “well”. jab us aane ka mauka mila, i happened to meet some pakistanis and even started on friendships with some.
i can now claim that i cannot make blind comments against pakistan just like that because i know quite a lot about pakistan now. of course at times if some smarta$$ ridicules my country on gs, i will be forced to retort even though i will regret it later. but these few people i am talking about, they are always obsessed with india does this and india does that and how that is gonna hurt pakistan, even if it was a collaborative measure. i am like get a life! u are not an uneducated sadak-chhap that makes wild conspiracy theories uparwale ne dimagh diya hai soch samajh ke baat karne ke liye.
if u are wondering what made me write all this, i just read a long impassioned speech about how free trade will hurt pakistan from a guppan (whom i used to respect a lot for the maturity and wisdom i perceived in her) . but then i have also noticed other otherwise intelligent guppans/guppies living in goebbelsian fantasies. i am seriously worried. if this is the haalat of padhe-likhe log then anpadh ganwaar logon ka kya haal hoga?
well hello did u read my post? did i say indians r bad ppl? i said i dont feel comfortable with the idea of free trade BECAUSE i have sensed that indians have a dream for united india and this could be a step for them to go towards cultural colonisation and eventual amalgamation of india & pak
its not a secret that indians played a role in the division of pak in 1971 and the creation of bangladesh either
this “maa-bhrat” dream thing is a reality and i have sensed this much from a lot of indians. they do have this thought process. and they have a right to think whatever they want but we got Pakistan after a lot of struggle and we shud think ten times before opening our doors to any such situation.
and well having friends on an individual basis is a different matter, but as far as national thinking and psyche is concerned, thats completely different. i have even had discussions with indian friends on this topic but i prefer not to talk abt thorny topics coz why have a fight on these silly political issues when it comes to personal relationships, surely there’s a lot more positive stuff to talk about and share.
achcha so u didnt say indians are bad people? so someone u call ENEMY is good then? yeh kaisa logic hai dost?
waesay i am hurt when i think of all those things that happened in kargil war. i get enraged when i remember what u guys did to major saurabh kalia and his men. but i can forget all of that as a bad dream. aakhir we have to live in the present not in the past. jo ho gaya so ho gaya ab uska kuchh nahin kar sakte.
i dont want my kids to still talk about century-old enmities. true i myself might have sometimes brought up historical crime elsewhere but on the whole i want to forget all of that as something that has happened and is over.
and whats this akhand bharat crap?? not every indian thinks so. in fact the majority dont even care what happens to pakistan. in a few decades indian kids wont even know what is pakistan. the few idiots that think of an india from attock to assam are half-a$$ed bjp guys who live in dreams. rest assured u guys have ur version too in mma who think about mughalstan and the like. btw if u happened to meet such indians i am sorry its ur misfortune but trust me every single indian i know has far more things to worry in life than to even think of his nation forget about pakistan or godknowswhereistan.
desibanda…at the national level India is our enemy. hello? i think everyone knows that! :halo:
doesn’t mean we have to hate all Indians or they have to hate us. but there is a clash in foreign policy matters and everyone knows that.
we can’t just bury our necks in the sand and say kashmir issue doesn’t exist. it will be a better idea to acknowledge it and solve it if we really want to become friends.
i said indians r not bad ppl coz when i met indians and they were my friends they treated me very nicely. baat khatam. i will always have good memories of them and thats part of the reason i wish there wasnt this enmity b/w india and pak.
as for war excesses … they were committed from both sides.
as for akhand bharat…i dont know…i have heard a lot of indians talk abt that..or atleast its one of those dreams they hold on to i could be wrong tho, i dont know
btw, i am neither balanced nor level headed. i am highly prejudiced and irrational :D
and education didn't cure the deformities in my brain :D
kitaabein parhnay se koi behtar insaan nai ban jata
there u go at it again, india is ur enemy then why have diplomatic relations with the enemy? i to agree that kashmir is an issue no matter who started it but u are extending it to the level of india being an enemy. whereas a country that is perceived as strongly anti-muslim by all and sundry is ur staunch friend?? kaisa insaf hai yeh??
what has pakistan done in recent years to lessen the tension in kashmir? india reduced the troops in kashmir but what happened? u thanked that with more militants and shelling across the border. we called u mfn (if u know what that means) and u refused to reciprocate. we opened our roads and rails but u never offered to reciprocate elsewhere. how good would it be to have road links from delhi to lahore and isb? bombay to karachi sea lane? but no yeh sab appko reluctantly karna pad raha hai because people like you brand india as enemy. something that automatically closes the doors to any further progress.
kitabein zaroor dimagh aur insaniyat nahin detin magar tarbiat (jo kisi bhi talim ka hissa hai) aadmi ko aur behtar banata hai. wahi tarbiet jo kisi gaanv mein kisi gay-bail ke pichhwade ko ponchnewale bande ko nahin milta. ayi fark samajh mein?
btw, u shud congratulate me for the near-perfect urdu i have composed ^^
thats one good thing i have gained thanks to gs
WE r the ones who changed our position on the kashmir issue. the thing we never budged on. we budged on that. what bigger sacrifice could there have been on pak’s part?
khair, im not the best person to debate on this since my knowledge abt details of political issues is not deep, so maybe u shud debate on this with someone else
No, you’re absolutely right. Pakistan has done much more than India to reduce tensions in Kashmir.
India has merely removed soldiers, but the parts of Indian law that prevent the Indian government from renouncing its claim over all of Kashmir remain. By contrast, Pakistan has basically stated that Pakistan is wiling to not challenge Indian control over parts of Kashmir - whereas before Pakistan claimed all of Indian-held Kahsmir was held illegitimately.
What India could do to reduce tension is announce that it’s willing to be flexible on kashmir, and change its laws to permit an Indian government to be flexible on Kashmir.
On the other hand, that’s not likeyl to happen until the Indian public stop seeing Pakistan as the enemy, which is where cricket diplomacy and free trade between India and Pakistan play their part.
When India and Pakistan negotiate over Kashmir as friends, without national pride as stake, is when both countries will compromise the most and be able to come up with a lasting peace.
well there was a move to convert loc to border during the last govt but it dint come through. this time though we can hope to see a permanent end to all hostilities. we have an indian pakistani prez and a pakistani indian pm so hopefully they shud be able to sort things out.
ok i think u can give me some rest by not replying for some time. its 3 am here appko kya hai its like 1 pm (and all that heat and sweat in khi :D). j/k.
thats what sleep does to u. zyada socho mat. u are the one that called china a christian country. jo kaanch ke ghar mein rehte hain unhein bahar ke logon par patthar nahin phenkne chahiyen. oh there goes the dude with his urdu
. but then i have also noticed other otherwise intelligent guppans/guppies living in goebbelsian fantasies. i am seriously worried. if this is the haalat of padhe-likhe log then anpadh ganwaar logon ka kya haal hoga? 
i could be wrong tho, i dont know
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