Oh not again 
What to do, yaar?
The same peeps keep raising the same issues!
Salaam hafeez 123, good to have you back, bro.....
That message dated from 6-3...
By now I've figured out that Ahmadie's didn't change the Quranic verses but do have a different interpretation...
For the answers of your questions, please feel free to catch up on posts in other threads where similar questions were asked....
I'm tired of this...
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*Originally posted by sadya: *
Salaam hafeez 123, good to have you back, bro.....
That message dated from 6-3...
By now I've figured out that Ahmadie's didn't change the Quranic verses but do have a different interpretation...
For the answers of your questions, please feel free to catch up on posts in other threads where similar questions were asked....
I'm tired of this...
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Thanks for CORRECTING yourself.
I guess you fiqured out the difference between following the quran and following a mujthid/Imam like the FOUR sunni Imams/mujthahids.
The followers of al as sunnah follow interpretations of quran and especially sunnah as attributed by their scholars.
If Ahl as sunnah can follow their scholars with their own TWIST about islam then, so can the Ahmediyas and the submitters.
Btw - I am never tired of this. Ten years from now, we'll be still talking about the same thing. Such is the state of the ummah!
Even though this topic has been discussed to death & the search engine of gupshup will attest to that fact, there is one side topic that has never been covered.
That is; calling someone a Non-Muslim, compared to calling some a Kafir has a difference. Even though most people consider it essentially the same thing, but in fact from a doctrinal point of view there are significant differences between the implications of the two statements.
Throughout history of Islam, the decree of kufar had been publicized by one group against the other but never have been a decree of being Non-Muslims.
Another interesting thing to note is that the people being declared as kafirs accept the disbelief of which they are being accused of. For example, certain sects consider the other kafirs for considering certain verses of Quran as abrogated, that particular group indeed attests to such a belief, though argues they are true in their interpretation. Some who do not hold Hadiths as dear are considered kafir, and that group accepts the objection against them of being munkar-e-Hadiths!
But in case of Ahmadis, we deny ALL the allegations against us which are given as the basis of calling us kafirs, yet the accusers insist on passing such decrees.
(1) Ahmadis are accused of changing the Kalma. NOT TRUE! Instead Ahmadis are persecuted & thrown in jail for saying Lailaha Illalah Muhammadur Rasoolallah.
(2) Ahmadis are accused of not considering the Holy Prophet (saw) khatam-un-nabiyeen. NOT TRUE. Instead this belief is very pivotal to the Ahmadiyya belief. One cannot be a member of Ahmadiyya jama'at unless he testifies his belief in the Holy prophet as Khatam-un-Nabiyeen. Instead Ahmadis have a very broad (compared to the very limited understanding of main stream Muslim's belief) understanding of this noble & great attribute of the Holy prophet.
(3) Ahmadis are accused of considering Mirza Sahib Holier than AnHazoor (saw). (Naozubillah min Zaliq) Ahmadis take big offense to that and fervently deny it. Mirza Sahib repeatedly in his writings consider the Holy Prophet his master, his teacher and after Allah his everything! If his followers called Mirza Sahib a Moon, they consider the Holy Prophet (saw) the Sun, i.e. all the beauty of Mirza Sahib is nothing but the reflection of his Master, the Holy Prophet (saw).
(4) They are accused of changing the Qur'an. NOT TRUE. Instead, the service of Quran, in terms of publishing in the 100s of different languages of the World & then providing such translations in the remote areas of Africa, East Asia & South America is done by Ahmadis.
(5) They are accused of abrogating Jihad-bi-saif. NOT TRUE. Instead, Ahmadis insist that Jihad-bi-saif can only be waged if the conditions as prescribed by the Holy Quran fulfills such injunction. None of the political or social wars can be justified under Jihad (though maybe justified for other reasons).
And the list goes on.
^^ but what do u mean by Khatam un Nabayeen
Some day a go a read a reply of Amhadi Guppie who said This doesnt mean(na auzo billah) holy Prophet(PBUH) is the last prophet ....so.....what does it meant then
Quote by Mauzzam
INFACT " There is a Quote in Quran " He who Think can wirte a worse like this make it and prove" (this quote is not complete)
i think the guppie friend is trying to say tht some verse conveys a message like this but this not the exact verse