Cameron vs Cro, Aus vs Hol, Spn vs Chile

[Shak]

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@Sentry

Englanddddddddddddddddddddddddd! We gonna win

Gonna have to watch the match at work

streaming?

[Sentry]

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@Shak

Andy Carol and Costa don’t even compare. The latter destroyed every team in his league and Europe and was BIG part of his team winning the title while the former was very poor and managed 2 goals in first 20 games and was so bad his **7th place team **shipped him out.

Unfortunately we have to talk about positions, name me one striker other than Messi or Ronaldo who has been good playing out of position. Its the same reason Rooney has been poor for Utd and England. You seem very knowledgeable so I am a stunned at your POV.

You cannot expect to throw a striker on a wing and an AMC on the wing and then call them a flop. One of whom still managed to be in the top assists chart.

Costa’s class for Spain still is unclear. For club its undisputed. You cannot judge players on how they perform internationally. Otherwise Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney, Beckham, Suarez, Ferdinand, Carrick, Giggs etc they’re all pants and flops.

I think they do compare, cause they are both flops. Costa is just another striker. Could have put alan shearer up there and atl madrid would still have won. You know why? Cause the rest of the team were perfect. Not cause costa was a good striker.

Rooney is one and not only does he play out of position, he makes an impact in defence aswell. What about costa? What has he ever done that is notable with the exception of this season? Even this season he is pretty average to me.

Okay fine, if I can’t judge them on international careers I can judge them since they have been a professional player which costa has been for the past 8yrs and achieved nothing.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

Come on yaar, Torres had 2 fantastic seasons at Liverpool as a young player even tho those were marred by injury. He used to get Liverpool out of trouble singlehandedly.

I gotta disagree. He only had 1 outta 3 above average seasons with liverpool.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

You can start by getting the name right.

Lols. Was wondering aswell if he meant just costa haha.

[Shak]

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@Sentry

I think they do compare, cause they are both flops. Costais just another striker. Could have put alan shearer up there and atl madrid would still have won. You know why? Cause the rest of the team were perfect. Not cause costa was a good striker.

Rooney is one and not only does he play out of position, he makes an impact in defence aswell. What about costa? What has he ever done that is notable with the exception of this season? Even this season he is pretty average to me.

Okay fine, if I can’t judge them on international careers I can judge them since they have been a professional player which costa has been for the past 8yrs and achieved nothing.

Well neither did Aguero when he played for them, nor did Falcao, doesn’t mean they’re crap. The fact he is the main man at the team which has done the unthinkable and won the league and ALSO destroyed England’s second best team in the CL and ALMOST won the CL title…he is class. Cazorla was anonymous all last decade but now is a star man, are you telling me he’s crap as well? You’re the only one who loves Carroll. Liverpool fans hated him, we have on GS as well. I am going say you love him because you support Utd. And Carroll’s shocking performances since have validated my opinion. How you can compare one striker who has done it all, even for one season, in his league and Champions league to a failure who never did anything for Liverpool or any club he played after is beyond belief.

Costa has been average because a striker wasn’t being played as a striker. He was being played as a winger. Its the reason Rooney is very poor for Utd at times, he’s being thrown about every other position than the one he is meant to. Costa was thrown at the position he is meant to play at for one season, and he has not only destroyed teams in his league and Europe but has helped his team do the unthinkable and reach the league final. For Athletico, ATHLETICO that is unbelievable. For that only he deserves accolade after accolade. I cannot believe the word ‘flop’ even comes into the equation. After all this atleast give him a chance! Its a simple thing. Someone of your knowledge about football should get it.

As for Torres, you’re the only person again who seems to think that. Since considering who you support I am going to say that its natural for you to dislike Torres

[Sentry]

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@Shak

I respect your POV but you are the first one bashing Costa across the web. Considering how many football forums I browse this is saying something

He’s getting ripped on twitter. Some of the memes are funneh

The ref could add on 6hrs and Spain wouldn’t score. .. woeful defence of their trophy… shambolic .. #Costa](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Costa?src=hash) looks like a #Soldado](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Soldado?src=hash) to me.

The two people I would blame for Spain’s exit would be, Diego Costa & Iker Casillas. Probably the two most important positions in football.

Diego Costa must really be regretting his decision to play for Spain instead of Scotland.

Diego Costa’s plan to sabotage Spain has worked wonderfully.

Costa deserves it. Changed nationality and now none of brazil/spain fans like him. And he just joined Chelsea

It’s Torres time! The Chelsea striker comes on for Costa. Wonder what Spain fans think of that…#WorldCup2014](https://twitter.com/hashtag/WorldCup2014?src=hash) pic.twitter.com/Acu8WI5fAK

Costa hasn’t got a clue how to play with Spain.

Diego Costa must be feeling like a prickkkk for switching to play for Spain from Brazil. These hoes ain’t loyal

How the hell is Diego Costa the #1 striker of Spain’s national team? Doesn’t fit in.

Call me crazy if you want but Diego Costa is the main reason why Spain can’t run a decent tactic to score. He’s useless up front.

Forget Neymar. Costa is Brazil’s golden boy. A superb undercover agent destroying Spain from within. #WorldCup14](https://twitter.com/hashtag/WorldCup14?src=hash)

[Shak]

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Other than 2 or 3 most of them seem to be telling Costa that playing for Spain was a mistake and he should have played with Brazil.

That is basically calling Spain rubbish and not him. So how does your point even stand?

Tell me one thing. Were Spain’s tactics perfect?

A yes or no for a start.

If yes then I agree with everything you say.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

streaming?

Lol nope. TV

[Shak]

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And again you’re judging a player on international performances…

I take it Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney et all are pants as well. Atleast Costa is in good company.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

Other than 2 or 3 most of them seem to be telling Costa that playing for Spain was a mistake and he should have played with Brazil.

That is basically calling Spain rubbish and not him. So how does your point even stand?

Tell me one thing. Were Spain’s tactics perfect?

A yes or no for a start.

If yes then I agree with everything you say.

I just quoted the first page I saw. I don’t have time to go through a million tweets. They are all obviously taking the piss outta costa by claiming he’s the sole reason spain lost cause he’s **** and he could have just played for brazil and been **** like neymar

Yes I think their tactics were fine, it was there choice in striker that led to their downfall.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

And again you’re judging a player on international performances…

I take it Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney et all are pants as well. Atleast Costa is in good company.

Rooney and ronaldo are class. Costa isn’t

Bruv. Other than this season. What has costa done which makes him “class”?

[Sentry]

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@Shak

Well neither did Aguero when he played for them, nor did Falcao, doesn’t mean they’re crap. The fact he is the main man at the team which has done the unthinkable and won the league and ALSO destroyed England’s second best team in the CL and ALMOST won the CL title…he is class. Cazorla was anonymous all last decade but now is a star man, are you telling me he’s crap as well? You’re the only one who loves Carroll. Liverpool fans hated him, we have on GS as well. I am going say you love him because you support Utd. And Carroll’s shocking performances since have validated my opinion. How you can compare one striker who has done it all, even for one season, in his league and Champions league to a failure who never did anything for Liverpool or any club he played after is beyond belief.

Costa has been average because a striker wasn’t being played as a striker. He was being played as a winger. Its the reason Rooney is very poor for Utd at times, he’s being thrown about every other position than the one he is meant to. Costa was thrown at the position he is meant to play at for one season, and he has not only destroyed teams in his league and Europe but has helped his team do the unthinkable and reach the league final. For Athletico, ATHLETICO that is unbelievable. For that only he deserves accolade after accolade. I cannot believe the word ‘flop’ even comes into the equation. After all this atleast give him a chance! Its a simple thing. Someone of your knowledge about football should get it.

As for Torres, you’re the only person again who seems to think that. Since considering who you support I am going to say that its natural for you to dislike Torres

I don’t love caroll, I hate caroll and i’m comparing one flop to another.

Aguero is crap.

Costa didn’t destroy chelsea, it was atl madrids defence and midfield. Costa did nothing worthy of mentioning that another striker couldn’t do.

Why would I love caroll if I support utd? If you wanted to offend me you could just call me a suarez lover. That would slightly annoy me.

How has costa “done it all”? Lmao. One season doesn’t make you a superstar unless your name is costa or caroll, and turn into flops.

Costa is such a flop and it will be proven next season what a fraud he is. I’m shocked you think cause one player and mostly due to his teams doing getting into the CL final means the striker is the bees knees. One season means nothing. If he did it again and again it will prove a point but the dude has been playing 8yrs and never done anything.

[Shak]

@Sentry:10051349

@""Shak""

Other than 2 or 3 most of them seem to be telling Costa that playing for Spain was a mistake and he should have played with Brazil.

That is basically calling Spain rubbish and not him. So how does your point even stand?

Tell me one thing. Were Spain’s tactics perfect?

A yes or no for a start.

If yes then I agree with everything you say.

I just quoted the first page I saw. I don’t have time to go through a million tweets. They are all obviously taking the piss outta costa by claiming he’s the sole reason spain lost cause he’s **** and he could have just played for brazil and been **** like neymar

Yes I think their tactics were fine, it was there choice in striker that led to their downfall.

Playing a past it Xavi, Alonso and a keeper who hasn’t played for a year and two, playing very narrow against a team defending in blocks of four, no overlapping of full backs…you think that’s fine?

If you’ve seen it on TV you’ve seen it on BBC I assume…did you see what they said? Did you see the highlights of how many times Costa made runs only for the full backs to either play it back inside or for Silva to mess it up.

You’re judging a player on an international performance, let’s judge the rest on that too. Rooney Messi Ronaldo rvp are all crap.

Right?

As for Costa i said this superb one season which got a mid table club to a title and nearly a champions League victory if not class then certainly a very good player with potential.

Flop before he has even had a chance to do something and just spent his entire career playing out of position is laughable at best.

[Shak]

@Sentry:10051356

@""Shak""

Well neither did Aguero when he played for them, nor did Falcao, doesn’t mean they’re crap. The fact he is the main man at the team which has done the unthinkable and won the league and ALSO destroyed England’s second best team in the CL and ALMOST won the CL title…he is class. Cazorla was anonymous all last decade but now is a star man, are you telling me he’s crap as well? You’re the only one who loves Carroll. Liverpool fans hated him, we have on GS as well. I am going say you love him because you support Utd. And Carroll’s shocking performances since have validated my opinion. How you can compare one striker who has done it all, even for one season, in his league and Champions league to a failure who never did anything for Liverpool or any club he played after is beyond belief.

Costa has been average because a striker wasn’t being played as a striker. He was being played as a winger. Its the reason Rooney is very poor for Utd at times, he’s being thrown about every other position than the one he is meant to. Costa was thrown at the position he is meant to play at for one season, and he has not only destroyed teams in his league and Europe but has helped his team do the unthinkable and reach the league final. For Athletico, ATHLETICO that is unbelievable. For that only he deserves accolade after accolade. I cannot believe the word ‘flop’ even comes into the equation. After all this atleast give him a chance! Its a simple thing. Someone of your knowledge about football should get it.

As for Torres, you’re the only person again who seems to think that. Since considering who you support I am going to say that its natural for you to dislike Torres

I don’t love caroll, I hate caroll and i’m comparing one flop to another.

Aguero is crap.

Costa didn’t destroy chelsea, it was atl madrids defence and midfield. Costa did nothing worthy of mentioning that another striker couldn’t do.

Why would I love caroll if I support utd? If you wanted to offend me you could just call me a suarez lover. That would slightly annoy me.

How has costa “done it all”? Lmao. One season doesn’t make you a superstar unless your name is costa or caroll, and turn into flops.

Costa is such a flop and it will be proven next season what a fraud he is. I’m shocked you think cause one player and mostly due to his teams doing getting into the CL final means the striker is the bees knees. One season means nothing. If he did it again and again it will prove a point but the dude has been playing 8yrs and never done anything.

Ageuro is crap?

You keep repeating the last two lines which have been addressed by atleast two other posters.

Universal derision of Caroll, Spain’s tactics and Costa’s superb performances for club and your come-back is a comparison to Caroll, declaring Spain’s tactics were fine (i dont even know where to start with that) and then Aguero is crap to top it all off.

I think I’ll accept defeat here.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

Playing a past it Xavi, Alonso and a keeper who hasn’t played for a year and two, playing very narrow against a team defending in blocks of four, no overlapping of full backs…you think that’s fine?

If you’ve seen it on TV you’ve seen it on BBC I assume…did you see what they said? Did you see the highlights of how many times Costa made runs only for the full backs to either play it back inside or for Silva to mess it up.

You’re judging a player on an international performance, let’s judge the rest on that too. Rooney Messi Ronaldo rvp are all crap.

Right?

As for Costa i said this superb one season which got a mid table club to a title and nearly a champions League victory if not class then certainly a very good player with potential.

Flop before he has even had a chance to do something and just spent his entire career playing out of position is laughable at best.

I think it’s perfectly fine Torres should have started, not costa.

RVP has scored 3 goals so far in this tournament, that’s 3 more than costa ever has for any country. Rooney has scored goals for his country, so has messi and the rest. What has costa scored? 6 matches not enough time to even score 1 goal?

You know what. Even heskey was a better striker than costa. At least he scored.

I’m not just judging on international careers. I’m stating as a whole. This is about if costa was right for spain as a striker, which obviously he wasn’t. Why would you put someone like him as your main striker just cause he’s had one good season? It’s stupid. Torres, david villa. Any of them would have been better.

Atl madrid have been getting built up since 2009, it has nothing to do with a sole player like costa making a difference.

[Shak]

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@Sentry

Atl madrid have been getting built up since 2009, it has nothing to do with a sole player like costa making a difference.

I forgot the 2 other strikers scoring for A.Madrid last season.

Why would you put someone like him as your main striker just cause he’s had one good season? It’s stupid. Torres, david villa. Any of them would have been better.

And you finally make a valid point.

Spain had a set system with either no striker and Fabregas as a false number 9 or Villa who roams around and interchanges and is familiar with his ex-Barca team mates. Del Bosque should have stuck to that.

As it stands they have a team with no pace, noone making ANY overlapping runs behind the fullbacks the result is what you see. And you think all is fine with the tactics, which is the problem :). It is not a striker’s job to make chances. Spain has virtually made none over the two game. I am assuming you listened to the commentary and the pundits afterwards. Heck before the game we even had people here saying how static Spain are. Henry also said the game cried for Fabregas. They got Santi in the end instead of Alonso, and we have 2 goals nearly.

[Sentry]

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@Shak

Ageuro is crap?

You keep repeating the last two lines which have been addressed by atleast two other posters.

Universal derision of Caroll, Spain’s tactics and Costa’s superb performances for club and your come-back is a comparison to Caroll, declaring Spain’s tactics were fine (i dont even know where to start with that) and then Aguero is crap to top it all off.

I think I’ll accept defeat here.

Of course ageuro is crap.

Anyone is free to address what they want and give their opinions. It won’t change my opinion.

I couldn’t care less about caroll. It was just a comparison. Costas superb performance? Really? Common. Lmao. I’ve already asked you, what has costa done to achieve god status in football? Scoring more than 25 goals for the first time in his 8yrs? Lmao. Getting loaned out like 3 times cause he’s crap? Why would he get loaned out so much if he was so special? He was loaned out 2yrs ago and now he’s this “class” player we should all fear cause whoopey doo the dude scored around 30 goals in one season? haha.

Everyone is different. The only problem I see with spains tactics was costa, you see it as a positive and everything else as a negative. What can I say?

[Shak]

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@Sentry

Of course ageuro is crap.

Anyone is free to address what they want and give their opinions. It won’t change my opinion.

I couldn’t care less about caroll. It was just a comparison. Costas superb performance? Really? Common. Lmao. I’ve already asked you, what has costa done to achieve god status in football? Scoring more than 25 goals for the first time in his 8yrs? Lmao. Getting loaned out like 3 times cause he’s crap? Why would he get loaned out so much if he was so special? He was loaned out 2yrs ago and now he’s this “class” player we should all fear cause whoopey doo the dude scored around 30 goals in one season? haha.

Everyone is different. The only problem I see with spains tactics was costa, you see it as a positive and everything else as a negative. What can I say?

Unless Spain created some mythical chance after chance and Costa missed them all then the problem is the team. The midfield, the joke of a defence.

You don’t have to say anything. To be honest I don’t even know what to say myself after hearing Aguero is crap, Torres was pants and Heskey and Carroll are great. At this point I am not even sure if you’re serious or joking?

[Sentry]

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@Shak

I forgot the 2 other strikers scoring for A.Madrid last season.

And you finally make a valid point.

Spain had a set system with either no striker and Fabregas as a false number 9 or Villa who roams around and interchanges and is familiar with his ex-Barca team mates. Del Bosque should have stuck to that.

As it stands they have a team with no pace, noone making ANY overlapping runs behind the fullbacks the result is what you see. And you think all is fine with the tactics, which is the problem :). It is not a striker’s job to make chances. Spain has virtually made none over the two game. I am assuming you listened to the commentary and the pundits afterwards. Heck before the game we even had people here saying how static Spain are. Henry also said the game cried for Fabregas. They got Santi in the end instead of Alonso, and we have 2 goals nearly.

I’ve been making valid points all night long

Anyway, spain is out. Costa is crap and it’s all his fault. PL doesn’t start until august so we can resume how crap costa is when the time comes. You’ll probably blame jose and the rest of chelsea when costa flops but for now we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. I need to go zzzzz

[Shak]

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@Sentry

I’ve been making valid points all night long

Anyway, spain is out. Costa is crap and it’s all his fault. PL doesn’t start until august so we can resume how crap costa is when the time comes. You’ll probably blame jose and the rest of chelsea when costa flops but for now we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. I need to go zzzzz

Nop, I’ll try to have the reasonable perspective that only time tells whether someone is a flop or not. As I said I, for the first time on GS, am lost for words at how to counter a post saying Heskey and Carroll, two comdey figures in British football, are superb while Ageuro and a guy who’s got very big club in europe foaming for his signature are bad.

Have a good night!