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EXACTLY, any doubt about it?
Yes I do :)
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Yes I do :)
well, then u sort it out for urself. i ain't gonna help u lol
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There is no best muslim… but we can expect someone to be at least a good human being. right?
@ never hurt anyone … aap ke kiya lagtay thay woh ? :halo:
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Let presume I am your Governor , Governor of some so called Islamic Republic - I am a known Alcoholic and quite notorious for all ill doings prohibited by the religion I follow and the society I live in .
One day I got assassinated - for what ever reasons !
Should I get the safe exit by getting buried with all SarKari Taam Jhaam and labelled as a Shaheed !
or the nation should be brave enough by calling a spade a spade and disown me for all my ill doings .
I don't know whether he deserves any such title or not, let Allah be the judge of that. But what i know is killing anybody like this is just not human. What religion are we following? because Islam definately doesnt propogate such stuff. Take examples of our Prophet, he use to seek good health of even those who use to throw garbage at him AND we the so called "followers" of him are just looking for reasons to kill and cause trouble for all.
It's such a shame.
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biraadar, maut ke ba'd Allah musif hai...kisi murde ko buraa bhalaa nahiiN kahnaa chaahiye kiuN k uskaa mo'aamila ab Allah ke Huzoor hai.
^ well said bhai...
Well i can think of only one occasion when the Phrophet of Islam broke with strandard custom and stood over the mass grave of the seventy kuffar of Makkah at Badr and personally spoke to each dead man by name and recounted thier evils and anounced they would suffer for thier evil doing.
However that was the only occasion, subsequent Muslim leaders including Hazrat Ali left clear instructions to respect the enemy even when dead... Hazrat Allah may Allah bless him was a real Hero who decreed that nobody should mutilate a defeated enemy as was the custom up to that point yet tragedy is that a generation later Shabeer would suffer mutilation at Karbala...
But we are Muslim and we should respect the dead becuase such was the word of our lord hazrat Ali sher e khuda.
As for Salmaan Taseer he was no martyr and deserves no special ceremony governor or peasant in Islam no one is buried with the trappings of pre Islamic times when kuffar would bury thier leader with his fammily and treasure.
Mr Taseer should rest in a common grave and be thankfull for it, there are sons of the same motherland who's broken bodies lie scattered as bones in the hills he should be glad to get any burial at all.
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how would the nation disown you? you were the governor so will be remembered as the past governor. This is the problem with our nation. Personal character is judged when it shouldn't be. How is him drinking or doing anything else that you might disagree with hurting anyone? If a governor is entitled to certain protocol after death then he should be entitled to it whether he was a drunk or a pious nimaazi.
Shoving your own morality down other people's throat is what's gotten us where we are. It's time to mind our own business and let people live the way they want to.
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Yes we got a history of burying our Yahayaz and Niazi with 21 topoN ki salami ... whats new !
But dont you think it should get end now ?
when we going to appreciate the real heroes of our nation - and start rewarding them !
Why do you expect it to end now? what has changed recently that makes you think that? Unless things change drastically towards betterment it will remain this way.
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Ah, but here's the rub, by sinning as in drinking and being of a bad character, who did he hurt? In this worldy plane, probably very few. But, he did ruin his relationship with Allah and will be answerable on the day of qayamat for his personal sins. If he did right by his fellow citizens, then they can call him a hero, because they are calling his social acts heroic.
If on the other hand, his sins were against his fellow citizens, then yes, they have a right to judge him and condemn his actions and he does not deserve to be honoured by the people.
makes total sense to me.
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@ never hurt anyone ... aap ke kiya lagtay thay woh ?
No one, I didn't like him at all. But you can't deny he stood up for minority rights and got killed for that.
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Ah, but here's the rub, by sinning as in drinking and being of a bad character, who did he hurt? In this worldy plane, probably very few. But, he did ruin his relationship with Allah and will be answerable on the day of qayamat for his personal sins. If he did right by his fellow citizens, then they can call him a hero, because they are calling his social acts heroic.
If on the other hand, his sins were against his fellow citizens, then yes, they have a right to judge him and condemn his actions and he does not deserve to be honoured by the people.
Would like to know your views on Lewinsky scandal ?
why the news of this extra-marital affair resulted into an investigation and then eventually led to the impeachment of President Clinton in 1998 by the U.S. House of Representatives and his subsequent acquittal on all impeachment charges of perjury and obstruction of justice in a 21-day Senate trial
wasnt it simply his personal act ? and if yes then why were he made accountable ?
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how would the nation disown you? you were the governor so will be remembered as the past governor. This is the problem with our nation. Personal character is judged when it shouldn't be. How is him drinking or doing anything else that you might disagree with hurting anyone? If a governor is entitled to certain protocol after death then he should be entitled to it whether he was a drunk or a pious nimaazi.
Shoving your own morality down other people's throat is what's gotten us where we are. It's time to mind our own business and let people live the way they want to.
well my argument is - at first place , people like him should be not elected for such high ranked posts !
when you and I - dont even allow our sisters and daughters to marry some one notorious of his ill deeds -
when we dont even consider such personals fit enough for having the responsibility of a family - why would let the have the responsibility of running a nation ?
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The bold and underlined statement in your post has become such a cliche you know - want to know what Allah has said against his prophet’s enemies ?
for Abu Lahab - who was the most violent enemy of Hazrat Mohemmed (saww) and his followers. Allah (swt) revealed a complete Surah (verse) in condemnation of Abu Lahab. Allah (swt) says:
“Perish the hands of the Abu Lahab! (Father of Flame) Perish he!
No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood as fuel!
A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!” (111:1-5)
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^ I think maham's point was that the Holy Prophet(saw) understood the quraan better than anyone else. Hence we should see what the sunnah of the Holy Prophet(saw) was towards those who insulted him.
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well my argument is - at first place , people like him should be not elected for such high ranked posts !
when you and I - dont even allow our sisters and daughters to marry some one notorious of his ill deeds -
when we dont even consider such personals fit enough for having the responsibility of a family - why would let the have the responsibility of running a nation ?
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I'm afraid that we'll have to ask God to send a few angels down to rule us. The whole lot is wrotten. Molvi types are the worst of the bunch since in Islam a munafiq is considered worst than a mushrik.
What someone does in their private life should be their business plain and simple. Which person hasn't done something which if brought to light would embarass them? If he does something which affects his performance or imapacts the office he holds then that's a different story.
But all of this is quite beside the point though. The guy got killed not because he was a drunkard or anything but because he had an opinion which wasn't welcome in the "islamic republic" of pakistan, which ironically is neither islamic nor a republic.