Bush 'War Dance' Condemned by his Own Church

Across the USA, many thousands of people strongly oppose the Bush adminstrations policy which advocates a unilateral attack on Iraq. Now the ‘American intelligentsia’ have also publicly started to condemn Mr.Bush’s war dance.

War plans under fire as even Bush heartland talks peace](The Observer)

Dissent is coming from all quarters - even in Bush’s own church. Ed Vulliamy reports from Washington Excerpt

Sunday October 20, 2002 The Observer

As the United States edges towards a possible war against Iraq, a sudden torrent of concern has begun to flow - a revolt by the intelligentsia spreading beyond the expected opposition political circles and penetrating the heart of the media and foreign policy establishment.From New York to the plains of Kansas, local and provincial papers, glossy magazines, serious periodicals and heavyweight national dailies have carried a range of articles and essays that challenge not only the proposed war, but the notion and conduct of unilateral American power in the world.

But the most dramatic intervention comes from President George Bush’s own United Methodist church which launched a scathing attack on his plans for war. Jim Winkler, responsible for the application of the church’s teachings to social policy, said war against Iraq was ‘without any justification according to the teachings of Christ’.

After careful study of Christian doctrinal writings on Just War, Winkler said he was ‘told flatly’ by the church’s scholars, ‘that they simply did not apply to this situation’. Winkler said ‘we keep the lines of communication open’ to the White House, but added: ‘I regret that the lines have been one way. I hope and pray that the President has considered the church’s teachings.’ ..

**Winkler’s sentiments have an impact beyond the usual circles of dissent in a church-going society that, for the most part, supports Bush. From the Bush heartland, from Kansas, where they teach the creation instead of evolution in schools, come surprising voices of objection. The Kansas City Star ran a long account of ‘voices of opposition from people of faith’, quoting Winkler at length, saying: ‘United Methodists have a particular duty to speak out against an unprovoked attack. It is inconceivable that Jesus Christ would support this proposed attack.’ **

The latest salvo came on Friday from the unimpeachable New York Review of Books in an article by one of the country’s leading commentators, Anthony Lewis, arguing that a regime change in Iraq could be ‘the first step towards a new American imperium’. Meanwhile, wrote Lewis, ‘the fear of looking unpatriotic inhibits dissent’.

The uprising of the intelligentsia has burst its banks. The essayist Susan Sontag sounded the first alarm across the opinion page of the New York Times on the poignant date of 10 September (the article was intended for the eleventh, but was shifted to make way for one signed by the President).

In it Sontag wrote: ‘Real wars are not metaphors _ they have a beginning and an end_ But the war that has been declared by the Bush administration will never end. That is one sign that it is not a war, but, rather, a mandate for expanding the use of American power.’ Then the theme spread. Most unexpectedly, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution - published in the capital of the conservative South - broadened the language of the debate with an article by its leading commentator headlined ‘Invasion would mark the next step towards an American empire’…Full Article

Title of article says it all.

Iraq war ‘unjustifiable’, says Bush’s church head](The Observer)

Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday October 20, 2002 The Observer

President George Bush’s own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are ‘without any justification according to the teachings of Christ’. Jim Winkler, head of social policy for United Methodists, added that all attempts at a ‘dialogue’ between the President and his own church over the war had fallen on deaf ears at the White House.

His remarks came as the US continued its efforts to achieve agreement on a UN resolution that would open the way for a tough programme of weapons inspections in Iraq. France is believed to be concerned that the current draft resolution might still act as a trigger for military intervention without a full Security Council debate if Iraq fails to comply.

Winkler is general secretary of the Board of Church and Society for the United Methodist church, which counts the President and the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, among its members. The church represents eight to nine million regular churchgoers and is the third biggest in America.

The Methodist Church, he says, is not pacifist, but ‘rejects war as a usual means of national policy’. Methodist scriptural doctrine, he added, specifies ‘war as a last resort, primarily a defensive thing. And so far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilised military forces along the borders of the United States, nor along his own border to invade a neighbouring country, nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, nor does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States’.

Some interesting quotes in this piece by an Israeli guy:

"This is without any justification according to the teachings of Christ. Far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilized military forces along the borders of the United States, nor even along his own border to invade a neighboring country - nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, not does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States" ~ Jim Winkler, general secretary of the Methodist Board of Church and Society (US)

Modern war policy is being run on a policy of “round up the usual suspects,” just so long as they’re "their b#st#rds (Arabs) and not our b#st#rds (settlers)

Weapons of mass distraction, Thomas O’Dwyer, Ha’artez, 24 October 2002

We are all against stereotypes, right? Wrong of course - we are all against negative stereotypes of the group we belong to. Find me an Irish person who objects to “the old country” being lauded for its beauty, hospitality, music, cultural heritage, Nobel laureate writers and poets. On the other hand, try walking into an Irish pub in Boston muttering in an English accent about priest-ridden, manic depressive Irish drunks who only seem to be happy when they’re blowing each other up in Belfast - and see how many milliseconds it takes for a stereotype to leap out of nowhere and punch you in the head.

During their 800 years of occupation the angry, oppressed, under-educated “fighting Irish” had manual labor for work, and drink and religion for distraction, so in some sense they could be accused of collaborating in creating their own negative stereotype.

The preamble is necessary before I ask if anyone at all is worried about the image Israel is collaborating in creating for itself in the world - the arrogant, opinionated, war-mongering, loud-mouth of the democracies. Those of us who live here as citizens are perfectly aware that the loutishness comes from the top - that always unpalatable amalgam of bull-necked uniforms and sleazy suits that characterize the nationalist right, whether it be in Serbia, Turkey or Israel. And now we’ve added skinheads in kippas on hills to the lovely brew.

If I was a member of the Jewish Diaspora community - traditionally liberal, cultured, humanist and soft-spoken - I’d be getting worried about how much this militaristic Israeli boorishness is going to rub off on me. It’s bad enough that we are locked in a war of occupation and oppression with a nation we will one day have to live with as neighbors when we stop shooting them in their streets (yes - and they with us, when they stop blowing us up in ours). It’s a war that has dragged the national image to an all-time nadir on the world’s television screens.

No, that’s not enough - now we have to be on the war-mongering rather than the peace-making side in the new blood lust to kill Iraqis in their streets. Now we have to be cheerleaders for the jungle war drums beating round the Bush.

The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations last week jumped on the Bush Blast’em Bandwagon. The final resolution specifically pledged support for the use of force - albeit adding lamely, “as a last resort.” The original draft a week earlier supported only unspecified “presidential initiatives,” but mentioned White House efforts to build a UN and international consensus.

Even then Morton Klein, the always irritated president of the Zionist Organization of America, sniffed that the resolution was not one his group would have written: “We at ZOA believe it is unproductive to give Saddam another chance to destroy weapons of mass destruction, but we do support this as a good consensus statement that does support ultimately military action.”

Even better, the Jewish organizations are cozying up to the Iraqi National Congress, the rag-tag crazy and useless exile opposition. Entifadh Qanbar, the INC’s Washington office director, spoke at a gathering of AIPAC on October 7.(Did they notice how eerily close “Entifadh” is to “Intifada?”)

For the INC, the Jewish lobby is a golden carpet leading all the way to open American cash coffers. It is also the kiss of death for its credibility in the Arab (including Iraqi) world in that glorious new dawn allegedly on the horizon - “the post Saddam Hussein era.”

What is even more disconcerting is that while the Israeli-Jewish world is enthusiastically clambering “on board” the blood wagon - why, Bush’s very own church most certainly is not. The United Methodist Church, which numbers the president and Vice-President Dick Cheney among its members has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq.

“This is without any justification according to the teachings of Christ,” said Jim Winkler, general secretary of the Methodist Board of Church and Society. He said all attempts at a “dialogue” between the U.S. president and his own church over the war has fallen on deaf ears at the White House. The church is the third largest in America.

The Methodist Church, says Winkler, is not pacifist, but “rejects war as a usual means of national policy.” Methodist scriptural doctrine he added, specifies “war as a last resort.” Ah - maybe that’s where the Conference of Presidents got the phrase to tag on the butt-end of their resolution.

“War is essentially a defensive thing,” says Winkler. “Far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilized military forces along the borders of the United States, nor even along his own border to invade a neighboring country - nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, not does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States.”

Modern war policy is being run on a policy of “round up the usual suspects,” just so long as they’re “their *******s (Arabs) and not our *******s (settlers).”

There has to be a dictator who gets a series of final warnings, a belated missile fireworks display over his capital, firm statements that the dictator will not be allowed to prevail, and an ethnic minority that must be turned into refugees in order to save their homeland (which is then destroyed by the saviors).

The formula ends in some inconclusive, volatile mess careering toward a much hyped exit strategy, which someone in fact forgot to install at the planning stage. The dictator survives. His policies prevail. It was not surprising that Saddam Hussein was the only Muslim leader to come out firmly in support of Slobodan Milosevic. It was not surprising that Ariel Sharon was the only Jewish leader to do the same and oppose the war in Kosovo.

Blood and death and famine and destruction are the apocalyptic riders of the horses of war, but let it not be forgotten that truth is the first victim. Words are weapons of mass distraction (to borrow the name of a 1997 movie about two tycoons who set out to destroy one another even if it meant destroying themselves).

Every war brings its crop of howlers - just watch the IDF spokespeople trotting out the lying cliches every time the army royally screws up something else.

The war in Kosovo left a lingering image in my own head - not least because I served in the British military and know that they think fooling journalists is a sport akin to ripping up foxes from horseback.

A British Air Force commander delivering a military briefing to reporters at NATO headquarters in Brussels was so woefully full of cliches and generalizations that the briefing was totally worthless and devoid of facts - and then we understood where he got it from. From 1984 - the novel, not the year. “Oceania is gloriously advancing on all fronts and Eurasia is being overwhelmed.” Or is it the other way round? Doesn’t matter - Israel’s for it.

well I think we should arrest everyone in the church because if they are not with us they are with them. ;)

The question is who thinks what Bush is doing is right?

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obviously he does. probably other republicans who are afraid that if public starts thinking about economy and corporate scandals and how they have been managed, that the dems will kick GOP butt in 10 days.

Dems are already running TV ads to this effect capitalizing on the piss poor economy, stock marketa nd corp governance and accountability.

Unless Bush can pull this economy up and restore public confidence, his own political future has its sole dependency on looking like a war hero. although that dinn help his pops to win.

Well Fraudia Hitler thought what he was doing is right. Does it make him right? The idiot is making the same mistake that his daddy made. The american love a war they are winning. True but as long as they have jobs and have the ability to care for their loved ones. Otherwise the economy is always top priority. That is why Clinton was so popular, the economy boomed under him and he could do what he wanted abroad as people really didnt care.

The Leaders of the Methodist Church have officially condemned the policies of the Bush Adminstration stating that pre-emptive attacks violated International law and more importantly was against their beliefs.

Church Group Launches Anti-War Media Campaign](http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=2149111) Reuters Jan 31 03

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A bishop from President Bush’s own Methodist church voiced opposition to a U.S.-led war on Iraq in television ads airing on Friday, part of a church coalition’s publicity campaign urging peace. Christian religious groups are divided on the Bush administration’s stance that Iraq must disarm or face a U.S.-led war. But many mainstream church leaders such as the U.S. Catholic bishops and the United Methodist Church, of which Bush is a member, have come out against a preemptive attack.

“No nation under God has that right. It violates international law. It violates God’s law and the teachings of Jesus Christ,” Bishop Melvin Talbert, chief ecumenical officer of the United Methodist Church, says on the televised spot airing on cable news networks CNN and Fox. “Iraq hasn’t wronged us. … War will only create more terrorists,” Talbert says. The United Methodist Church has 8 million U.S. members and 11 million globally.

Talbert was among a group of church leaders that traveled to Baghdad late last year to meet with religious congregations of several faiths, said Bob Edgar, general secretary of the National Council of Churches, which is behind the campaign. “When you talk about bombing Baghdad you’re talking about bombing real people having potluck suppers in churches,” Edgar said.

Bush, who attends church fairly regularly and whose political base is rooted in the Christian conservative movement, has ordered a military buildup in the Gulf for possible war. He says Iraq has illegal weapons programs that threaten the United States and its allies.

The coalition represents 36 different religious communities and has partnered with various business and community groups in an advertising and letter-writing campaign opposed to an attack on Iraq. A letter sent on Thursday to Bush, signed by 46 U.S. religious leaders asked for a face-to-face meeting. Asked if Bush’s religious beliefs could sway him not to invade, Edgar said, “one would pray that would be the case.”

I am also tempted to shout "down with US imeperialism" and all that jazz...believe me I used to like Bush (probably because of clinton's immoral disgrace).

OK Bush will not go to war. how do we stop Saddam? does anyone doubt that he is a threat to the region and the world?

jagee, Iraq is best left for the UN to sort out, if they have any WMD, than thats for the UN inspectors to find and destroy without the need for military action. As for Sadam, many analysts state he is currently no threat to the region. Besides, he would be endangering his own position if he was to make the same mistakes of the past. Thanks to the sanctions regime Iraqs infrastructure has already been devastated and it is now one of the poorest countries in the world.

Bush should stick to his pretzels .. or maybe should open up a zoo for chimpanzees, anything to keep himself occupied. He should drop his personal ambition of ruling Iraq and rewarding his freinds with lucrative oil contracts in a post war era.

dhp, I agree that bush has been too belligerent on iraq and has not been able to convince that his intentions are totally above board re oil.

my question is different. how will UN stop saddam? he's been rewarding suicide bombers in palestine, there's strong evidence that he's been on a weapons quest and no one has countered that he has killed thousands of iraquis. and yes, he did invade kuwait, didn't he?

so how can you claim he is no threat?

The worlds nations including China, Germany, France, and Russia have already given their full backing to the UN weapon inspectors. So far they have found no WMD in Iraq and Hans Blix has stated on record that they require several more months in order to complete their search. It is in Iraqs interests to fully cooperate with the UN on all issues, im sure thats exactly whats going to happen.

Interestingly, the South African Government is sending Ex-Foreign Minister Pik Botha to Iraq in order to make it clear to the Iraqi leadership that they MUST fully cooperate with the UN.

As for the past, well its all too easy to place blame on the Iraqis for thousands of deaths.. one must remember that Iraq has been utilised for decades in some one elses foreign policies!

*The coalition represents 36 different religious communities and has partnered with various business and community groups in an advertising and letter-writing campaign opposed to an attack on Iraq. *

But isn't the opposition to the war dimissed as a bunch of liberals and communists diehards? Are these 36 different religious communities all a bunch of liberals as well?