Bush gives a warning to Pakistan

Is Bush saying US would attack Pakistan if does not control terrorism .

President Bush on Tuesday defended his doctrine of military intervention to shut down potential national security threats before they mature, and he issued a pointed message to Pakistan that “we will do what is necessary to protect American troops and the American people.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/washington/10prexy.html?ref=world

Mr. Bush singled out Pakistan for both praise and criticism. He said that the Pakistani government and people were working to defeat terrorism “because they have been victims of terror themselves.”

But he also pointed to the ungoverned tribal areas along Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan, where fighters of the Taliban and Al Qaeda have found a home, as a “pronounced” problem, saying that while the United States supported Pakistan’s efforts to assert control over those regions, it would also take action if necessary.

Mr. Bush’s comments came in the context of several recent flare-ups involving American military and intelligence action in Pakistan, and just after a brazen attack by militants there against the supply lines for allied forces in Afghanistan.

In recent months, a number of American missile attacks in the tribal areas, including some that were said to have killed civilians, as well as at least one foray by American commandos, have inflamed tensions with Pakistan. While Washington has sought to ease these differences, Mr. Bush’s comments seemed to defend just that type of action.

During the presidential campaign, Mr. Obama asserted repeatedly that he would be willing to launch an attack in Pakistan if the United States had information about terrorists’ whereabouts and Pakistan refused to act, a stance that was scorned by his rival, Senator John McCain.

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This is very significant. One can imagine whom is this warning directed at. In past few moths American councellor in Peshawar has been fired upon apart from assasination of US aid head. Moreover, over 300 hundred NATO trucks have been set on fire in broadday light...One wonders how could that happen.

It is unfortunate that Pakistan's security establishment is on collision course with the entire world. Even Chinese have started suspecting them. Are these rulers mad? Don't they think international isolation would leave Pakistan nowhere?

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End of the Line for Islamabad

Unless Pakistan changes how it conceives of its interests and strategy, it will remain an unstable and distrusted place.
By Fareed Zakaria

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]**For more articles by Fareed Zakaria, visit the archive](http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/archive.html). **
If the Mumbai attacks were India’s 9/11, then it has responded quite differently than the United States did in the weeks following that horrible event. Much of the debate among Indians has looked inward, focusing on their government’s lack of preparedness, poor intelligence and bungling response to the attack. Senior Indian officials have resigned, some evidence links the terrorists to the Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, but the Indian government has not rushed to war. Even the Hindu fundamentalist Bharatiya Janata Party, traditionally ultrahawkish, is advocating “coercive diplomacy,” calling on the world community to insist that Pakistan implement its U.N. treaty obligations to fight terrorism. India is showing restraint for some wise reasons—the two nations are nuclear—armed and a military strike would only inflame Pakistani nationalism. But a democratic government, approaching an election season, can only remain restrained if its restraint yields something. If not, South Asia—and that includes Afghanistan—is going to get a lot more unstable.
Some have argued that India should use its intelligence and air power to go after some of Lashkar’s camps in the borderlands of Kashmir. But one would not need spies and airplanes to find the head of Lashkar, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed. He lives and works in Lahore. Of course, Lashkar was banned by the Pakistani government in 2002, but Saeed now runs its “charitable” arm, Jamaat-ul-Dawa, a large and growing force in the country. The problem with Islamic militant groups in Pakistan is not that they are hard to find but rather that they are in plain sight. The Pakistani government has never made a fundamental decision to turn its back on the culture of jihad.
When one speaks of the Pakistani government, it’s necessary to be precise. The elected, civilian government appears to be something of an innocent bystander in this affair. Initially, President Asif Ali Zardari denounced the terrorists and offered full assistance to Indian investigators. His prime minister offered to send the head of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency to New Delhi to help. Then, after the Army weighed in, the offer was withdrawn. Zardari’s statements became more evasive and defensive. If anyone wondered who actually ran the country, it soon became clear.
Whether the Pakistani military was involved in the Mumbai attacks remains unclear. The Indians certainly think so. “The attackers were trained in four places in Pakistan by men with titles like colonel and major. They used communication channels that are known ISI channels. All this can’t happen without the knowledge of the military,” one Indian official told me. They’re not alone in their suspicions. “This was a three-stage amphibious operation. [The attackers] maintained radio silence, launched diversionary attacks to pull the first responders out of the way, knew their way around the hotels, were equipped with cryptographic communications, credit cards, false IDs,” says David Kilcullen, a counter-insurgency expert who has advised Gen. David Petraeus. “It looks more like a classical special forces or commando operation than a terrorist one. No group linked to Al Qaeda and certainly not Lashkar has ever mounted a maritime attack of this complexity.” Which would be worse: if the Pakistani military knew about this operation in advance, or if they didn’t?
The situation in South Asia is very complicated. But one thing is clear. All roads lead through Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the Pakistani military. For decades it has sponsored militant groups like Lashkar and the Taliban as a low-cost strategy to bleed India and influence Afghanistan. It now faces a choice. Unless Pakistan changes how it conceives of its interests and strategy, the country will remain an unstable place, distrusted by all its neighbors. Even the Chinese, longtime allies, have begun worrying about the spread of Islamic extremism. Pakistan needs to take a civilian, not a military, view of its national interest, one in which good relations with India lead to trade, economic growth and stability. Of course, in such a world Pakistan wouldn’t need a military that swallows up a quarter of the government’s budget and rules the country like a privileged elite.
The one country that could do more than any other to change the military’s mind-set is America. For India to bomb some Lashkar training camps would be to attack the symptoms, not the source of the rot—and would only fuel sympathy for the militants among ordinary Pakistanis. To the contrary, what the world needs is for Pakistan to decide on its own that its prospects are diminished by tolerance of such groups. American diplomacy has been fast and effective so far. But we must keep the pressure on Islamabad, and get countries like China and Saudi Arabia involved as well. President-elect Barack Obama has proposed aid to Pakistan that has sensible conditions attached, meant to help modernize the country.
America also has much to lose if things fall apart in South Asia. If tensions between India and Pakistan rise, distracting the Pakistani military from the jihadists in its tribal areas, it will lead to much greater instability in Afghanistan and a freer hand for the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Washington, too, needs to see results.

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chiragh bujhnay se pahlay pharkta hay
bolnay do bandar ko jo bolta hay

Nopesee! you are reading way beyond what Prez Bush has said. In fact your mischievous and incorrect subject line is clearly a flame bait. But what else one can expect form Indian Jihadis who are fighting the net-wars for their mother-India.

Well that's correct statement and Pakistani people appreciate the understanding.

Off course he is correct in saying that our "ungoverned areas" are a problem. We are responsible for our areas. And unfortunately we dropped the ball, when we allowed FATA to be used as a terror base.

Not only that, for the last 60 years, we let the FATA residents to behave as lawless and uncouth tribals. No taxes, and no Pakistani law was ever applied. The joke called FCR is shame for us and it is a shame for FATA residents too.

Some vested interests in FATA do now allow the implementation of "Pakistan's law" to be applied there. Even now when Prez Zardari's government proposed repealing FCR, the local FATA leaders opposed it. It is time for FATA residents too to rise up against the draconian FCR and demand the normal law of the land.

These poor things do not know that the only way forward is to leave behind the tribalism and become civilized people just like most of the world. Accept the law of the land, respect police, and allow regular court system to flourish. Enough with the fraud of Jirga-ism.

As I said in a separate thread, USA is using drones to clean up terrorist mess in our area. It is a shame for us that we can clean up this mess by ourselves. 2-bit terrorists like Mehsud and Fazlullah are openly challenging the writ of the state. These uncouth tribals are burning the schools. This is especially horrendous. The current generation of FATA girls will remain uneducated and thus our future generations will be raised by uneducated mothers. Whose loss is that? Ours. Whose shame is this? ours? Dragging Bush or America in this is just plain stupid.

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Just ignore the loser president... :D

PS: Anyone who joined him...ran into troubles... :)

Wohoo another warning :hula:
:cool:

Someone tell this Bush that his country with all its might has not been able to win the war how can they expect us to achieve what they have failed to do themselves? Loosers!!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe Bush is also trying to raise his profile so that he can also join some think-tank when he is kicked out of job :)

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I dont understand why pak and desis are/would be against having another country help them rid their country of such a terrible scourge - the jihadi/terrorists. Why NOT let US in to clean it up...whats the big issue with that? US would foot the bill, clean it out and even (Hopefully) assist in any re-building that would need to be done. IDK, seems like not such a bad deal to me :)

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1-We/us use to call them mujahideen(respected word)
2-We/us created them.
3-There are common ppl.
4-US cold be the worst country to be friends with!!!!!!!

We have seen it over and over. No secret there.

Write this way:

1) We created them with the help of USA
2) We brainwash them, they didn't receive anything from angels
3) They were common people, we turn them into animals now our dogs are after us
4) USA would be worst country, lets try to live with out it.

We have seen it over and over. This is ground reality. !

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Mods plz issue a warning to Bush

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lolzzzzzzz
I say put a life time ban on that moron

Agree.

face it - what Bush is saying is that he will attack Pakistan. missile attacks killing innocent people in FATA by americans is an attack on pakistan. a country must learn to defend its innocent citizens.

when will the american slaves realise that their master has questionanable motives in the region? why dont you get out of your narrow mindset and realise that this is more than just an american vs militants war alone.

ps - the uncouth lawless people of fata are no different to their fellow pakistani brethren in sindh, punjab, balochistan and nwfp - the law is rarely followed anywhere. the only difference is at least the people of fata have an excuse for it, the others dont.

Please do tell us which country in the world was helped by US successfully when fighting terrorism. We are waiting for the list, thank you. Wait, I'm not asking for the country where US successfully provided fuel to terrorism.

The USA cant even clean Afghanistan up how will they manage with Pakistan too?

As terrible as the scourge of terrorists using Islam are - they are no better and no worse than those Yankee soldiers who invaded and murdered plenty of civlians in Iraq and Afghanistan. In reality both the Militants and American soldiers are terrorists. America has a very flawed and biased foreign policy and until that changes te vast majority of Muslims will distrust them. In fact even most Europeans dstrust them.

IF the Americans enter the tribal belt the terrorists will move and most likely eastwards. The Americans will follow. By eastwards I mean as far east as punjab.

The biggest threat to American hegemony is the rise of political islam/pan-islamism as some may say. Political Islamists do not want to see the state of Israel there in the Middle of East. America is dominated by jews. The worst case scenario for the Americans is the overthrow of the Middle eastern dictatorships and the replacement being a more hostile regime reflecting hatred of Americna foreign policy. End result America will lose its power within the Middle ast and Central asia and North africa.

IMO the Americans are looking for an excuse to destabilise or even worse split Pakistan. The Americans do not want to see muslim states with nuclear power especially one which they paint as so unpredicatble as pakistan.

Funny how many of you got duped by an Indian-Jihadi's incorrect subject line.

It boggles to see that for some Pakistanis, just bring the name Bush, and they go crazy. Didn't know Bush had such strong control on these Pakistanis that even his name can mush their brains.

its just not name, we have seen him for over 8 years.

Would mind us telling one person responsible of over 500000 iraqi ppl ??

Yes. His name was Saddam Hussain and he was sent to Jahannum recently.