Bush authorized Raids into Pakistan?!

By ERIC SCHMITT and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: September 10, 2008
WASHINGTON — President Bush secretly approved orders in July that for the first time allow American Special Operations forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without the prior approval of the Pakistani government, according to senior American officials.

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The classified orders signal a watershed for the Bush administration after nearly seven years of trying to work with Pakistan to combat the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and after months of high-level stalemate about how to challenge the militants’ increasingly secure base in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

American officials say that they will notify Pakistan when they conduct limited ground attacks like the Special Operations raid last Wednesday in a Pakistani village near the Afghanistan border, but that they will not ask for its permission.

“The situation in the tribal areas is not tolerable,” said a senior American official who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicate nature of the missions. “We have to be more assertive. Orders have been issued.”

The new orders reflect concern about safe havens for Al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, as well as an American view that Pakistan lacks the will and ability to combat militants. They also illustrate lingering distrust of the Pakistani military and intelligence agencies and a belief that some American operations had been compromised once Pakistanis were advised of the details.

The Central Intelligence Agency has for several years fired missiles at militants inside Pakistan from remotely piloted Predator aircraft. But the new orders for the military’s Special Operations forces relax firm restrictions on conducting raids on the soil of an important ally without its permission.

Pakistan’s top army officer said Wednesday that his forces would not tolerate American incursions like the one that took place last week and that the army would defend the country’s sovereignty “at all costs.”

It is unclear precisely what legal authorities the United States has invoked to conduct even limited ground raids in a friendly country. A second senior American official said that the Pakistani government had privately assented to the general concept of limited ground assaults by Special Operations forces against significant militant targets, but that it did not approve each mission.

The official did not say which members of the government gave their approval.

Any new ground operations in Pakistan raise the prospect of American forces being killed or captured in the restive tribal areas — and a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda. Last week’s raid also presents a major test for Pakistan’s new president, Asif Ali Zardari, who supports more aggressive action by his army against the militants but cannot risk being viewed as an American lap dog, as was his predecessor, Pervez Musharraf.

The new orders were issued after months of debate inside the Bush administration about whether to authorize a ground campaign inside Pakistan. The debate, first reported by The New York Times in late June, at times pitted some officials at the State Department against parts of the Pentagon that advocated aggressive action against Qaeda and Taliban targets inside the tribal areas.

Details about last week’s commando operation have emerged that indicate the mission was more intrusive than had previously been known.

According to two American officials briefed on the raid, it involved more than two dozen members of the Navy Seals who spent several hours on the ground and killed about two dozen suspected Qaeda fighters in what now appeared to have been a planned attack against militants who had been conducting attacks against an American forward operating base across the border in Afghanistan.

Supported by an AC-130 gunship, the Special Operations forces were whisked away by helicopters after completing the mission.

Although the senior American official who provided the most detailed description of the new presidential order would discuss it only on condition of anonymity, his account was corroborated by three other senior American officials from several government agencies, all of whom made clear that they supported the more aggressive approach.

Pakistan’s government has asserted that last week’s raid achieved little except killing civilians and stoking anti-Americanism in the tribal areas.

“Unilateral action by the American forces does not help the war against terror because it only enrages public opinion,” said Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington, during a speech on Friday. “In this particular incident, nothing was gained by the action of the troops.”

As an alternative to American ground operations, some Pakistani officials have made clear that they prefer the C.I.A.’s Predator aircraft, operating from the skies, as a method of killing Qaeda operatives. The C.I.A. for the most part has coordinated with Pakistan’s government before and after it has launched missiles from the drone. On Monday, a Predator strike in North Waziristan killed several Arab Qaeda operatives.

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W.O.W.!

:slight_smile: Pakistan should remember that next time it’s called an important “Ally”..treated more like a dark “Alley” for mugging…

Re: Bush authorized Raids into Pakistan?!

I just came to know abt the news.

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If Bush was not "authorizing" these raids do you think military decided to raid on their own? Come'on guys!

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hameed gul warned of this in july

these reports may have a design and a purpose - most likely to be to scare pakistan into action which pakistan does not naturally see as its best course of action. seems to have been used throughout the last couple of decades. the assessment in washington must be that pakistan is a scared nation easily manipulated

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Pakistan is in very bad situation now. we are still following the American policies and killing out our own people. They (Talibaan) are now started hating us. On the other side Mosad and CIA are engaging different suicide attacks plus religious wars like shai sunni etc in northern areas. All they want these insurgencies should be extended to all over pakistan so that they (Nato and India on the other side) can enter to implement "PEACE" here.

Above of all we r still sleeping and blaming our own people by declaring them terrorists. Believe me if the Talibaan plus all local affectees will stand up against us then BINGOOOO. These people dont bother even super powers (See results of Russian and American attack) to phir hum kis khaet ki mooli hain.

So we need a very intelligent people in order to revamp our foreign policies but alas we have ZARDARI NOW!!!!!!!! And by the way Pakistan = ISLAM so if we dont bring ISLAM here, then i think we are very close to an END. As ALLAH already gave us 61 Years!!
ALLAH KHAIR KARAY

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Our problem is that 90% of us really dont know who r operating in Fata / Sawat etc. We know a name Talibaan and thats it!!. Even we dont know the difference b/w talibaan and alqieda.

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Of course Bush, as Commander in Chief, authorized these attacks. Otherwise there is no way US military forces would venture into Pakistan and kill people. So thats really not the question (despite that idiot Husain Haqani’s press statementthat he is “assured” by US officials that Bush has not authorized any such thing).

Whats interesting is the aftermath of the attacks and how it plays out.

This is where difference between a democracy and a dictatorship becomes very clear. While Mushy would have arbitrarily made an arrangement with Washington or tribals to do one or the other thing, PPP doesn’t have that luxury. They are boxed in through a political system that inherently requires accountability in public policy.

Ironically, PML-N’s Ahsan Iqbal made a statement (which was a very dumb statement in my view) that Pakistan may withdraw support from war in terror. We all realize that PML-N is practically an opposition party right now, but the statement made it to US media as if thats Pakistan’s new stance:

Now the really interesting thing is that no one believes that Zardari has the backbone to withstand any American pressure (in fact we all think he is the Pak version of Karzai). Still Kiyani came out with a very strong statement opposing US attacks inside Pakistan. This is very uncomfortable for Pres Zardari. On one hand he has to placate his masters in Washington that he will be a reliable puppet, but with a minority government (PPP doesn’t have majority in the Parliament on its own), and having to deal with pressure both in Parliament and in public, Zardari has to walk a very tight line.

No one wants areas of Pakistan to be havens for terrorists, as these morons routinely attack and kill civilians in Pakistani cities. At the same time, our own military forces have proven incapable of eliminating these threats from our territory (Wana/Waziristan operations all ended up with “deals” offered to locals), and no one wants foreign forces to be operating openly inside Pakistan territory as well. In this situation, something or the other has to give in. Lets see who blinks first. Its a classic Catch-22.

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Pakistan is not doing enough to wipe off extremism from the bordering areas, therefore US has no choice but to go in and eradicate it themselves. Pakistan is a sissy country and do not have the balls to stop US from doing whatever the hell they want to do within Pakistani borders. Sovereign nation my a$$!

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Kiyani coming out and gave the statement that we will defend Pakistan's borders at cost is very un Kiyani-ic. He must have felt that government is bowing down to the pressure after reading Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Defense Minister's statements...

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symbolicaly Pak army has to down atleast one Drone to rest speculations of its sencerity to defend its borders.

Historicaly talibans cum Alqay-da (Bandit formation) have downed gunship helicopetrs, drones and tomahawks in their covet operation.

Pak Army is responsible for its sovereign borders. It is their duty to not allow such incursions and attacks.

I guess PAF is waiting for “Strike-3 :k:” signal. Then the hell should brack loose !!!

PS: Hamid Gul is a tyrant and should be procecuted for passing on so much opnions about his ex-Office and ex bosses. Such opinions and forcasting has turned the tables against Pakistan.
The penality for such acts is punishable by death panelty