Bush and Hitler.. similarities? (Split)

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Your reasoning is totally biased and twisted. I didnt see one argument you put forward which makes any sense. I was just watching a programme on British TV, remember they are Bush's poodles. Even they were saying that with the primaries for the next election round the corner no American presidential candidate dare upset Israel because of its powerful lobbies. They were disucssing this in the light of the so called road map issued by the Bush administration to pull the wool over the muslim eyes. So much of your logic on Israel V America policy. The whole world knows how much influence Israel has, If you don't well time for you to go and do some research.

Iran and Syria are being threatened because they are muslim countries and more so because they are a thorn in the Israeli eyes. If shuttling jehadis across the border is such a cirme then why is America not issuing the same threats to JORDAN. Watch CNN and Fox news the news you will trust and you will see that the jehadis are crossing the border from Jordan as well right in fornt of the eyes of the cameras. So where is the threat, or do Americans not issue threats to puppet regimes or the ones who are no threat to Israel. Get real.

Lets look at the muslim world. Afghanistan was attacked, thousands of innocent people were killed and the Americans fail to acheive their objective which was to capture or kill OBL or Mullah Omar. Have you heard about them recently?

Then Iraq was started, in the name of getting rid of WMD. It was a cover up to attack a muslim country and soon became clear that the objective changed from WMD to overthrow the regime and try and warn others in the region.

Tell me something, if destruction of WMD is the objective then why is Israel not being asked to destroy its nuclear weapons. Show me one statement by Bush asking Israel to do so? Why not? I hope you wont skirt the issue and reply to it. That might tell you who is under whose influence.

Wasn't it Bush who used the word crusade first??? Don't tell me he is stupid enough not to realise the implications of this. Or maybe he is?

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The producer of the CBS miniseries “Hitler: The Rise of Evil” says it is a warning to the American people that if they don’t watch out the Bush administration could morph into a carbon copy of Hitler’s National Socialist dictatorship.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/4/3/111255

I think it’s a bit late to ‘watch out’ more like watch him frog march.

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Then WHAT are you arguing for? Saddam is a war criminal and must be removed. Period.
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Given the above statement, why isn't Ariel Sharon being removed from power? He's a war criminal.

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**The producer of the CBS miniseries "Hitler: The Rise of Evil" says it is a warning to the American people that if they don't watch out the Bush administration could morph into a carbon copy of Hitler's National Socialist dictatorship.*
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whoa:~/

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There were slightly different circumstances in the rise of Hitler's dictatorship. Germany had no democratic tradition. Many parties of the time were deeply opposed to the creation of a democracy - old monarchists, the army, the industrialists, the Nationalists and several other conservative parties. The chances of Bush, in just two years, turning back a 225 year tradition of democracy - is nil.

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err Seminole.. how did Bush become president?? did the people decide it??

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Germany had no democratic tradition...
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Wrong. Germany was a parliamentary democracy from 1871 when it was unified, and remained so formally into the mid 1930's, and let's not forget that Adolf Hitler came to power through the ballot box.

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Nope Germany was not a functioning democracy until the weimar repblic was established.

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So if another Hitler came to power, we should sit around and clap our hands?
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Hitler did something to deserve what he got...This is not preemptive action, this is a premeditative murder of a nation...And I still was unaware that people can still be so very dense...Whatever wisdom does trickle through the quagmire falls on barren soil...

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Then WHAT are you arguing for? Saddam is a war criminal and must be removed. Period.
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Why don't you go and fight beside the Coalition forces if your convictions are so strong, if not, pipe down...

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Here is a little history lesson.

In the 1930's, the ba'ath party in present day Iraq and syria aligned it self with Hitler's Nazi party to go against the british. THe indoctrination into fascist controls ala the nazis have continued since that time. Saddam Hussein is a direct descendent of that ideology. To suggest that Bush is akin to Hitler is like suggesting Halle Berry looks like Phyllis Diller.

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Here is a little history lesson.

In the 1930's, the ba'ath party in present day Iraq and syria aligned it self with Hitler's Nazi party to go against the british. THe indoctrination into fascist controls ala the nazis have continued since that time. Saddam Hussein is a direct descendent of that ideology. To suggest that Bush is akin to Hitler is like suggesting Halle Berry looks like Phyllis Diller.
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Wrong baby, the party was launched in 1947 in Damascus, Syria, where since 1963 it has been the ruling party. The Iraqi branch was formed in 1954 and by the late 1960s had split from the Syrian wing in a dispute over leadership.

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Sorry Lajawab...it should read the "founders and followers of Ba'ath party"

Bernard Lewis writes, "German philosophy ..enjoyed a considerable vogue among the Muslim intellectuals in the 1930's and 1940's) and this philosophic anti-americanism was a big part of that message". He further goes on to say that "this Nazi version of german ideologies was influential in the nationalist circles, notably among the founders and followers of the ba'ath party in Syria and Iraq. " The french surrender to germany in 1940 and the resulting change in control of french territories of Syria and Lebanon remained under the control of the Vichy government and were readily accesible to the Germans to set up a base of operations for their activities in the arab world. Notably, an attempt to set up a pro-nazi regime in Iraq. The foundation of hte ba'ath party dates from this period.

Although the germans were sent packing in 1941, the ba'ath party and it's nazi roots survived.

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Sorry Lajawab...it should read the "founders and followers of Ba'ath party"

Bernard Lewis writes, "German philosophy ..enjoyed a considerable vogue among the Muslim intellectuals in the 1930's and 1940's) and this philosophic anti-americanism was a big part of that message". He further goes on to say that "this Nazi version of german ideologies was influential in the nationalist circles, notably among the founders and followers of the ba'ath party in Syria and Iraq. " The french surrender to germany in 1940 and the resulting change in control of french territories of Syria and Lebanon remained under the control of the Vichy government and were readily accesible to the Germans to set up a base of operations for their activities in the arab world. Notably, an attempt to set up a pro-nazi regime in Iraq. The foundation of hte ba'ath party dates from this period.

Although the germans were sent packing in 1941, the ba'ath party and it's nazi roots survived.
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So should we try Rumsfeld and previous American administrations for having contacts with Nazi parties. It was only until recently that Saddam was an angel and darling of the Americans and Rumsfeld was in Baghdad licking Saddam's ass.

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Would you extend the same courtesy to the French and the Russians? The fact is that ba'ath party is more closely akin to the Nazi party than let's say the Republican party, or even more closely the california republicans that make up the current government in the US. The parallel of bush to Hitler is not only ridiculous but I would confidently say is extremely STUPID.

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You didnt answer my question whether the American adminsitration should be tried for having contacts with nazis in Iraq. Answer the question. The comparison is not stupid, you just need to grow up and remove those BLINKERS. There is a world outside of the USA. Who cares about your confidence level and does it carry any weight or importance. I don't think so.

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US also had relations with Stalin during WWII. Our foreign policy has always been about tackling the greater evil. Hitler before Hirohito. COmmunism before islamic fundamentlism. Islamic fndamentalism before NK. These are the consistent ways in which foregin policy has been conducted.

The obvious point you missed or can;t fathom is that the baath party is based on nazi ideology unlike the republican party in the US. So any correlation between Dubya to Hitler misses the mark completely. Although, Saddam and Hitler have a lot more in common in terms of governance and ideology.

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How did Hitler come to power?

The Nazi Movement was born in the early 20's and carried out its first violent attack in the Munich Beer Hall putsch. in 1923 Hitler raided a meeting at the Munich city beer hall where Bavarian State Commissioner Gustav von Khar was speaking. Hitler entered the meeting and occupied the premises. He announced national revolution but this coup failed. Hitler was arrested and lived as an exile for nine months.

After a number of years when the Nazi party grew stronger, the party became important. In 1933 Hitler was made chancellor. The post was conferred upon him by the elderly President Hindenburg, who was aware that the growing power of the national Socialist Movement was increasingly menacing and therefore made Hitler chancellor in order to avert civil war. When Hitler ran for election in March, the German parliament immediately passed the Enabling Act, which made Hitler dictator of Germany for four years.

In 1934 Hitlers powers were increased when after the death of Hindenberg, the offices of president and chancellor merged, with Hitler assuming them both. After this Hitler banned all oppositin parties and outlawed trade unions thereby completely eliminating personal freedom!

There you have it.

However, all fascist regimes not just Hitlers use propoganda in order to impose their will on the public. Fascist regimes permit only its own ideology to be taught.

Yes, you can argue that Saddam also fits this bill, because Iraq has been covered with huge pictures of him, and in them he is shown in different roles. A leader, a farmer, a worker, and a soldier. He makes his presence felt everywhere, in an attempt to give the impression of being'one who sees all and knows all'.

But in reality is Bush any different in imposing the ideology of 'survival of the strongest'?

Food for thought.

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Here is another short history lesson.. I’ll try and lay out the chilling parallels to be drawn for the benefit of the US-High-School-educated-Network-media-weaned-members of the readership.

Lest We Forget

*Hitler stated his beliefs and ideas for Germany’s future, which included plans to overthrow regimes of countries he perceived to be dangerous to Germany’s security… *

Bush Doctrine?

The Nazis’ organization, discipline and financial backing from wealthy industrialists…

Bush and Republican Party’s fan base..

Hitler began to assemble some of the people who would help him rise to power.

Bush is however surrounded out of his own free will by a group of neo-cons whose allegiances lie elsewhere.

…Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger..

The actual state of the Union today..

*The majority of the people did not want Hitler to become chancellor *

Bush lost the popular vote..

On February 27, a fire began that destroyed the Reichstag building. Many historians believe that it was planned by the Nazis. Although a full investigation was never conducted

Further investigations into 9/11 have been shelved. Funding for the investigation has been pulled.

President von Hindenburg then signed an emergency decree that gave the government unprecedented power

Enter Patriot Act I, passed sans deliberation through Congress

*On March 23, 1933, the Nazi-dominated Reichstag passed a law “for the removal of distress from the people and the state”. The law, known as the Enabling Act, in effect suspended basic civil and human rights in Germany. *

Enter Patriot Act II, waiting on the sidelines for another staged terror attack.

The Nazis used the press, radio and films to flood Germany with propaganda praising the ‘New Order’

The presstitutes, in-bedded reporters and squak-radio is doing just that

German citizens were kept in a constant state of fear that their country might be attacked by its enemies

The “War on Terror” goes on..

Hitler also felt he had a personal relationship with God and saw God as his aid in ruling the German Reich

Bush is a born again Christian

The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects

Replace Jews with Muslims.

The German military forces were to be supported without question as the defenders of Germany’s safety and greatness. Those who protested were accused of a lack of patriotism

Support Our Troops… otherwise you’re an un-American pinko commie liberal.

Without provocation, Germany then invaded Poland, a sovereign country that could not defend itself and was no threat whatsoever to German national security, overrunning it just a few weeks

Can you say Eye-Rack?

“It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them.”
– Adolf Hitler

Well it appears there is afterall one difference.. Hitler knew what he was doing.

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They fired him :slight_smile:

“Hitler” Producer Fired](Breaking Celebrity News, Entertainment News and Celeb Gossip)