Bush Administration tore out 8000 pages of Iraq dossier

Talk about blatant interferance! Even Kofi Anan has accepted it was a big mistake in allowing the Bush Administration access to the complete dossier.. After 8000 pages have been torn out, does this not make a complete sham of the whole affair and prove there is no justification for war.

America tore out 8000 pages of Iraq dossier](http://www.sundayherald.com/30195) Sunday Herald, UK.

By James Cusick and Felicity Arbuthnot

THE United States edited out more than 8000 crucial pages of Iraq’s 11,800-page dossier on weapons, before passing on a sanitised version to the 10 non-permanent members of the United Nations security council. The full extent of Washington’s complete control over who sees what in the crucial Iraqi dossier calls into question the allegations made by US Secretary of State Colin Powell that ‘omissions’ in the document constituted a ‘material breach’ of the latest UN resolution on Iraq.

Last week, Secretary General of the UN Kofi Annan accepted that it was ‘unfortunate’ that his organisation had allowed the US to take the only complete dossier and edit it. He admitted ‘the approach and style were wrong’ and Norway, a member of the security council, says it is being treated like a ‘second-class country’.

Although Powell called the Iraqi dossier a ‘catalogue of recycled information and flagrant omissions’, the non-permanent members of the security council will have no way of testing the US claims for themselves. This will be crucial if the US and the UK go back to the security council seeking explicit authorisation for war on Iraq if breaches of resolution 1441 are confirmed when the weapons inspectors – this weekend investigating 10 sites in Iraq, including an oil refinery south of Baghdad – deliver their report to the UN next month.

A UN source in New York said: ‘The questions being asked are valid. What did the US take out? And if weapons inspectors are supposed to be checking against the dossier’s content, how can any future claim be verified. In effect the US is saying trust us, and there are many who just will not.’ Current and former UN diplomats are said to be livid at what some have called the ‘theft’ of the Iraqi document by the US. Hans von Sponeck, the former assistant general secretary of the UN and the UN’s humanitarian co- ordinator in Iraq until 2000, said: ‘This is an outrageous attempt by the US to mislead.’

Although the five permanent members of the security council – the US, the UK, France, China and Russia – have had access to the complete version, there was agreement that the US be allowed to edit the dossier on the ground that its contents were ‘risky’ in terms of security on weapons proliferation.

Yesterday, US President George W Bush announced that a planned trip to several African countries, scheduled for January, had been cancelled. As he gave the go-ahead to double the current 50,000 US troops deployed in the Gulf by early January, he used his weekly radio address to say that ‘the men and women in the [US] military, many of whom will spend Christmas at posts and bases far from home’ were the only thing that stood between ‘Americans and grave danger’.

An equally pessimistic view of the immediate future came from the Vatican. Pope John Paul II promised the Catholic church would not cease to have its voice heard and would offer prayers ‘in the face of this horizon bathed in blood’.

Despite the prayers, the US military isn’t expecting peace. Yesterday, General Richard Myers, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, was asked if US forces were ready if called upon immediately. General Myers simply said: ‘You bet.’ The language coming from Baghdad was equally gung ho. The Iraqi newspaper Babel, owned by Saddam Hussein’s eldest son Uday, likened US and UK political leaders to ruthless Mongol conquerors of the past.

What I don't understand is why Iraq doesn't mail the full report to all members directly, or even put it on the net....

Stuff the USA, I say, on their paternalistic/overbearing/dictatorial attitude.

Good thing is..U.S. isn't the only country with the complete report..

*Although the five permanent members of the security council -- the US, the UK, France, China and Russia *----have had access to the complete version, there was agreement that the US be allowed to edit the dossier on the ground that its contents were 'risky' in terms of security on weapons proliferation.

I think I would agree that there is probobly sensitive information in the dossier...that some countries probobly shouldn't have...

On the other hand... if Iraq is accused of witholding information..why have sections been removed? If Iraq supplied sensitive enough information to warrant removal ... Does't that imply complience?

I do think Saddam is a savy politician and its possible that he is taking a gamble and playing games, also possible that U.S. has classified evidence of WMD program.

Prior to hauling out the big guns to Iraq..concrete evidence needs to be provided the world..otherwise how can we Americans regard ourselves with dignity? I myself personally will feel shame if I am not 100% convinced that a case has been rightly made to attack Iraq.

And...

I'll bet in the future there will be a conspiracy theory bestseller written based on this very subject. :)

8000 pages ripped out by America oh my dayz

No wonder they crying gaps in report they tore 8000 pages out the crooks!

these American officials and government are no better then common criminals they are terrorists in suits :mad2:

We had the Iraq Incubator hoax propogated by the Bush Administration prior to the last Iraq war; perhaps we are now seeing the Iraq WMD Hoax.. an attempt to fool the whole world into believing that Iraq has WMD, even after Mr.Bush ordered that 8,000 pages of the Iraq dossier be destroyed and later his claims that Iraq has failed to provide enough information about its WMD programme. I think millions of people will be more skeptical than ever about the Bush Administrations claims about Iraq.

I can believe that Iraq is a poor country right now, but I don't think they are so poor that they can not produce a complete set of dossier for the consumption of UN officials.

Non-permanent members of SC can go take a hike (since they are non-nuclear powers anyway), but atleast the UN Inspectors and Kofi Anan's men should have a complete dossier provided by the Iraqis first hand. That will allow them to (1) Carry out inspections based on complete information, and (2) Allow UN Secy General and his team to verify any claims made by US of missing information.

To say that the ONLY set of dossier was handed out to US to make copies, and hence NO ONE IN THE WORLD now has another complete dossier smacks of amateur housekeeping, not suitable for government-level dealings, especially on such sensitive matters which can lead to a massive war and thousands of deaths.

I think the way forward should be for the US to stop the media war (of saying its incomplete blah blah) and instead provide UN inspectors with information which US believes suggest presence of WMD in Iraq. The UN inspectors should verify the information from position on the ground, instead of solely relying on US intelligence, which has proved patchy and incorrect in numerous instances in the past. Once the UN inspectors conclude one way or the other (whether Iraq has or has not WMD), then they should report back to UN, and it should decide whether Iraq has complied with UN resolutions.

The present situation of he-said-she-said is quite pathetic for a matter of such importance.

Faisal,

Extremely well said.

My only problem with this is that the WMD becomes the focus, and the game of cat and mouse will decide the fate of many innocent humans.

Saddam has committed genocide on his people. No one argues that. No one has ever debated that he has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his people, Muslims, and innocents.

To imagine that his survival and the fate of the Iraqi people is determined by a game of cat and mouse because it is the only common ground agreeable to the Security Council is an affront to mankind.

The larger issue is whether the UN can secure a future of hope and dignity for the Iraqi people, or whether they will be slaves to a tyrant. And whether their sons will be slaves. And whether the UN has the courage to claim that the WMD are simply a symptom of a deeper cancer, or whether they let it pass, and the world ignores the acts of a mongrel posing as a king.

Ohioguy,

Much as we all despise Saddam and his regime, we must be clear on what is the issue here. After the Gulf war ended, the Iraqis agreed to disband their WMD programs and UN inspections are part of that agreement. That is, to ensure that Iraq has discontinued its programs for WMD. Thats all. Thats their mandate. Nothing more.

Regime change in any sovereign country of the world, under whatever grounds and historical instances, is NOT within UN mandate. Worse tyrrants have been over-thrown in the passage of time. This decision should be for the people of Iraq, not for politicians in Washington or New York. Remember tyrrants like Shah of Iran, Marcos of Phillipines, and Causesco of Romania. I am sure, in not so distant future, Saddam will have a similar fate. The change will be there. Only, it should not be brought about by a foreign government acting on supreme paranoia.

So lets not confuse the issue here by bringing our hatred for Saddam and making up an improbable mixture of apples and oranges. It is improper for US or UN or UK or any 'U' to take it upon themselves to rule another sovereign nation by installing a puppet government to suit their needs. Might is Right is a dangerous historical precendent, which can not be justified in the modern law-abiding commity of nations. As Americans, you can gleefully disregard international laws and norms, confident in your military prowess, but, you will find out in a horrible way that this is an unfortunate development for this world. Its about time, US stops trying to be the policeman of the world. When the repercussions hit home, you will go in mourning for many years.

I dont even understand why countries like UK and US do get a copy of it in first hand. This should be only in hand directed by UN no US, but when I read todays headline that UN is preparing for a war situation in IRAQ I hardly want to keep differ between UN and US. Who are the weapon inspectors, CIA Agents or UN workers?
I don't see no changes?!

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
I can believe that Iraq is a poor country right now, but I don't think they are so poor that they can not produce a complete set of dossier for the consumption of UN officials.

Non-permanent members of SC can go take a hike (since they are non-nuclear powers anyway), but atleast the UN Inspectors and Kofi Anan's men should have a complete dossier provided by the Iraqis first hand.
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I realize the excuse used to restrict the circulation of the complete dossier to the 5 veto dictators is based on nuclear know-how, but does this mean that if Pakistan or India were non-permanent members of the security council at this time, they would have gotten access to the complete dossier as well?

And even if Iraq does go ahead now and provides complete copies to anyone it wishes to, the US can easily say that hey, this submission is different from what we got....not that the US needs any more excuses to attack Iraq at this point.

The dossier distribution suffered from mismanagement on part of the UN, not the US, something which Koffi Annan acknowledged, though a bit too late. But regardless, I dont even know why the entire world or the US is dancing over this issue, since the war is pretty much a done deal. The UN inspectors in Iraq are virtually wasting their time and UN money. Attacking Iraq is a US policy issue at this time, and will not be changed, even if the UN inspectors find Iraq to be free of all weapons, not just WMDs.

Russian rebuke of US claim deepens Security Council rift over Iraq](http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1429_W_721939,00.html) Deutsche Welle World News. Germany 26 Dec 02

Russia widened a rift on the UN Security Council over Iraq, when it insisted that no evidence had yet been produced to support the US contention that Iraq was a terrorist threat. Russia’S Deputy Foreign Minister Yury Fedotov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying that no one had provided the slightest hard evidence that Iraq represented such a threat.

This was a direct challenge to claims by the United States and Britain, that they had proof that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction, a claim Baghdad vehemently denies. Russia, one of the five permanent security council members with veto power, opposes unilateral US military intervention against Iraq.

don’t worry … things are in progress … one attack in chechniya 2day … a few more in moscow and other cities of russia would bring moscow into the allied forces to attack iraQ, ofcourse USA will link all these attacks to iraQ :slight_smile: :k:

:wave:

Perhaps thats what the hawks within the Bush Administration would love to happen, but I think the Russians will refuse to link the chechen war with the Iraq conflict; what you must remember is that Iraq has always been Russias ally within the Region.. the Iraqis do not support the Chechen cause. If Russia did support a war, there would be far reaching consequences for the whole region. Russia is currently facing an image crisis, it has lost its status as a Super Power and is now in danger of losing its Regional Power status .. it would also hurt Russian economic interests hard i.e. Iraq Oil Plc.. I think if Russia does side with the Bush Adminstration it would only be as a last resort i.e. only if the UN concludes that Iraq has WMD and after all diplomatic channels have ended with the UN authorising the use of force.