Bush administration opposes Pakistan linked-aid bill

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Re: Bush administration opposes Pakistan linked-aid bill

@ikarhoon

you have to make sure to differentiate between the different types of 'taliban'. Offcourse there are some who support al-qaeda/terorism etc, and they are scrum, but there arent too many of them. Alot of the tribals have learnt that supporting terrorism is not in their best intrest. Most of the tribals really want is a Pashtun dominated government in Afghanistan, you have to know, that Northern Alliance/farsiwaans took control of Afghanistan and gave basically no role to the pashtun majoirty who are concenstrated in the south and south-west of afghanistan. ALot of propagangda is going on by the Northern Alliance governemtn in afghanistan who lalbel peopel who support a pashtun dominated government in afghanistan as terroists, which is wrong. Even now you can see that the farsiwaans controled government has basicaly no law and order. Drug production in afghanistan is at an alltime high, the so called afghani governments reach of power doesnt extend from more then the city limits of kabul. pashtun dominated governments have always kept law, and order and peace. it was the pashtuns who finaly brought peace to civil war in afganistan, it was them who curbed drug production. the socio-ppoltical situation in those areas is VERY complicated, and one had to do a great deal of research to fully understand it.

What you said is true, I agree 100%, but these mollah phoebic, MQM loving wizards will continue to babble what their leader says, so no point in reasoning with them.

Altaf Bhaiya a visionary LOL!

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more proof that we need republicans in power. idiotic democrats

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@Khehkeshan

You people just don’t get it do you? Look at what is happening in Iraq and come to your senses. It will become a matter of life and death for many people and you are worried about what the Taliban will think of you? If you don’t kill them now, they will only get emboldened and it will be too late when they start beheading and bombing your families and friends in our cities.

We have been down this road before, look what happened when we encouraged madrassa culture and what came of it. And now you all want to go back to appeasement? When will we learn from our history and listen to visionary leaders like Altaf Hussain who warned of the mullah threat while the whole country was parading mullahs on their shoulders like heroes. Who was right in the end? Get over your egos and think of the danger that is looming.

You can’t win the hearts and minds of the current jihadis, you can of the fewer generations but only after you kill of the current terrorists and their infrastructure. If it appears even a little that they have won the fight like it does in Waziristan, then the fight is over before it has even really begun.

Kill them how? They blend in with the locals, and Pakistan simply doesnt have the capcity to eliminate them without causing civilian casualties.. And if there are civilian casualties, people will blame the govt for attacking it own people!
These are rebel guerillas… And to add to this, Talibanism isnt a miltary movement, its become a state of mind, a way of thinking… It has already become a Cancer. I doubt these current Taliban have anything to do with the earlier one, these groups just sprouted up claiming to be Taliban and simply adopted the more draconian aspects of Taliban rule in Afghanistan…
I have no love for the Taliban, but outright war is going to spill out over all of Pakistan and risk alienating the Pasthun areas even more.
And Altaf Hussein may be visionary, but how much vision do you need to see the obvious, that an all out war in Waziristan isnt what we want and that to truly get rid of the problems there you have to use a carrot and stick method.

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Emboldening the jihadis by handing them a victory, even a a small one, will just bring the end state of the cancer that much quicker. We all have eyes, ears and minds to see what has happened and what is happening in the world. Some of us will ignore it and all of us will pay the price. Some continue to think that this war is being fought for America, and that it won't matter to Pakistan who wins or loses. This is delusional thinking, we will have a future of Iraq or Afghanistan if the extremist forces are not crushed.

I really have no more to add to this subject.

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Kheh, if only for a little while you think out of the box, I know everyones influenced by what their leader says (I am too), but lets just leave aside Altaf's thoughts on the matter and consider this.

I am no supporter of extremism or mollahism, and you know that. BUT I do believe its in the best interests of Pakistan to try and consider its own people's interests and safety rather than blindly accepting whatever someone outside states. Maybe these attacks that recently took place in Waziristan were aimed at terrorists, but the fact is, civilians died as a result. This makes alot of people unhappy and this will only cause more and more people to take revenge, I know you belong to a different region in Pakistan but people in Waziristan value their honor and dignity more than anything, its instinctive to them, and they will seek revenge against whoever played a part in the death of their brothers.