Bursting the Bubble

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Right now there is a post going on which say Indian cant play fast Bowlers.I do agree with it .But I guess title should have been that Players from subcontinent cant play fast bowlers. Like if Indian are not good players of fast bowler then paksitanis are more patthetic than Indians in this regard.What is most surprising is that since paksitanis have produced somany Great fast bowlers Like Imran,Sarfaraz,Wasim,Waqar,Shoib,Mohd Sami etc etc and they get to practice against them on nets or in domestic matches still there are record is not great.

Anyway to do this analysis I picked 7 best bastman from both the contries.Gavaskar,Mohinder,Azhar,Vengsarkar,Vishwanath,Tendulkar and Dravid from India.And Javedm,Zaheer,Haneef,Inzamam,Saeed anwar,Salim malik and Majid khan from Pakistan ( we may have discssion about that these are not the best .In that case I will withdraw that name and replace with someone of your choice).After that I gathered there test statistics against **Fast Bowlers on Fast Pitches. **
Which mean we will be looking at their records against West Indies,Australia and South Africa in those respective countries.I purposely kept England out of list becouse they didnt really have great fast bowlers for last 15 yrs ,but if you want we can include England which will really make Dravid,Azhar and Tendulkars record more impressive.

Now here is the statistics



team   No of match  Total run  Highest  Average 100s 50s

Gavaskar
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in Australia          11   920 172   51.11   5   1   
in West Indies        13  1404 220   70.20   7   4   

Azhar
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in Australia           8   305 106   27.72   1   1      
in South Africa        7   280 115   23.33   1   1    
in West Indies         8   176  61   19.55   0   1   


Gundapa Vishwanath
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in Australia           8   686 114   45.73   1   5   
in West Indies         7   390 112   35.45   1   2   

Mohinder Amarnath
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in Australia           8   668 138   55.66   2   3   
in West Indies         9   877 117   54.81   2   6   


Vengsarkar
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in Australia          16   746  78   28.69   0   4   
in West Indies        11   449  94   24.94   0   3   

Tendulkar
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in Australia           8   646 148*  46.14   3   2   
in South Africa        9   636 169   42.40   3   1       
in West Indies         8   493 117   49.30   1   4      


Dravid
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in Australia           3    93  35   15.50   0   0      
in South Africa        5   379 148   42.11   1   2   
in West Indies         8   638 144*  70.88   1   5   


Javed Miandad
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in Australia          16  1028 131   38.07   2   7   
in West Indies         7   405 114   33.75   2   0   

zaheer Abbas
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in Australia          15  1097 101   40.62   1  10   
in West Indies         3   131  80   21.83   0   1   

Hanif Mohammad
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in Australia           1   197 104   98.50   1   1   
in West Indies         5   628 337   69.77   1   3   


Inzamam
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in Australia           6   492 118   41.00   1   3  
in South Africa        3   124  95   24.80   0   1  
in West Indies         6   467 135   46.70   2   2   

Saeed Anwar
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in Australia           3   282 119   47.00   1   2   
in South Africa        4   239 118   34.14   1   1   

Saleem Malik
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in Australia           6   344  77   38.22   0   3     
in South Africa        1   100  99   50.00   0   1      
in West Indies         3   147  66   29.40   0   1      


Majid Khan
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in Australia          11   716 158   35.80   2   2   
in West Indies         5   530 167   53.00   1   3

Looking for your comments!!!

Unka Jo Kaam hai Ahl-e-Siyasat Jaane,
Apna paigam muhabbat hai ,jahan tak pahuche

[This message has been edited by andha_qanoon (edited May 08, 2002).]

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You probably forgot to add two more names

1.Polly umrigar His away avg against West Indies was 55.83 in 10 tests he played in WI.

  1. Dilip Sardesai - Ajit Wadekar was so impressed with his batting against fast WI bowlers that he fought with the selection commitee to include him in to the 1971 team and We all know the results of that series. He also has a 50+ away avg against the west indies in 9 or 10 (not sure) tests he played in WI

AK

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Itna Sannata Kyon hai ?

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Iss liye kay, we’ve all been stumped by your brilliant logic!

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I don't see any difference between the players from the 2 sides, the averages are similar, but you also have to look at the time periods the batsman played in, you can't compare Gavaskar and Hanif's perofrmance to Dravids because Westindies has changed too much.
Same goes for the pace attack, you can't compare Westindies pace attack to todays pace attack.
That means you are comparing the trio of Garner, Holder, Marshall to todays Dillon, Cuffy and Sanford, no comparison at all.

Same goes for South Africa, in early 90s when S Africa resumed their test status they had super fast bowlers like Donald and Schultz but now eventhough the attcak is good but the pace isn't the same.

So far your stats haven't proved anything.

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[quote]
Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**I don't see any difference between the players from the 2 sides, the averages are similar, but you also have to look at the time periods the batsman played in, you can't compare Gavaskar and Hanif's perofrmance to Dravids because Westindies has changed too much.
Same goes for the pace attack, you can't compare Westindies pace attack to todays pace attack.
That means you are comparing the trio of Garner, Holder, Marshall to todays Dillon, Cuffy and Sanford, no comparison at all.

Same goes for South Africa, in early 90s when S Africa resumed their test status they had super fast bowlers like Donald and Schultz but now eventhough the attcak is good but the pace isn't the same.

So far your stats haven't proved anything.

**
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This simple fact can't get into your mind. Has he ever mentioned the WI bowlers ?? All he is saying that the claim 'Indian Batsmen can't play fast bowling' is not true. Indian batsman are as good or as bad as pakistani batsmen when it comes to batting against pace battery.

To support his claim he has selected the data of 6 best batsmen from each side and as you rightly observed, there isn't much difference in the avg., that means he is right.

AK

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Asif, this is what your buddy said in the begining of the post.

** But I guess title should have been that Players from subcontinent cant play fast bowlers. Like if Indian are not good players of fast bowler then paksitanis are more patthetic than Indians in this regard. **

No if I know how to read English, than he is saying the Pakistanis are more pathetic than Indians, who are worst players of the fast bowls.

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[quote]
Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**Asif, this is what your buddy said in the begining of the post.

** But I guess title should have been that Players from subcontinent cant play fast bowlers. Like if Indian are not good players of fast bowler then paksitanis are more patthetic than Indians in this regard. **

No if I know how to read English, than he is saying the Pakistanis are more pathetic than Indians, who are worst players of the fast bowls.

**
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Ok I retract my statement, thought it can easily be proved by the data here.But then my intention is not do undermine or humiliate anyone here.
What I was trying to say that ** STOP making these baseless stuff on Indians and stop taking pleasure out of it becouse its not true. You arnt any better.**

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It depemds on which player you are talking about, you got Tendulkur and Sehwag who can play fast bowlers very well, and Dravid and Ganguly can't.
Most Indians can't, some can.

Same deal with Pakistani players, so far all current Pakistani players are all good with the pace bowling, they can play short pitched bowls ver well, probably the best is Saeed.

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[quote]
Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**It depemds on which player you are talking about, you got Tendulkur and Sehwag who can play fast bowlers very well, and Dravid and Ganguly can't.
Most Indians can't, some can.

Same deal with Pakistani players, so far all current Pakistani players are all good with the pace bowling, they can play short pitched bowls ver well, probably the best is Saeed.

**
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Dravid Cant??
Speaks of your knowledge of cricket.

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My knowledge of cricket isn't much but I do know for sure that Dravid is not a good player of short pitched deliveries, his backfoot never works.

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AQ, None of the Indian players can play fast bowling. We can bowl fast either. and yes Dravid can't play Short pitched deliveries and that is the reason bowlers dont bowl him one because every time there is a short pitch bowl, it goes to the ropes.

AK

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?

  1. You are saying he can’t play short pitched deliveries and thats the reason bowlers don’t bowl him short pitched deliveries

  2. and then you are saying every time he faces a short pitched bowl it goes over the boundry?

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