Detainees at Guantanamo? No. Innocent Iraqi residents - during another of the “raids”.
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Drug raids look the same in anytown U.S.A.
This is done not only for the protection of the soldiers but also for the Iraqis.
Guerrilla war feared in Iraq, Jonathan Marcus
BBC, 27 June 2003
Yep, it's a mess.
And you guys promised control, order and a working society.
(http://www.thenewstalk.com/showarticle.php?threadid=357)
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Its so clear the Iraqis don’t want the Americans in there land at all, but GI Joe is so ignorant, they think they can walk in on any country and do as they please. Below is clear example of how ignorant of the situation these americans are they think they in miami beach or somehting they can go to walmart and do some shopping and act like nothign happened sheesh :konfused:
An 11 year old boy run over by an American tank. No one stopped to see whether or not his tiny corpse might still have a faint pulse in it somewhere. Keep doing ‘stuff’ like this and you will endear yourself with absolutely no one in the country.
Death on the road to Basra, Tristana Moore, BBC, 28 June 2003
^ Nadia do you understand collateral damage?
i think i am slowly learning the meaning.
*Two U.S. soldiers who went missing in Iraq on Wednesday were found dead north of Baghdad, a senior U.S. military officer said Saturday.
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Out of curiosity Nadia, why do you assume that the people pictured in both photos are “innocent” Iraqi residents?
The caption for the top photo indicates that the event was after the amnesty to turn in weapons. We simply do not know who those Iraqi people are, whether they had a weapons cache or not, and whether there was legitimate reason to cuff and blindfold them. For all we know, they might even have been arrested and turned over to the Iraqi authorities for prosecution under Iraqi law. This is occuring now you know.
As to the second/bottom photo, it does appear from the caption as if this family was released and received an apology for being cuffed with plastic bands for some period of time. They were undoubtedly “innocent” Iraqi residents. But, equating their treatment with prisoners at Guantanomo Bay is a bit of a stretch don’t you think? Every day in America some policemen detain and cuff innocent Americans as well. Is the standard to which you are holding American troops in Iraq a standard of perfection that cannot even be achieved during normal, day to day policing in a domestic tranquil environment?
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Every day in America some policemen detain and cuff innocent Americans as well. Is the standard to which you are holding American troops in Iraq a standard of perfection that cannot even be achieved during normal, day to day policing in a domestic tranquil environment?
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Lets look at this statement, "Every day in America"... myvoice, these pictures are not from america but Iraq. You see Iraq is not an American Colony. Iraqis did not agree to become a part of the states.
People are trying to hold the amercian soldiers to the standards promised by the leaders of our country (i.e.Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld).
BTW, do they usually handcuff inncoent children in domestic raids? Just wondering.... maybe you can come up with some other explaination.
I have no idea the circumstances of the above pictures, but I do know that the Iraqi government has trained children as young as 10 to fight through ambushes, sniping, and terrorist-type operations. So the presumption of "innocent" children is a lot easier to make while posting on the internet than it is for the troops facing hostile circumstances.
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Lets look at this statement, "Every day in America"... myvoice, these pictures are not from america but Iraq.
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Exactly my point. America is not a country that has had a 25 year dictatorship removed from power, an entire bureaucracy removed and that faces an unstable environment of law and order. One would not expect that policing in such an environment would be easier than in a stable law abiding society. The fact that these very same things occur in a domestically tranquil society (whether it be the US, Canada, the UK, etc.) is indicative of the fact that it is unreasonable to think that they will not occur in Iraq. Plastic handcuffs are certainly more humane and acceptable than innocent Iraqi residents having their tongues cut out under the former regime.
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: * People are trying to hold the amercian soldiers to the standards promised by the leaders of our country (i.e. Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld).
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Pleeeeaazzzzze. No one can or has promised perfection as a standard in the US let alone in Iraq. The US soldiers in Iraq are probably doing a better job and being a little more restrained than the LAPD on one of their better days.
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: * BTW, do they usually handcuff inncoent children in domestic raids? Just wondering.... maybe you can come up with some other explaination.
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As a general rule, everyone who is of an age that they could pose a risk to the officers performing their duties is restrained at the location of a domestic police raid. And usually, at the time of entry, everyone at the location is covered by police weapons until the premises is deemed controlled. You seem to believe that the mere categorization of someone as a woman or a child also makes them "innocent." That is a dangerous and naive belief that news from around the world, including the US, quickly belies.
If the cops or military personnel make a mistake and cuff an innocent person, objective observers usually try to find out whether the mistake was made in good faith or whether it is part of a pattern and practice of bad law enforcement.
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Maybe my Guantanamo analogy was a bit of a stretch. In that case, i sincerely apologize for that.
Just came across this.
US condemned over Iraq rights, BBC, 30 June 2003
A leading human rights group has criticised US treatment of detainees in Iraq, as the UN opened a workshop focusing on abuses committed by the regime of Saddam Hussein.
Amnesty International has warned that the “conditions of detention Iraqis are held under… may amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, banned by international law”.
The organisation says hundreds of people have been held without shelter or basic sanitation and denied access to lawyers.
But the Pentagon rejects the Amnesty allegations.