British response

Verizon · July 8, 2005, 12:41am

What would it be?
US attacked Afganistan and Iraq; Britain is part of the coalition in both places.
Will Britain do nothing, or add more troops in afgan/iraq theatres or pull out. I am sure the public/citizens will demand retribution.
Please opine

Talwar · July 8, 2005, 12:46am

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Me thinks they go after those who live in Britain and preach jihad, especially the hook handed mullah and the Bakri sheikh and Al Muhajiroun type jokers.

CM · July 8, 2005, 12:46am

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Kill a couple of women and children and call it freedom.

underthedome · July 8, 2005, 1:08am

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There is a difference between freedom of speech and the freedom to spread violence. I'm not for censorship but when those use speech to incite violence against innocents I'm for blowing their mouths away.

CM · July 8, 2005, 1:10am

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The same applies for the US President?

Verizon · July 8, 2005, 1:12am

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Interesting. I was reading an article just today and this name(al-muhajiroun) popped up.

Hizb ut-Tahrir

Co-founded by Omar Bakri Mohammed. Bakri came to the UK after being expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1986. Present Leader: Jalal Uddin Patel, little known Membership: Refused to reveal numbers

A hardline organization, with worldwide tentacles, this group is opposed to cooperation with any existing governments. Like other hardline groups, its main purpose is to re-establish the Caliphate.

The group’s first UK-based site was hosted by Imperial College London, but following complaints to the College authorities the site was closed down temporarily until a new host could be found. They now post in their own name as Hizb ut-Tahrir, and as Khilafah.

Bakri often presented himself as the spokesman of the International Islamic Front. He has described the International Islamic Front as the political wing of the [International] Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, led by Osama bin Laden.

Excerpts of another letter to Bakri by bin Laden, sent by fax from Afghanistan in the summer of 1998, were recently published in the Los Angeles Times. Bakri later released what he called bin Laden’s four specific objectives for a Jihad against the United States: “Bring down their airliners. Prevent the safe passage of their ships. Occupy their embassies. Force the closure of their companies and banks.”

Al-Muhajiroun

(Formed after a breakaway from Hizb ut-Tahrir)

Leader: Self-styled Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed

Membership: Refused to reveal numbers It has two wings–the da’wa (propagation) network and the jihad network. Al-Muhajiroun now denies that it recruits for jihad but it boasted of this before September 11. It aims to turn the UK into an Islamic state. It provides both financial and recruitment support for overseas Islamic groups and has a wide network of contacts around the world.

Though banned from most UK university campuses, as Bakri himself has admitted, al-Muhajiroun simply responded by using alternative and more innocuous titles for front groups.

Supporters of Sharia (Ansar Al-Shari’a)

Leader: Self-styled Sheikh Abu Hamza

Membership: Thought to be around 200

Associated closely with Finsbury Park mosque in north London until being banned from entering the building, the Supporters of Shari’a also wish to re-establish the Caliphate.

During the 1990s, Abu Hamza and his Supporters of Shari’a were considered the propagandists of the Algerian GIA (Groupe Islamique Arm) in Europe.

In February 1999, Abu Hamza revealed a plan to blow up military and civilian aircraft, so as to challenge the “Western monopoly of the skies.” He told the participants at a conference about experiments with a new weapon–flying mines connected to balloons–that are currently being carried out in Afghanistan.

At a meeting at the Finsbury Park mosque on June 29, 2001, according to La Repubblica, Abu Hamza proposed an ambitious but unlikely plot “which involved attacks carried out by planes,” to kill President Bush at the G-8 summit in Genoa. The Italian document concluded: “The belief that Osama bin Laden is plotting an attack is spreading among the radical Islamic groups.”

OTHER MAJOR ISLAMIST FIGURES

Other figures that have at one time found London to be highly conducive to their

activities include:

Abu Qatada

The “spiritual head of the Mujahideen across Europe” [5] and at one time a key ideologue in Al-Takfir wal-Hijrah, his name cropped up constantly not just in the context of the UK but across Europe. Cells broken up in Germany, Spain, France and Italy were all found to have connections to Abu Qatada. He ran the Baker Street Mosque in Marylebone which had figures like Zacarias Moussaoui attending. Videos of his speeches were found in the Hamburg flat of Mohamed Atta, the hijackers’ ringleader.

Abu Doha

An Algerian described by intelligence sources as Osama bin Laden’s main man in Britain, and accused of controlling Ahmed Rassam, who plotted to bomb Los Angeles airport in 1999. He was also linked to bomb plots in Strasbourg and Paris.

Khaled Al-Fawwaz

Established the Advice and Reformation Committee in July 1994 in London to campaign for Islamic law in Saudi Arabia. According to U.S. charges, the committee was in fact the global media operation for Al-Qaeda as well as a center for the passing of messages, information and money around the Al-Qaeda network.

Yasser al-Sirri

London-based Egyptian, taken into custody accused of aiding the murderers of the anti-Taliban warlord Ahmed Shah Massoud on the eve of the terrorist attacks. He was finally imprisoned for having appeared on video tapes advocating the murder of Hindus and the plundering of their wealth in the service of Islam.

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CM · July 8, 2005, 1:14am

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Link? www.cia.gov?

underthedome · July 8, 2005, 1:20am

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Could you give an example?

CM · July 8, 2005, 1:24am

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Lets see the whole you are against or with us part? The part of the crusades? Need more?

underthedome · July 8, 2005, 1:37am

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"With us” means against terror, "against us" means pro-terror. I don't agree with Bush' s language nor many of his polices. No question though that plenty of other right wingers are against innocents simply because they are Muslim or Gay...which ironically many Muslims are against innocent people just because their gay, different sides of the coin yet so close.

Verizon · July 8, 2005, 1:38am

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Oh I am sorry. http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?search=1&articleid=23565

Verizon · July 8, 2005, 1:39am

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P.S guys stick with the subject "british response"

mo293 · July 8, 2005, 1:43am

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Kill lots and lots of innocent people and then say 49, 69, 156, 205 yada yada terrorists were killed and if its impposible to label em terrorist just say collateral damage.

Talwar · July 8, 2005, 2:05am

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Well, the grapevine points to Blair and the Yard catching every joker who even whispers the word j-i-h-a-d and sends them to British version of Gitmo, say near the Falklands. Maybe they can call it Britmo.:D They should at least get the hook mullah and the Bakri mullah. Brits have been so tolerant of various "freedom fighters" and their supporters for so long. Let's see how long the tolerance lasts after the jihadis showed their "bravery" in London. Students of history will know that behind the stiff upper lip, Brits are the original gangstas. The Bulldog's bite is definitely worse than its bark.

CM · July 8, 2005, 2:13am

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So is the bad breath....

Mr_Fraudia · July 8, 2005, 2:14am

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yeah, idiots liek HT and mohajiroon have been corrupting the minds of impressionable kids..usually the nerdy, outcast types who are just happy to have “friends”

csp’n hook and his type need to go sorted out, and soon. Its been going on for way too long..forget the thugs liek al qaeda.. these low level ghundas have given muslims a bad name, serve as fertile recruitign ground for Future Terrorists of Al kayda, and have harassed every muslim who does not agree with their agenda.

swift and strong justice… next son of a bytch who starts yip yapping about khilafah and what nots in UK should be pimp slapped out of the country and he can yip yap all he want as long as its not in UK.

A swift ass kicking of extremists and these lunatic fringe groups will be beneficial to all In UK, muslims, christians, scientologists and aetheists

CM · July 8, 2005, 2:15am

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What fraudia no concept of freedom of speech for those who disagree?

Mr_Fraudia · July 8, 2005, 2:17am

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CM

no I have no concept of freedom of speech for those who harrass.
do you have any idea of what morons like HT and mohajiroon have done at UK unis?
ask someone who went to school there.

Talwar · July 8, 2005, 2:20am

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*(This is London Magazine)

Freedom of speech is one thing, but calling for murder is another.

The other aspect of these attacks is likely going to be a massive upswing in terms of support to the likes of BNP. Brits invented hooliganism too…*

Mr_Fraudia · July 8, 2005, 2:39am

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These punk asses are usually nerdy, low self esteem, idiots who get picked up by groups like HT and mohajiroun, and all talk a big talk like they are hot ****, but thats what most of them are... just yip yap. although I am covinced that these groups are a breeding ground for al qaeda's foot soldiers... not the psychos who plan the attacks but the expendable trash who just executes the attack.

banning these gorups outright is long long long overdue.