British Rats retreat from Basra Pounding (merged)

They wanted a cakewalk but looks like the Shias are prepared to defend their cities from invasion every bit as stiffly as Saddam’s regime. The oil grab will take a bit longer than expected if all Iraqi cities put up this much resistance against such over-whelming odds.

Desert Rats retreat under fire from Basra

By Ian Cobain in Amman and Philip Webster

BRITISH Forces beat a tactical retreat from Basra yesterday as they abandoned hopes of taking swift control of Iraq’s second city.
A British soldier was killed near al-Zubayr, south of the city, as units of the 7th Armoured Brigade, the Desert Rats, came under sustained mortar fire and unexpected resistance in areas outside the allied containment ring.

Elements of the brigade, including the Challenger 2 tanks of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, pulled away from the city early in the morning. Some of the strongest resistance came from the Fedayin militia and security services armed with rocket propelled grenades and machine guns.

Captain Patrick Trueman of the Guards said: “We’re currently taking stock of the situation. We were expecting a lot of hands up from Iraqi soldiers and for the humanitarian operation in Basra to begin fairly quickly behind us, with aid organisations providing food and water to the locals. But it hasn’t quite worked out that way. There are significant elements in Basra who are hugely loyal to the regime.”

The soldier died yesterday after being shot on Sunday night as he tried to calm rioting Iraqi civilians. It was reported that the shooting occurred during a “civil disturbance in the Basra area”, but the Ministry of Defence refused to give further details. Next of kin were informed. It brought the British death toll to 17.

The partial retreat from Basra underlined fears that British troops could be dragged into prolonged and bloody urban warfare. Tony Blair and Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, made the best of the difficulties there. Mr Blair said that Basra had been surrounded and the airport made secure. He said it could not be used as an Iraqi base. But he added there were “pockets of Saddam’s most fiercely loyal security services” who were holding out. “They are contained but still able to inflict casualties on our troops and so we are proceeding with caution.”

Mr Hoon said that the towns and cities in the south did not have military and strategic significance. They would be “liberated” eventually, but it was best to be patient, he said.

**Basra has been besieged since the weekend, but there was no sign that the Iraqi defence was about to crumble quickly. Nor did it appear that the civilian population was ready to welcome the troops with open arms. **

Coalition commanders had hoped that Basra would be a relatively easy prize for British troops. They had talked of the possibility of a negotiated surrender, and apparently believed that the city would then become a showcase for the liberation of Iraq.

After the withdrawal of the Desert Rats, British artillery shells were fired into the city, where 1,000 Iraqi fighters are believed to be sheltering, some in civilian buildings. There were fears that a strong Iraqi armoured division could be ready to push from inside Basra to try to retake the airport. British officers now believe that there may be a large number of T55 tanks in Basra.

Last night there were suggestions that Royal Marines and paratroopers might be called in. Both forces specialise in urban warfare and peacekeeping and are far better suited to street combat than the Challenger 2 tanks and Warrior armoured personnel carriers of the Desert Rats. “It looks like being a lot tougher than we thought,” one officer said.

Two other British soldiers were reported missing near Basra yesterday after Iraqi troops ambushed a convoy, and were feared to have been captured. Officials in Baghdad claimed that they were now holding both British and US prisoners of war. The soldiers’ Land Rover was ambushed by fighters using a rocket- propelled grenade.

Basra is a largely Shia city that has endured decades of Baathist terror, and was where the Iraqi people first rose up against Saddam in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War.

Its inhabitants have suffered more than most Iraqis under the 12 years of United Nations sanctions and it is also a place that remains scarred, not only by the fighting during which the uprising was ruthlessly suppressed, but by the eight years of war with Iran.

**Most of the troops defending the city yesterday were not only Shia, but were thought to be drawn largely from the regular Iraqi Army’s 51st Mechanised Division, rather than the Republican Guard or Fedayin. **

Iraqi commanders are trying to draw coalition forces into Basra in the hope that their American and British counterparts will be reluctant to call in the airstrikes and artillery bombardents which would doubtless bring victory, but which could also bring large numbers of civilian casualties.

British troops on the outskirts of Basra told reporters that they had been given warning to avoid inflicting any civilian casualties. On a bridge between the city and the airport, troops of a battle group composed of members of the Royal Fusiliers and the Queen’s Royal Lancers said that they had received orders not to fire on civilian areas without a clear view of the military target.

Yet more confirmation that even oppressed Iraqis don’t take kindly to invaders looting for oil.

Popular support held back by suspicion, fear and patriotism

By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor

OPPRESSED by decades of brutal dictatorship, Iraq’s Shia Muslim city of Basra was supposed to rise against Saddam Hussein and greet US and British soldiers as liberators.
**But nearly a week into the campaign, there is little evidence so far that the coalition forces are welcome in the southern Iraqi capital, and even fears that they are regarded as invaders by locals. **

Although no major population centre has yet been captured and secured by American and British forces, anecdotal evidence suggests that ordinary Iraqis have decidedly mixed views about the war, and regard the new arrivals with deep suspicion.

The view was confirmed at Safwan, scene of one of Saddam’s most brutal purges in 1991, and the first settlement reached by British and American forces. Although some villagers clapped and cheered at the sight of the first coalition armour, others demanded to know why the troops had come. One asked: “Are you going to steal our oil?”

The mood became darker when civilians were injured and killed by accident during fighting. “Is this peacekeeping?” the local imam asked visiting journalists. “We welcome the attack and this is what they do. If we had power now, we would hit the Americans.”

Heavier casualties in Basra, where reports suggest scores of civilians have been killed in allied bombing, could further erode support. There is also concern that delays to a humanitarian assistance operation will further undermine confidence in the coalition.

The biggest danger probably lies in the continued operations by forces loyal to Saddam Hussein and the Baathist regime. They have terrorised the local population for decades and still control many towns and villages. **“We always had the idea that everyone in this area hated Saddam,” said Captain Patrick Trueman, an officer in the Desert Rats, who are operating outside Basra. “Clearly there are a number who don’t.” **

Adnan Pachachi, a former Iraqi foreign minister living in exile in the Gulf, said: “There is no doubt that the people hate Saddam, but they are hesitant because they are not sure yet if he will stay in power.” This view was confirmed by an Iraqi army officer who wept when television cameras filmed him surrendering to British troops. He said that if he was recognised he would be killed by Saddam’s henchmen.

The White House insisted yesterday that it was not disappointed by the poor welcome US troops had received from Iraqi civilians. “The overall sense of liberation remains what we would expect,” a spokesman said. “It reinforces how much fear Saddam Hussein has left behind.” But that was hardly its message earlier this month, when Vice-President Dick Cheney said: “I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.”

Last week British forces were so confident of a quick victory in Basra that they were preparing to fly journalists into the city to film “scenes of jubilation”.

**Toby Dodge, an expert on Iraq at Warwick University, said that fear of the regime was only one factor. “I have always been struck by the tenacious sense of nationalism in Iraq,” he said. **

The Americans and British are blamed for failing to overthrow Saddam after the Gulf War in 1991 and allowing him brutally to suppress uprisings by Shias and Kurds.

To be remembered that these are the places where the anti-Saddams are in majority and yet they are causing heavy damage and problems to the anti-iraqi forces.
CNN has been reporting earlier that the Republican Army is causing those problems and reporting of iraqi fighter in civilians clothes. Are they so blind to see that no person on this earth will let his city his country his soil be conquered with ease and just sit back and hide in bunkers? These are civilians fighting for the legitimate cause to defend their nation! Even if being annoyed with Saddam regime this wont hinder them to fight back!

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The Anglo-Saxon invaders were gloating about how Iraqi’s especially the Shia’s would welocome them with open arms and flowers..now it turns out these people are actually putting up the fiercest resistance. God belss these people.

It will get really interesting when this happens…

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They are great fighters alright BUT only from 33K feet. The whole American strategic plan is based on triggering a coup so they don’t have to fight in Baghdad… And if a coup is not gona happen this short war will become as successfull as the one in Afghanistan :smiley:

Brits

need to get out of Iraq a.s.ap.

There’s an investigation into two Brit tanks, err, firing at each other. And not to forget the two that just died in a round of friendly fire. Need i say more? :rolleyes:

The whole coalition needs to get out of Iraq.

The US needs to get the HELL OUT of the whole MIDDLE EAST

Toby Dodge, an expert on Iraq at Warwick University, said that fear of the regime was only one factor. "I have always been struck by the tenacious sense of nationalism in Iraq," he said.
Very interesting thread, JM. i think many of those Iraqis defending positions in and around Basra, are not necessarily any great loyalists towards Saddam Hussein. Once your entire home, and village is under siege, it is going to draw people together with the sense that they would rather die defending than surrender. They may loathe Saddam Hussein, but they love their homes and freedom even more.

Yet more British soldiers klilled by “friendly fire”.

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