Alright, with this I'm not going to act like each and every member of the Pakistani diaspora places like the US or Canada or other places is an angel that doesn't cause any trouble so refrain about crying about "muh generalizing" but...
What is up with British-Pakistanis? I recently learned about the grooming gangs that were made up of individuals who are primarily of a Pakistani background which led me into a rabbit hole of finding out some really unflattering information about British-Pakistanis overall. Just growing up as a Pakistani-American I see plenty of immigrants who are still conservative but still integrate into wider society and don't cause trouble overall. While the paindu is there, it doesn't leak as much as it does with BPs. How, apparently, there are plenty of 2nd and 3rd gen BPs and there is still a lot of "backwardness" rampant. So, the f*ck is in the water over there among that community and why do BPs apparently have trouble integrating when the diaspora in the US and Canada doesn't have as much of an issue?
Those groomers only make up like .000001% of the community and when you have over a million Pakistanis on an island smaller than texas so you’ll get more Pakistanis involved in these kinds of crimes. Also most Pakistanis that migrate to Europe come from rural/working class backgrounds, it’s easier to migrate to Europe by land so they usually don’t get the college educated urban Pakistanis. I’ve heard that’s there’s a divide between Pakistanis in northern England (Bradford) and the south (London), the latter being more like Pakistanis overhere. I think a lot of the Pakistanis in England are from like Mirpur and Jhelum and migrated there during the construction of some dam as compensation and then they worked in factories where they weren’t allowed to learn english or get educated and became victims of “paki bashing” - basically pakis getting assaulted/killed and getting called paki by white supremacists.
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Those groomers only make up like .000001% of the community and when you have over a million Pakistanis on an island smaller than texas so you’ll get more Pakistanis involved in these kinds of crimes. Also most Pakistanis that migrate to Europe come from rural/working class backgrounds, it’s easier to migrate to Europe by land so they usually don’t get the college educated urban Pakistanis. I’ve heard that’s there’s a divide between Pakistanis in northern England (Bradford) and the south (London), the latter being more like Pakistanis overhere. I think a lot of the Pakistanis in England are from like Mirpur and Jhelum and migrated there during the construction of some dam as compensation and then they worked in factories where they weren’t allowed to learn english or get educated and became victims of “paki bashing” - basically pakis getting assaulted/killed and getting called paki by white supremacists.
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I know those groomers don’t represent literally everyone, but how that case was handled was extremely shameful. The fact that it happened like that from a group that represents like 2% of the population is shameful. People putting their head in the sand about issues regarding immigrants not assimilating is going to create more trouble than directly talking about it. I’m not going to jump on some right-wing bandwagon to demonize my own people as some ABCD who “hates FOBs” or something, but the lack of any type of reflection of how Pakistanis in this area are doing ain’t it.
At this point it is safe to say that a lot of the Pakistani immigrants who settled in the US aren’t exclusively of the cosmopolitan Lahore/Karachi/Islamabad doctor/engineer/lawyer stock and a lot of us are even known as taxi drivers and gas station owners but. This is type of Pakistanis I’m also around but…I still don’t see the same levels of backwardness that these BPs are supposedly having.
I would agree with TS said but again I dont know much about BPs except that Mirpur-bradford connection. Someone from there would be a good candidate to comment.
a lot of Pakistanis that drive cabs and own convenience stores here are also from the big cities, many immigrants turn to these jobs because their qualifications aren’t recognized. The Pakistani community here isn’t mostly made up of people from smaller conservative towns unlike in England. Also it’s easier to find paki majority towns and neighborhoods in england than over here so it’s easier to stick to your culture when you’re living around your kind, in America we’re more spread out.
a lot of Pakistanis that drive cabs and own convenience stores here are also from the big cities, many immigrants turn to these jobs because their qualifications aren’t recognized. The Pakistani community here isn’t mostly made up of people from smaller conservative towns unlike in England. Also it’s easier to find paki majority towns and neighborhoods in england than over here so it’s easier to stick to your culture when you’re living around your kind, in America we’re more spread out.
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I’m not going to go off just my experiences and think they apply overall, but the majority cab drivers and convinience store owners that I know did not have any kind of professional training, nor did they come from some cosmopolitan city. So there are plenty of people that do come here from pinds and assimilate properly. Though, that does make sense since a lot of these people are essentially living in Pakistani echo chambers, but there needs to be some kind of honest intervention in these types of communities.
Just because my great grandpappy lived in a pind doesn’t mean I’m supposed to like being paindu. But to answer your question, it is the paindu mentality that is not good.
Kind of similar monsters in Khanewal, the biggest most heinous child molester cases on the planet. same stories in Madrassas, repeat replay with 90 percent molestation of street children.
I have neither lived in Britain nor do my ancestors hail from areas considered to be villages in Pakistan (Both the ancestors migrated from India to Karachi & Lahore). So my opinion on the subject may not be the best. I just want to point out to that ‘pendu’ comment. Don’t all the Pakistani / Indians have a common ‘pendu’ background considering India being mainly an agricultural land. Ancestors of all the traders & people belonging to other professions were farmers?? I don’t know but when I came to Pakistan, no matter where I went, I felt like I was in a huge village known as Pakistan. Sure there are many urban, modern, industrial areas that have been developed over time but they were ‘developed’, not natural so to say there are Pakistani people who don’t have a 'pendu background would be wrong. People who forgo many traditions & accepted & exhibit modern lifestyle still have atleast 1-2 living ‘pendu’ ancestor somewhere in close or distant family. Next time you go home, look for them & don’t forget to take their pictures so next time you’ll remember every Pakistan hails from a pendu background including you & includung products of Arab spring.
For a quick reference, look at partitition pictures.
My paternal grand father & great grand fathers held positions in Brtitish companies pre-partition & maternal family had mens clothing business in India which they brought to Karachi after migration. & despite adopted americanization our family holds on to many older traditions. And I met atleast 2 very old aged aunties who had their own Bhains at home & appeared quite pendu from appearance during one of my trips as a teen to Lahore. I don’t know who they were but they were supposedly from our own family. I took pictures & when my very cosmopolitan, modern friends in school saw them, they were like, “Ew! So pendu!” & then later I saw pictures of the same friends in the beach picnic with family in complete 3 pieces pakistani traditional shalwar suits & heard them speaking with their parents in very difficult Punjabi which even my ancestors wont understand.
So, next time you go home, don’t forget to search those pendu relatives. You’ll be delighted to know of your own background.
Well @NavAhmed I can understand why you didn’t go further into what you thought contributed to the situation with BPs. People are really feeling some type of way about the “paindu” comment, as if I’m using it to insult the idea of being from a village instead of the backwardness that permeates the area. As if I don’t know that I do have ancestors who hail from a pind considering I’m Punjabi lmao. Anyways, thanks for the inspirational speech.
Now this Afghan guy is all over the news, killed his beautiful wife and her mother because she discovered he had a wife and kids in Afghanistan, the guys are real machos attacking women but was squealing like a beech in front of Police. I think the paindu mentality is not limited to people from Punjab and I have met some wonderful people there and ate gunnas