I noticed someone was discussing marriage within cousins but that talk is geared more towards religion…
Let us base this topic on medical facts…
There is no denying the truth of the title statement of this thread.
Bradford which is an area full of pakistani’s (in the UK) has the highest percentage of disabled children in the UK.
Not a coincidence i can assure you!
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Let us base this topic on medical facts....
There is no denying the truth of the title statement of this thread.
Bradford which is an area full of pakistani's (in the UK) has the highest percentage of disabled children in the UK.
Not a coincidence i can assure you!
Its a cultural thing not a religious thing. There are more disabled children in non muslim households however in ratio wise, because not every pakistani marrys thier cousin...
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Religion has nothing to do with it. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriages in the world (and in the Muslim world).
The only Muslim country that comes close to Pakistan's rate is rural areas of Turkey.
In the Arab, Persian, and East Asian Muslim communities, cousin marriages are much rarer and so rates of deformed and mutated children are lower.
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The things that need to be looked at in this case are not based on religion. Why THIS area of England? Is it something environmental (like, are they living on land that is contaminated, is their drinking water contaminated)? Are they a sub-group of people that has had a predominance of intermarriages? Do they live near a landfill, power plant, factory? Do they live near farmland where pesticides may be utilized? These are concerns that really need to be looked into without making jokes about it...IMHO
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Not to long ago I posted an article that sighted that the %age of birth defects results from cousin marriages is only 3-5% higher than non-cousin marriages.
On the flip side, while their is a greater likelihoods of bad genes to be transferred forward, it is even a greater chance that the good genes will pass on the off springs. Thus the overall health of the society as far as genes are concerned.
We discussed this in detail in this tread.
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correct mamaof3, one has to factor in all the factors. ages old industrial aste seeping into land and water supply can have an impact as well as exposure to toxins while working in certain factories. inter marriages could also be a big contributor to the issue as well.
The problem is that while Islam allows one to marry a cousin, many pakistanis seem to make a point of exclusively marrying within immediate or extended family or community/biradri, that is just asking for trouble. As someone just pointed out that aside from rural areas of turkey Pakistan is the only place where this is so prevalent. Now if similar stuff is happening in bradford, and the pool of candidates even lower, the probability that there can be issues becomes higher.
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Mr Ahmadjee, you are right when you say that typically, marrying a cousin does not pose that much of an increase in genetic malady potential. BUT...the more inter-marriage that has gone on within a family line, the more the chance becomes that something will go wrong. There is one sect of very conservative Jewish people who have been intermarrying for countless generations, they are forbidden to marry outside of their particular sect. And its hair-raising to see the results of this, the infertility, miscarriage rate and rate of genetic malady. They are "TOO" inter-married.
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mamaof3 i think u mean ashknazi jews, and yes they have genetic issues due to that.
The 5 percent ahmedjee talks about is one randon cousin marrying another random cousin and I think the study is not factoring in the cumulative effect of this happening over several generations. This is the case with some groups of Pakistanis overseas, as they want to marry within their own clan (forget the largr expat pak population or other brits of pakistani descent) they are doing it ovr and over again.
It would aso be interesting to see this community compared to other communities of pakistani descent within bradford or other citis, and to also compare this community's old clan back in Pakistan compared to pakistani population at large.
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Mamaof3, I agree, too much of anything is not good :-)
Anyway, I was just pointing out that there are certain misconceptions regarding cousin marriages where Pakistani community believes there is absolutely nothing wrong with it while there are a majority of people out there who believe that cousin marriages will absolutely result in child defects, which isn't true either.
I even know one (racist) lady who thinks that black people are dumb because their ancestors intermarried and some of them still do.
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I didn't turn out too bad! * cough cough *
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It may only be 3-5% but if you look at it in context the risk is greater than it seems.
“A 7 to 8% chance (of genetic disorder) is 50% greater than a 5% chance,” says Philip Reilly, geneticist and author of Abraham Lincoln’s DNA, a popular history of human genetics. - Taken from the article you linked.
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but this is a fallacy!
as an anology, smoking and contraceptive use increase the relative risk of thrombosis by 100% in young-adult females, but if the risk to get a thrombosis is already 0.00001%, then a 100% increase doesn’t mean a thing. Also, in this case -even though it’s 50% larger- I’d go for the absolute difference of 2%, which gives a clearer picture of reality
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Why look at just birth defects in one small sect of a population of muslims/pakis. Just look up statistics of birth defects in the US in mainstream american homes, where there is no INTER COUSIN marraige...what explains those defects?
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Afro-Sheen, you have to be more pragmatic here, people are wanting to know what their future holds for them and their offspring. They arent comparing which country/countries have more handicapped children but rather what their own future children may face. Is it the wait to have children so that parents are older? Is it environmental factors? Plain and simple genetics of inter-marriage? There are many, many explanations for the vast number of different types of genetic defects, types of infertility, miscarriage, etc etc and depending upon which "group" you fall into (if any), you may be at greater or lesser risk.
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had you been paying attention you would have seen that both mamof3 and I noted the environmental toxins can play a huge part in it. in the bay area nursing mothers have traces of pBD and PBDE which are electronic fire retardants, n their reast milk. The cumulative impact of industrial waste is creating havoc in some provinces in China.
So, there are other factors that have an impact on genetic defects, we talked about industrial watse and envirnmental toxins, add to it drugs, and alcohol and you have other birth defects as well.
None of this takes away from the fact that cousin marriages dont have to be the norm in our culture. Makes no sense whatsoever, so t is allowed, does not mean that is the only thing that goes on.