British Paki and Proud - BBC2 tonight

Should be interesting…

Pakistani, Actually starts on BBC2, Saturday 5 March 9.15pm

BBC2 to run a series on Pakistanis, Actually

“If you say to somebody ‘I’m from India’ they’ll go ‘Oh great, I was there last year. I went to Goa’ or ‘I went to Jaipur’, there’s more of a kind of rapport. Whereas Pakistanis, it will kill the conversation dead. ‘Oh really, we don’t know anything about that, we don’t know much about you.’”

That’s according to actor and comedian Jeff Mirza in British Paki and Proud, the first programme to be shown as part Pakistani, Actually, a special night of programmes on BBC Two, looking at the lives of British Pakistanis.

Tommy Nagra, Executive Producer of Pakistani, Actually says: “These documentaries provide just a snapshot of contemporary life amongst British Pakistanis - a community who are often misunderstood, neglected or stereotyped. They are ‘slices of life’, and offer a revealing insight into just some of the real life experiences of Pakistanis living in Britain.”

The episode British Paki and Proud explores the British Pakistani experience through themes of belonging, identity and the debate around the word ‘Paki’. “The word Paki should not have been a derogatory term in the first place, I think the right wing hijacked this word. Paki means ‘pure’, I mean isn’t it a laugh that these skinheads or whoever have been calling us pure all this time,” says Abdul Rahim. He thinks the word should be reclaimed and used in a positive way, so he is making clothes with ‘Pak1’ showing that he is proud to be a Pakistani. But there are those who vehemently disagree.

Musician Aki Nawaz comments: “The guys who are trying to reclaim it, tell them to go and ask their parents what they had to endure with that word.” British, Paki and Proud also looks at how people identify themselves.

Hanif Kuresishi, writer of My Beautiful Laundrette says for a long time people have worries about identity, but its something put together from a number of sources: “I’m a father, I’m a son, sometimes on a Saturday I’m a QPR supporter. And I think most Pakistanis now are quite aware they can put together the Pakistani part of themselves, the Muslim part of themselves, the part of themselves that identifies with Britain, with their town, their street, with their city, with their school and so on.”

Luton, actually, written and presented by Sarfraz Manzoor, tells the tale of his own experience as a Pakistani Brit. He arrived in Luton in Spring 1974 with his mother, brother and sister. At the time, Luton was celebrated for two things - an airport that was the butt of national jokes and the Vauxhall factory, which provided unskilled work for his father and many of the town’s immigrants.

For his father, coming to Britain offered opportunities that were not available in Pakistan - namely, money and education. This entertaining, insightful and often amusing film meets his family and friends and finds out what it’s like to grow up as a Pakistani Brit in what has recently been labelled Britain’s ‘crappiest town’.

In Who Wants to be a Mullah? Navid Akhtar (pictured), a British born Pakistani Muslim, goes on a personal quest in search of a greater understanding of Islam and the way it’s practiced in Britain today. He challenges the demonised image of the ‘mad mullah’ and asks whether the current breed of Imams or religious leaders are up to the challenge of connecting with young British Muslims.

Atta Boy is a portrait of Atta Yaqub, plucked from obscurity on the streets of Pollockshields in Glasgow to star in Ken Loach’s latest movie, Ae Fond Kiss. The programme looks at the dilemmas faced by Atta as he tries to please everyone - his mum, his community, his religious leaders and his own ambitions to act.

“These programmes are both thought provoking and entertaining. They reflect just a selection of real life stories and voices from a diverse and vibrant community” adds Tommy Nagra. “It’s a night of programming that will appeal to a broad audience and give viewers a flavour of what it means to be a British Pakistani today .”

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I never knew there was such controversy over hte word "paki"...i use that word all the time...isn't a big deal ...i dont think thsi sort of outrage exists here inthe US...but the reaction here is very similar to how blacks have taken the word "nigger" and turned it into a term of endearment almost..

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Did anyone watch this??????

i have so much to say! my goodness me...

this was a classic program, i wish i taped it.

Will add my 2pence when i get more time. :)

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it weren’t all that, I reckon I could have done better. I liked that writer bloke, the one with the big hair from Luton - he was keeping it real.

And I never knew Hanif Qureshi was so fit! :love:

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Tauba kurriyey he's a budda g****.

I've seen the movie he wrote "My Beautiful Laundrette", it was funny.

What's that movie called with Atta Yaqub in it? Where he didn't wanna kiss?

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i liked the bit whn this guy was holding a t-shirt with 'PAK1' written on it and said something like ..."we'll b xcepted here whn this word joins/(referred to) the likes of 'Aussie', 'Kiwis' etc...."

interesting bit was the at the end whn this lady (driving a rather nice Porchse may i add)
was learning to become an Imam. now i know ladies through my mum that already are like 'Imam', for the ladies though ... the reporter was acting out like it was somethin new.
question is, can she become the head Imam for the whole Mosque?

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I knew you would like it missy_m!

I thought it was interesting. The Luton bit was good and Aki Nawaz was good cos he was one of few against reclaiming the word PAKI.

I only saw half of it - taped the rest so I may add to this later!

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Bunch-o-crap.

It seems only wishy washy lame lads and lasses get to make documentaries, it's a sorry state of affairs that these people get to air their view of life.

Cherry picked extremes living out of touch lives representing 0.1% of the people I know get their message across to millions, whilst the millions just get on with it.

The fella with the big hair missed the irony of his life and his dads; he's still that brown kid living in a white council estate, only now he's got a guitar.

The speccy one on about mullahs was met with a scene he wasn't able to assimilate to, things have moved on since he last visited a mosque 30 years ago, he stepped out of it and expected to have an angle on things.

The actor/social worker fella I felt a little sorry for though, it's hard having to learn what in life works for you in a documentary, they should have just left him to get on with it.

The British media at the moment revel in trying to portray a picture of a culture at odds with itself, and in its hurry forget that there is a new culture developed whether they like it or not, it’s not homogenous and it is what it is, it's certainly never conscious.

All this “my dad turned up in the 60’s and wanted a better life for his kids” line is pretty old news by now there wasn’t much about what the future held for the individuals who made the documentaries, nothing about their aspirations and evident shortcomings in coping with life in Britain.

There is no solution, there shouldn’t be one, it’s just the way it is.

The best bit was the old long bearded baba who shot a knowing smile and had a glint in his eye when he talked about ‘going out’ in the 60’s in Britain “I was yunk maan then you see”. That’s the reality, that’s ‘keeping it real!’

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well said thap :k:

ae fond kiss ranj’ and yaar he did more then just kiss in dat movie if i’m not mistaken! i wanted to begin my evaluation with that a$$ atta ‘boy’ yaqub. btw 4 part series guys this wasn’t only 1st part/episode.

rite, pollockshields is a flipped area, those who have been their, lived their for a bit will know wat i mean. our family friends are from pollockshields, i went over last year and a year before that for wedding and our fellow brit based pak’s are pretty rough. @ nite, they go around joy riding, with the decks blazing like its’ eid and it’s like wilmslow road revisited. + they hang around in corners of certain streets late at nite don’t know why, break car windscreens etc…

anyhow, i was very disgusted by atta, first of all, we were watching this program with family and all of a sudden they showed clips of his movie which i ddin’t think they would, which was the embarrasing part if=nfront of my elders :smack:]

anyways he seemed like a pretty confused person. @ first he goes and make a film which is sick then only tell’s his mam stuff he feels she only needs to know. then he talks about halving a good spiritual connection with allah and then all of a sudden, signs a project which has him playing a gay boy??? i mean is he feeling okay. then during ramzan-ul-mubarak it takes him a few mins’ to decide whether attending a premiere in usa would be more important then ramzan… this guy sickened me today.. then there was this mini episode with his mother, who’s views were ajeeb. she goes to watch his film, says her daughter covered her eyes during a intimate scene and then goes he respects me may allah help him etc… izaat kis kaam ki agar kartoot darust na houn!

overall, i liked the program but was peeved with the image this program will portray into the minds of non asians who would have watched this program. wat will they feel, that a typical pakistani is like living amongst them in this multi-cultural society. totally one sided viewpoint not all pakistanis’ r like the one’s they showed in this program.

the writer guy from luton gave a good thorough tour of luton i even saw 2 familar faces, the 2 ppl in the mosque scene holding pamphlets/posters those guys i know them :smiley:

and this term paki and all the hype, me personally, i’m not 2 fussed about it, i’m a pakistani and damn proud of my roots…let’s c what they come up with next week.

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The 3 beared old buday on the sofa were funny.

Reporter : "What is it like to live in Britain?"

Buda no1: "Englaand is wery nice, people wery nice, I never had problem. If you look for trouble you will get it, if you dont look for it you wont get it"

Buda no2: "Englaand just like back home - no difference" (What was he on???)

Buda no3: Didnt say much.

Im sure they were reading off some autocue or something!

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gud answer isn't it though by bazurg number 1... 'don't ask for trouble and u won't get any' :D sadly that's not the case everywhere else. maybe worked for him.

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There was a lot to take in with this program. I wonder how we would have felt had the program been spread over 4 weekly installments. Just the fact that we had a continuous 2 hours of it with no break may have put a different spin on how we received it. It was more like a 'Saturday Stack' on Discovery Channel' hence no time to rationalise.

The most succint line was by the guitar guy from Luton. It was all the more poignant for me because of its parallels with my own upbringing and life, and the fact that I have recently watched some old 8mm cine films of my family when we were growing up in the '70's and the same question kept going through my mind even before the BBC2 program.

...'In the end, has the price been worth paying'.

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^ I think that's the reason the Luton documentary appealed to me the most. When I hear stories from my father and uncles about how they spent years working 60 odd hour weeks, and living 5 men to one room, just so they could save enough money to bring their families over, and then I witness their offspring paying drunks 50p so that they can kick them up their backside (apparently the 'in' thing to do amongst Brummy Pakis these days), I can't help but wonder, was it worth it?

I would so love to be given the opportunity to make a documentary like this - why is it that only writers and journos can talk about their experiences? Do 'real' people not matter? I minored in Media Studies and everything!

LUC, they showed all four episodes last night! :p

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It was interesting, unfortunately I missed the bit with Ata Yaqub :-/
Can anyone tell me who that woman was in the 1st part of the series. There was Aki Nazwaz, Hanif Kureishi, Jeff Mirza and a woman. Is she anyone famous?

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My highlights

the orange haired lass..."to be honest i dont even know what the word mullah means"

one of the hijabaans when asked what her prize possesion was "my make-up bag"

when the paki singer in Luton broke out into song and the big haired dude replied "i understood the word England" Then those older men talking abt the swinging 60's and how they were partying out every night after coming back from the factory..classic, you cant pay people to say this kinda stuff, u just cant

Atta battling it out with his subconscious of whether or not his religion was worth sacrificing for a gay kiss and his mother covering her eyes during the "rude bits" of his super movie and then spending ramzan in L.A...my goodness me, the trauma of it all reduced me to tears...especially hearing how some of his lil fottie team wern't allowed to watch his move as "me mam doesnt let us watch naked people of TV"

I dont care what anyone says, i love these programmes, its makes for good tv and gets pakis, however ugly Ranjhan, on T.V.

Seriously, was nowt special, but nice to see "real pakis" with "real stories"

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Then those older men talking abt the swinging 60's and how they were partying out every night after coming back from the factory..classic, you cant pay people to say this kinda stuff, u just cant
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Hmmm, my Punjabi friend once told me that, he said all these Mullah Molvi who act all holy now and are heads of Mosque committees today were players in their days. That's what pisses me off, they've had their fun and now they're sat in the Mosque with flowing beards and white robes putting down our generation.

I still think these documentaries are not representative of all Pakistanis. Except for Islam, Pakistan, clothing, and a few linguistic similarities I have nothing in common with those types but I suppose those types are more free than us, they've no inhibitions about their wives and sisters being broadcasted over national TV, na soorat na seerat, whilst if they went to a Chhachhi persons house to record a documentary they would have got… shame really coz we’re so much better looking.

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i na what u mean Ranju, i mean some of those dudes never heard of all body sugaring?!!..never mind back, stack and crack....shamefull indeed

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Exactly, did you see that Urdu-Speaking Moahjir Atta dude in the dirty scenes? He was covered in fur, yuck and my axe-nosed brothers were no better.

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are u done feeling sorry for the ugly pakis already? :stuck_out_tongue:

damn u and ur edits…not man enough to say what u want eh?

and damn me for not quoting u! :snooty:

i can edit too :stuck_out_tongue:

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It’s coz I was being unfair, love them really. :blush: Real life ones are actually quite hawwt, no where near as geeky as those on TV.

Hail the superior Axe-Noses.

Are you an axe nose or just normal Punjabi?