British Muslims call for ban on extremist rally at mosque in Ramadan

Totally agree.

As a third generation British Muslim, I know that we as a generation are working hard to establish ourselves, educate, integrate and work alongside the masses in a peaceful existence.

Why should the actions of some be a standard by which all are judged?

Agree. It's really worrying as well that they're trying to increase their numbers by recruiting football hooligans and are planning more 'demos.'

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Its got nothing to do with education. The difference is that the British Pakistani community is well established in the UK, for example in my family we have 4 th generation living here now. The British Pakistani youth are not prepared to put up with being treated as second class citizens by a few White British people. They were born and bred here.

The fascists are deliberately going through areas with high muslim/Pakistani population in order to incite violence. This is not something new. As a result violence is inevitable. It happens in Northern Ireland between the catholics and protestants, it happened in the 1930's with Jews in East London, it happened with Blacks e.g Notting Hill in 1958 and Asians e.g Southall in 1979. Now it is happening with Muslims.

Mercenary talks of rubbish most of the time anyway, so his comments don't surprise me.

Its good that if you are saying that things are improving but current trends show otherwise:

  • 60% of British Pakistani Pupils live in the 20% most deprived areas of the UK.

  • 15% of the families of Pakistani pupils are ‘Hard Pressed’, 50.5% fall into the ‘Moderate Means’ category, 17% are ‘Comfortably Off’, 12.1% ‘Urban Prosperity’ and 4.9% are ‘Wealthy Achievers’.

  • 98.8% of Pakistani Pupils are Muslim, 0.6% are Sikh, 0.3% are Christian and 0.3% have no religion.

  • Apart from Bangladeshi parents , Pakistani parents are most likely to not have a qualification of any sort.

  • 15.3% of Pakistan youngsters live in a lone parent household, which is the highest for any Asian group.

  • As of 2005 48% of Pakistani pupils passed 5 or more GCSE’s (similar to O Levels) compared to the national average of 55%. 33% of Pakistani pupils achieved 5 or more GCSE’s including English and Maths compared to the national average of 43%. This is only higher than the pass rate of Black Carribean pupils.
  • 40.4% of Mipuri Pakistani passed 5 or more GCSE’s at grade A* to C.

  • 44.1% of Kashmiri Pakistani passed 5 or more GCSE’s at grade A* to C.

  • 49.4% of Other Pakistani passed 5 or more GCSE’s at grade A* to C.
    Compared to the Pakistani average of 48.4% and the national average of 54.9% as of 2005.

  • 54.1% of Pakistani girls achieved 5 or more GCSE’s at Grade A* to C, compared to only 43.2% of Pakistani Boys

http://publications.teachernet.gov.u…-0208-2006.pdf

It doesn’t matter how many politicians you have…when your youth is under performing…going into extremism…hating the host country…then that is a dangerous mechanism for failure…

When was the last time that Pakistani terrorists blew up trains in Canada or USA like they have done in England or have traveled to Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq for doing jihad or try to blow up planes with liquid explosives.

Just watch this video of British Pakistanis

I rest my case

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It is 2009 now. A lot can change in that time.

Again ignorance is bliss, the guys who I am talking about as ministers and members of Parliament and mayors are not old guys but young generation. So you talking about youth underperforming is just not true. I hadnt realised that UK have ministers who are underperforming youths, going into extremism, hating the host country. You must know more than those who appointed them to such high posts. Your trouble is that you lump everyone with the small extremists group which are in UK while totally ignoring that the rest are performing probably better than their counterparts in canada and US. yes there are problems but no where near what you are portraying. UK youth are representing the country in field of sports, cricket and boxing are two which come to mind.

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Not only do we have members in Parliament but also we have some very successful business people from Pakistani origin in the UK. The largest pakistani owned business has turnover of $3.15 billion a year. I think we are far ahead of our North American cousins in many respects.

Mercenary you come up with such nonsense at times, I firmly believe that you get paid to post here.

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Agree here.

The amount of racism/bullying/hatred/discrimination in Britain schools and in general is very high. Not seen in North America.

The reason could be many but main reason which comes to mind is North America is built on different theme, mainly on immigration. No one claims the country is his or her. All (except few) are proud to be from somewhere else. Even those who had their ancestors came and landed on North America centuries ago.

Most of Europeans believe they own the land and immigration is not good.

We all have seen in world wars and Bosnian wars their attitude.

Also, there are about 8 million muslims in North America. ( About 7 in USA and one million in Canada)

But in a smaller land of Britain muslims are about 2 million. Most of them live in few towns…concentrated. Perhaps they are forced to live in certain areas due to being unaccepted. I am not sure. May be you know that better. Hence they get MP’s politicians elected with majority votes from certain areas.

The case in North America is different. Majority Muslims in North America is spread around various parts and has not much of concentration. Not enough to elect many politicians. But there is a house representative who is muslim and perhaps Detroit had deputy Mayor as muslim.

Muslims are well accepted and integrated in any areas in North America.
Moreover, muslim population like anyone else in North America is mobile and changes jobs and residence far more commonly than perhaps people in Britain.

If interested please see these sites or document

AMERICAN MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS - MUSLIM AMERICAN POPULATIONS OUTREACH PROGRAMS

Bhai...those MP are elected from areas where there is large muslim populations. Its not that these MP and mayors are being elected from cosmopolitan areas but areas where there is majority muslim populations where as here in canada in usa, our local paki politicans are elected from much more multi-ethnic areas.

Overall, I guess I was a bit harsh in condemning all british pakistanis as bad apples but whenever I hear of another terrorist related plot in England, british pakistanis are always involved.

Like before the 7/7 terrorists took out the trains in london, pakistanis were not singled out as terrorists and now they are....

and then came the plot by british pakistnais to blow up planes using liquid explosives

And when I see these bearded protestors yelling and burning effegies, in England, and all these terrorist related incidents linked to this group, I can understand why British people are apprehensive with British Pakistnais.

Hopefully things will change nbut right now British pakis have a very bad label attached to them

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^ Not correct assessment.

One cannot lash out whole nation based on action of few.

Like I mentioned earlier, there is an intrinsic disliking among Europeans against anyone who is different. This attitude was there even before year 2001.

Interestingly, you used the word Pakis.... with discussion being British Muslims!

I don't think there are any areas where a majority of the population is muslim. I think Leicester is the first city where ethnic population is expected to be more than the white british population at some stage in the future, however even there not all ethnic minorities will be muslims, majority of the ethnic population is Indian hindu. There are some areas that do have sizeable Pakistani population but I would not say majority. Pakistani is the only community that is spread out across the country, whereas most of the other ethnic communities are concentrated in London and the South East. If we were concentrated then we should get even more seats.

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Another attempt at provokation by the fascists.

Anti-Islamists target Palestinian rally in central London

Fury as Muslim meeting is switched to Pall Mall while right-wingers protest in Trafalgar Square
By Sadie Gray

The right-wing group behind a series of anti-Islamist protests which have ended in running street battles is planning to demonstrate today in London's Trafalgar Square.

A pro-Palestinian rally scheduled several months ago has been switched to neighbouring Pall Mall, much to the anger of the organisers. They blamed the decision on the English Defence League (EDL) and other right-wing groups.

Raza Kazim, spokesman for the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: "At the last minute after months of negotiation, the Greater London Authority told us we are not allowed to go ahead with the rally in Trafalgar Square. Instead of standing up to threats they have capitulated. A place that was to be used to raise voices against fascism is now being given over to the very bigots we are supposed to be standing against." Scotland Yard said it was powerless to prevent the protest provided it remained a "static demonstration".

The details emerged as Communities Secretary John Denham warned of a surge in fascist extremism designed to provoke violence on Britain's streets. He said the tactics employed were the same as those used by Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists blackshirt campaigns in the 1930s.
"I think that the EDL and other organisations are not large numbers of people. They clearly, though, have among them people who know what they're doing," he said. "The tactic of trying to provoke a response in the hope of causing wider violence and mayhem is long established on the far-right and among extremist groups.#

"You could go back to the 1930s if you wanted to – Cable Street and all of those types of things," he said, referring to the day in 1936 when violence broke out as Mosley tried to lead a column into the heavily Jewish district of Whitechapel in London's East End. Mr Denham later insisted the situation was not as bad as the 1930s but warned the threat be taken seriously before it escalated.
The central London demonstration follows clashes between protesters, anti-fascist groups and police in Luton, Birmingham and north London.

The EDL, originally formed by football supporters in Luton, claims to be a non-violent group campaigning against Muslim fundamentalism but is alleged to have links to former hooligan networks and known British National Party agitators. It was formed in March in reaction to barracking by Muslim protesters at soldiers from the Royal Anglian Regiment parading through Luton on their return from Iraq. On Friday, 500 riot officers broke up a crowd of 2,000 Muslim youths who gathered to defend Harrow central mosque from a planned protest by the EDL-affiliated group Stop the Islamisation of Europe. Police made 10 arrests as the two groups attempted to confront each other.

Birmingham city centre has twice seen running battles between the EDL and the campaign group Unite Against Fascism, and unofficial marches have been temporarily banned from Luton town centre following violence.

The EDL's spokesman, a 28-year-old carpenter from Luton who uses the name Tommy Robinson, said the group was quickly gathering nationwide support through social networking sites. He stressed they are a non-violent organisation aiming to protest against Islamic fundamentalism in the UK. BNP leader Nick Griffin has distanced his party from the group. Despite this, anti-fascist campaigners say some of EDL's key organisers have been BNP members.

Gerry Gable of the anti-fascist magazine Searchlight said: "We're faced with an upsurge in fascist groups, and it's a real problem. This could do more damage to community relations than anything since the Oldham and Bradford riots of 2001 and 2002."