British Muslims ‘most radicalised’

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This is all thanks to illiterate followers of illiterate imams

What else you can expect. This is what has been observed for many decades now. Illiteracy (ignorance) and Jahiliyyah (arrogance) combined together would definitely create the situation where British Muslims are at present.

I don’t care what other Muslims do, my issue is with UK Muslims of Pakistani origins. These are the guys who could speak better English, shared more British culture and history, had access to British institutions for the longest time, and still ended up with the twin diseases of ignorance and arrogance.

Some people on this board may not like this analysis, and try to give excuses. However this is no time for excuses when almost the whole future generation of UK Pakistanis is in danger of being tagged as “terrorist”.

This is the time for introspection, change of attitudes, and development of forward looking view.

Otherwise as Iqbal warned. “Tumhari dastaan tak na ho-gi dastaano-n mai-n” (You will lose your respectful place in history, and people will remember you as lowly terrorists, thieves, etc.)

24 June 2006
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=world-qqqm=world-qqqa=world-qqqid=6772-qqqx=1.asp

British Muslims ‘most radicalised’

                                     By Rachel Williams, New York 
                                     BRITISH Muslims are more radicalised than those in several other major western European nations, according to the authors of a new global poll.

The Pew Global Attitudes Report found Muslims in Britain were more likely than their counterparts in France, Germany and Spain to feel there was a conflict between being devout and living in modern society.

They were also the most likely of the groups in the three countries to say Arabs did not carry out the September 11 attacks.

He added that the researchers had not examined why that might be but wanted to dig deeper to find out.
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Their opinion of Westerners was lower and more of them described relations between Westerners and Muslims as bad.

Almost a quarter, 24%, thought suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets to defend Islam were justifiable — though among these some stated that this was rarely the case.

However they were also the most concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism, with 77% saying it worried them.

However, the opinion of people overall in Britain of Muslims was relatively positive compared with other European countries.

Some 63% saw Muslims in a favourable light, compared with 65% in France, 36% in Germany and 29% in Spain.

Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Centre, said: “British Muslims were the most radicalised.” French Muslims were the most temperate, he added.

British Muslims were also the least likely to believe that Westerners were respectful of women.

One of the report’s authors, Richard Wike, said: “There are some areas where the British Muslims do stand apart a little from the other Europeans we surveyed.”

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your more stupid than I thought. Base your whole oppinion one one stupid source. If it was a MORI seurvey might add some credabilaty but not the tosh you post.

Think it applies more tou you: 'ignorance and arrogance'

BTW every terrorist event linked to Al-Qaida has some link to Pakistan so I would look home before poiting finger abroad.

French Muslims most temperate? dont make me laugh

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I am glad you noticed.

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Here is another source. Happy now?

Pew research survey was quoted in another thread and your ilk were happy with that. Now that truth hits the nail in the terror trends, and people scream and start personal attacks. Wah Wah! Risc. This time you have outdone yourself.

Check out Maddy’s thread-starter right here.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=220099

‘More Muslims radicalised’ in UK
** A higher proportion of British Muslims are radicalised than those in several other major western European nations, according to a US research body. ** Muslims in the UK are more likely to see a conflict between being devout and living in modern society than in France, Germany and Spain, it found.
Thousands of people in 15 countries were questioned for a poll for the American Pew Research Center.
In Britain 902 residents took part in the survey in April and May.
Of British Muslims taking part in the poll, 77% said the rise of Islamic extremism worried them.
However, almost a quarter thought suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets to defend Islam were justifiable - though among these some stated that this was rarely the case.
Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center, said: “British Muslims were the most radicalised.”
The French Muslims were the most temperate, he said.
** 9/11 doubts **
The Pew Global Attitudes Report found 47% of the British Muslims questioned said there was a conflict between being devout and living in modern society.
That compared with 36% of Muslims in Germany, 28% in France and 25% in Spain.
More than half of the British Muslims, 56%, believed Arabs were not responsible for the 9/11 terror strikes.
Some 69% ascribed three or more negative qualities to Westerners.
Only 47% of the German Muslims, the next highest figure among the European countries, were that critical.
In every negative characteristic they were asked about, British Muslims were the most likely to associated it with Westerners.
Some 67% saw them as selfish, while 64% attributed them with arrogance and 63% highlighted greed.
Another 57% thought Westerners were immoral, 52% said they were violent and 44% labelled them fanatical.
British Muslims were also the least likely to believe that Westerners were respectful of women.
** ‘Mutual worsening perception’ **
Inayat Bunglawala, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said events of the past 12 months had seen relations between Islam and the West deteriorate.
“Over the past year there has been a mutual worsening perception between Western countries and the Muslim world,” he told the BBC News website.
"This is because of a number of events, including the July 7 bombings, the continuing instability in Iraq, the worldwide rioting over the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed and the continuing threat against Iran.
“The UK helped the US in Iraq, and it’s perhaps soured relations more than it would have done otherwise.”
But Mr Bunglawala said the large number of Muslims concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism was a positive sign.
"The support for Bin Laden and Al Qaeda is dwindling. Bin Laden has been making regular calls for support but the poll would suggest Muslims are tiring of this tactic and are recognising the harm it does to the image of Islam.

                                                                                     **                              Over the past year there has been a mutual worsening perception between Western countries and the Muslim world                              **                              
                                                                                     Inayat Bunglawala, Muslim Council of Britain                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                "The statistic of 56% of Muslims believing an alternative explanation for 9/11 might seem shocking.

"But as we see a number of cases coming to court of British Muslims allegedly engaging in acts of terrorism and more convictions, there will be an increased realisation amongst British Muslims that there is a problem with a tiny minority of that group.
“And people are always willing to believe conspiracy theories. In France, a book which said the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not an airliner was a best-seller and forty years after Kennedy was shot, conspiracy theories are still being put forward.”
** Suicide bombing **
A total of 24% of the British Muslims questioned thought there were times when suicide bombing was acceptable.
That figure broke down into 3% who said it was often justifiable, 12% who said only sometimes, and 9% who thought it was only rarely acceptable.
In France 35% of Muslims thought suicide bombings were justifiable - often, sometimes or rarely. The figure was 21% in Spain just 13% in Germany.
One of the report’s authors, Richard Wike, said: “There are some areas where the British Muslims do stand apart a little from the other Europeans we surveyed.”
He added that the researchers had not examined why that might be but wanted to dig deeper to find out.

        Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/5111248.stm

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True, in order to stay away from radicalized inhumane and violent behavior Bristish Muslims should stay away from all branches of British military...

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I seriously doubt, bunch of nutcase bearded fellows are allowed even close to an army base.

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Britain tolerated arsewipes like Ht and mhajiroun, idiots like the joker at finsbury. They ahve been poisoning the minds of kids for years. Add to it tht a large contingent of british pakistanis are jahil villagers who came to work in mills and stuff, and while their children had access to everything, the jahalat that the parents brouht to these shores never went away. There is a huge difference between the children and grandchildren of educated families versus those who were jahil, the types that would not fit in karachi let alone London. Ppl who have been in Uk for decades yet never learnt the lingo.

although the results seem a little skewed, some of the most progressive movements have also originated from muslims in UK, while those in France, germany etc have been mostly invisible in progressive movements.

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Right on Frauds! However you sit in the drawing-rooms of "educated UK-Pak families", and they too indulge in lose talk about 9/11, 7/7, Israel, etc. etc.

Sadly these educated families were supposed to stay away from religion-inspired politicking. But they didn't and the survey proves it.

Sanam Bewafa
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Go and get yourself an education. If a certain person suggests some nonsene and 3 reporters write up the same crap. How is that a different source?

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I would be intresting to se what freshies back home think? 99.9% israel behing 9/11 and OBL is a super hero who is innocent. He just trades in mangoes.

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conspiracy theory takes place everywhere, as long as its just theories good for living room chat because the people indulging in it have no lives in general and have nothing better to talk about, its mostly harmless. Its when such viewpoints become part of larger issue, like the psychosis that HT members show in general, then we have a huge issue.

You would hear the religion inspired politicking in the living rooms in US too, especially among the southern methodist and evangelical types.

yet again, I will point to the contributions that British muslims have made in a positive manner, and they are more than rest of the countries you mentioned..combined, only country where the muslim population has contributed more towards progressive thought is maybe US..maybe.

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Frauds I understand what you are saying. Prior to 9/11 such lose talk was okey dokey among NRPs too. However that fateful day has changed the whole scenario.

Your comparison with evangelicals is good on paper. They are tolerated as no one has actually gone ahead and acted on the lose talk. Also they enjoy connections in high places. NRPs will have those connections, but it may take another 50 years.

NRP kids in this situation are particularly vulnerable. If they go to mosque they lose out to the Middle Eastern terrorism. If they don't go to mosques, then they lose out the connection to their faith. The situation is even more serious as the NRP youth will be hounded by law-enforcement agencies for a while now. Minor suspicion will make these poor kids take a trip to the lockup.

In Pakistan, police officials are more lax and the Feds are highly pro-West. So the Pakistani youth can potentially remain under the radar and not get harmed. They can finally grow up and start looking for a hetch-1 (H-1) visa.

NRP kids however do not have that kind of protection from the Western law-enforcement folks. That BDeshi guy who got shot, young people got caught in Canada, Atlanta, Miami and you name it.

That is why NRP should avoid the lose talk even in their drawing rooms. This will bring nothing but destruction to their future generation.

I don't think we greatly differ on this issue. You are look at past and present, and I am looking at future. That's all.

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Radicalised my ass.

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@anti you chat ****. I bet you have not even been to UK, USA, France but still act like some oracle.

Te threat is from those Mullahs in Pakistan and their supporters. Exporting terrorism.

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He just hates muslims in general...risc dont be judging people u dont know based on tv and internet.

Geo: Should I subscribe?
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Why are any relevant criticisms of mods and/or the admin consistently deleted?

Are not all the abovementioned both British and Muslim (and in my view favor radicalized viewpoints)? How is that not relevant?

Again, we have a forum in which a pro-US poster is called stupid (and it's not deleted) the British military is characterized as radicalized and inhumane (and it's not deleted).

Why is it that these individuals and groups can be called out, but our esteemed Gupshup leaders are now apparently above reproach? Do you think you're George Bush or something?

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as a discusion board for politics I've not see so many stupid posts and theoris.

Gupshup is just good for a gupshup about random stuff

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AntiOBL I always see you whining about bearded Mullahs and Arabs. Is there some muslim figure you actually do like and have some good advice for muslims. Or are you mukhalfat baraaiy mukhalfat (opposition for the sake of opposition).

Is there any good you see in youself as a muslim.

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relevant they are not. we have feedback forum or a PM system for any complaints..use the damn thing..fgs.

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Dude, I agree we do not differ greatly on this issue, however i am against ppl not talking about issues attheir homes, but they have to present a balanced and a sensible viewpoint to their kids rather than the conspiracy theories that we have. I know its easier said than done, but the people who have enough common sensr to quit dabbling in this messy talk, probably have enough sense to ensure that their kids get a sensible viewpoint.

The ways to do this are simple and no one can do it but ourselves. We have to be vigilant and weed out the militant imams that are one of KSAs most annoying exports. Secondly, among our own social circles, lets not expose kids to the conspiracy theory buffs, instead give them a good grounding, as unbiased as possible, pushing them one way or the other would be counter productive.

This way kids who are from families that are thinking along those lines, would get a solid grounding, and as they go on in life and hear things from all kinds of sources and ppl, they could maintain a balanced and realistic perspective. Add to that the fact that if the Mosques become centers of congregation for diff activities, and centers for religious knowledge from enlightened scholars rather than rabid saudi exports, the children who will be going to those mosques would get a good understanding of their faith from other sources than just their family.

who gets left out? if all the mosques are weeded out of the radicals, all kids and young ppl would have the benefit of a balanced religious guide, however kids who are from homes where the loose talk goes on unchecked would get the right message at mosque but not at home.

right now the ones most at danger are those who have a home atmosphere and social circle which is not right, and then who may be going to mosques run by radicals.

I used to go to a masjid close to my home here, which had large Indian hyderabadi congregation, the imam was also hyderabadi, but he was just as bad as some of the radical exports from KSA. I noted my displeasure to the mgmt and stopped going to that mosque. In other places the mgmt forced out imams who just were not right. That is also needed otherwise kids may get the right msg at home but wrong at the mosque.