British Minister warns of in-breeding risk for Muslims

Something needs to be done

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main…inbreds210.xml

Arranged marriages between British Asians raise the risk of in-breeding and birth defects, a Government minister has said.

Phil Woolas, a junior environment minister, came under fire from Muslim groups already concerned about the public reaction to the Archbishop of Canterbury’s remarks about Sharia law.

Mr Woolas, the Labour MP for Oldham East and Saddleworth, said that marriages between first cousins are a factor in birth defects and inherited conditions.

He said: "Part of the risk, I am told by the health service, is first-cousin marriages.

"If you are supportive of the Asian community then you have a duty to raise this issue.

“Awareness does need to be raised but we are very aware of the sensitivities,” he added, pointing out that many of the people involved were the products of such marriages.

The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a campaign group, suggested the minister was demonising British Muslims.

An MPAC spokesman accused Mr Woolas of “flirting with Islamaphobia” and said: “Gordon Brown should either back him or sack him. We should be told what the Government thinks about this.”

Downing Street and the Department for the Environment refused to comment on Mr Woolas’ remarks, but the minister received public support from Geoff Hoon, the Labour chief whip.

Mr Hoon said that it was right to discuss the issue of congenital defects and intermarriage. “He was commenting on a particular problem about cousins marrying first cousins,” he said.

"It is important that we look at that in terms of scientific expertise and the extent to which it is actually causing problems.

"But it obviously is a very sensitive matter and no one, no one, would suggest this is a problem for the wider Muslim community.

“I am confident that what he has said will have been said with sensitivity and with proper regard to his Muslim constituents and Muslims right across the United Kingdom.”

Arranged marriages are common among several British Asian groups, but intermarriage of relatives is a particular characteristic of people of Pakistani origin.

It is estimated that more than 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, resulting in an increasing rate of genetic defects and high rates of infant mortality.

Figures show that British Pakistani children account for as many as one third of birth defects despite making up only three per cent of all UK births.

The likelihood of unrelated couples having the same variant genes that cause recessive disorders are estimated to be 100-1. Between first cousins, the odds increase to as much as one in eight.

In Bradford, more than three quarters of all Pakistani marriages are believed to be between first cousins. In 2005, the city’s Royal Infirmary Hospital said it had identified more than 140 different recessive disorders among local children, compared with the usual 20-30.

A study by two Indian doctors published in Neurology Asia, a medical journal, last year found a “significantly higher rate” of epilepsy among the children of parents who were blood relatives.

The issue of birth-defects and cousin-marriage was first raised in parliament two years ago by Ann Cryer, the Labour MP for Keighley in West Yorkshire.

On Sunday she said marriage between cousins was a “to do with a medieval culture where you keep wealth within the family.”

She said: "If you go into a paediatric ward in Bradford or Keighley you will find more than half of the kids there are from the Asian community.

“Since Asians only represent 20 per to 30 per cent of the population, you can see that they are over-represented.”

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Its not scientific expertise, but statistical analysis. I know so many couples, in my family and extended, who have no problem with their kids whatsoever.`

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the minister has a point, but wh single out muslims. It has nothing to do with faith, it is mor of a cultural thing than reigious. Its common within those from the sub-continent.

Im so sick of them bringing islam into the news like this all the time. The media keeps turning and twisting everything. So much to the point that muslims seem to be enemy no.1. Its disgusting, and our of order, but no1 can stop it. We r in big trouble if the media continues this propaganda and fills peoples minds with hate. The sad part is that many people are too stupid to realize that they are being brain washed!!!!

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i know a few people who married within first cousins of the family and have like physically disabled and mentaly disturbed children. Its very very sad to see them suffer in pain.

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is it really common among other ppl from subcontinent? do hindus, skihs christians also marry as much among family?

so that has to be addressed first.

secondly it is an issue, nit just from a genetic perspective, but also the issues it has caused in UK community of pak background where ppl are forced/pressured to marry within the family and either bringing someone from theri village over or some cousin locally.

the bigger issue is when the intermarriage occurs generation after generation, and that is what we are seeing now.

The minister may or may not have altruistic reasons for his statements, but an issue is an issue.

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^ no they dont marry because in christanity and hinduism all blood relations are same as the real one.
and genetics....errr....can you name some genetical diseases occurred due to intermarriages?

and also do you know what Quran says about intermarriages? :)

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So there are no laws in the UK ag/cousin marriages?

In the US, there are. I'm sure Pakistanis find ways around it, but most Pakistanis I know here are not marrying with first cousins out of respect for the law.

It becomes a big issue. Statistics are there, and this becomes a public health issue as well as an economic issue. Isn't the healthcare system in Britain such that health care is government sponsored, or you guys have some sort of national health insurance plan? Therefore, if taxes are paying for medical treatment for these families, they need to make an effort to stop the inbreeding.

These are issues that would better be broached with sensitive dialogue and the local community leaders, to get them to encourage people to mate outside the family and raise awareness about increased liklihoods of genetic diseases.

Figures show that British Pakistani children account for as many as one third of birth defects despite making up only three per cent of all UK births.

This is a glaring statistic and needs to be addressed.

As for muslim sensitivity, it should be realized that clearly this trend is in the Pakistani community and clearly Pakistani behavior is in no way exemplary of true muslim behavior, and as such, any generalizations regarding Pakistanis need not infect those who are not Pakistani and those who choose not to live in a conservative Pakistani manner.

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WTH. Reading comprehension mean anything? The minister blamed South Asian culture. It was the dumb Islamic left wingers that labeled the minister's accurate observations as "islamophobic". As if saying inbreeding is bad is an insult to islam.

Shame on all these islamic organizations for making a fool out of themselves.

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Exactly. The responsible thing for muslim organizations to do would be to come out, even do thier own stats if they don't trust other sources, confirm there is a high proportion of babies born with genetic defects who happen to be Asian, and start planning programs and tactics to battle the problem.

And its quite easy. The Quran encourages us to marry outside our "tribes". Many Pakistani muslims haven't read a sentence of translated Quran, even though they utter prayers in Arabic every day. First thing first - make muslims more aware about what God has already told them.

And show some considerate respect to someone who is showing your community that he's concerned about the health of your children. Instead, he gets verbally shot in the face by these Islamic interest groups. Makes no sense to me.

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Pyrari, I think you're asking too much from these Islamic groups - all they're good for is pulling the islamophobia card. They've got no time in their busy schedules to sit down with a concerned MP and actually listen to what good he has to say.

Such is the state of Islamic interest groups: they're more interested in covering up Islamic bums than making sure Muslims are healthy and well received. Makes you wonder what their priorities are.

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I can understand their frustrations, at times. Most of what you see in the media is negativity towards muslims, and almost never will the media cover the GOOD things muslims do in society. They take pictures of the burqa-walis, but not the modernized short-haired stylish muslim women who are leaders in society and hold excellent jobs. People don't even know moderate muslims exist. They just think - oh those are the guys who don't follow their religion. They don't even know there is a middle ground.

So, I can understand their exasperation when someone comes out and points that a group of muslims has inbreeding issues and has stats to prove it.

However, if muslim groups reacted more pro-actively every time something like this happened, people would eventually either stop making statements like these because they'd realize that you can throw all the stones you want at muslims and the suckers wont flinch, OR they'd be highly impressed and work with muslims to help the muslim community feel more at home in Britain. That way, muslims come out smelling like roses.

I guess maybe this is more of an American attitude towards problem-solving. I see plenty of muslim activist groups in the US taking this approach.

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Thats not true. South Indian Hindus can marry their cousins, as well as their mother's brothers (maamus). Jews can, and still do, marry their aunts. Up until very recently (the past 100 years or so) Christians in Europe and the US used to marry cousins (some still do).

There are no death of familial diseases, which occur because of all sorts of genetic defects that can be passed on from generation to generation. Inbreeding increases the likelihood that a child will inherit multiple defective copies of a gene...thereby increasing the risk of disease. Hemophilia, Muscular Dystrophy, Cystic Fibrosis, all sorts of metabolic and neurological disorders...all of these are genetic disorders, whose incidence can potentially be increased through inbreeding.

It says that first cousin marriages are permissible. Not that it is a sin to marry anyone but your cousin, generation after generation, till 10% of all children born in your community either die in infancy or suffer from severe genetic disorders.

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quran allows it, quran does not enforce it, but their are communities where the marriages keep happening within the family or the biradari.

and can i name some "genetical" diseases due to intermarriage?

why dont you pick up any journal on the health issues of ashknazi jews for starters.

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i agree with the statements that muslim groups should not have come out like that and criticised him. He is after all rasing an important issue. However what i was trying to say is that it seems to be one thing after another with reagrds to negativie media reporting aimed at muslims. Its gets a bit 2 much after a while.

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It is totally against North Indian (Especially Sikh and Jats), to have cousin marriage.

Here are the marriage rules:
1: Noone from the same village can be married.
2: The girl/boy cannot have the same father last name/got/clan.
3: The girl/boy cannot share the mother's and maternal grandmothers last name/got/clan.

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kerwali na insult engleand meen bhi.

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Problem is with those families who only marry within first cousins for several generations.