Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
It does not take an Einsteins brain to comprehend that Qadianis are not muslims,the state does not recognize them as such and has abstained them from indulging in Islamic practices.
Leave Einstein alone. In Pakistan, we have mouse caps that doesn't allow the brains to develop and think clearly. Irrespective of what anyone consider them, it is their right to define their own religion. As per their religious doctrine, they believe and practice offering namaz, roza, reciting Quran etc. How can you tell them that don't do that and go and worship idols.
I challenge everyone here to bring a single example from the Islamic history where a group or community has been prohibited from Kalima, Azaan, Quran etc. before Ahmadis. You will not find any other than the example of early muslims facing similar acts at the hands of Quraish-e-Makkah.
Now try to use your Einstein brain and find out as whose footsteps are you treading on?
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
No. It is not as simple a matter and you have drawn a wrong analogy. If in Iran, sunnis are not only declared non-muslims but also prohibited from reciting Quran, say salam, aazan etc. or in saudi arabia, shia are declared non-muslims and also face same prohibitions. Then do let me know what will be your course of action.
What I am saying may seem to be politically incorrect but the fact is that Mr Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the last prophet or the last prophets reincarnation. Therefore anyone that believes in the teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad cannot be a muslim by definition. It might be unpleasant for some people but that is the law of the land and everyone has to abide by it. You are free to practice your faith and beliefs but you cannot pretend to be a muslim, because by definition you are not even to a religiously illiterate person like me.
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
It may be cruel on this poor old man, but then a lot of laws can be cruel. I got a parking ticket the other day which I thought was cruel. The French headscarf ban is cruel. People being killed and tortured in the name of protecting us is cruel. Having our civil liberties curtailed in "free countries" is cruel. If he had been reading the Quran in private then there wouldn't not have been any problem, or if he claims to be a non muslim and studying the Quran perhaps he can get out of it but there is a recording of him and god knows what else he said.
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
What I am saying may seem to be politically incorrect but the fact is that Mr Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the last prophet or the last prophets reincarnation. Therefore anyone that believes in the teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad cannot be a muslim by definition.
This is totally incorrect. This shows your lack of knowledge regarding Ahmadi beliefs. I don't want to get into a debate here but whatever you have stated about the promised Messiah (as) is untrue.
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It might be unpleasant for some people but that is the law of the land and everyone has to abide by it. You are free to practice your faith and beliefs but you cannot pretend to be a muslim, because by definition you are not even to a religiously illiterate person like me.
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No we are not FREE to practice our faith in Pakistan. Reading Quran is part of our faith.
My question is why should government tell us what should constitute our religion? I don't understand why a simple thought is not getting through.
why would we pretend to be 'Muslim. This is a pretty ridiculous thought. We simply want to practice OUR faith and nobody else's. and don't want a label of 'Muslim' from the state.
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
It may be cruel on this poor old man, but then a lot of laws can be cruel. I got a parking ticket the other day which I thought was cruel. The French headscarf ban is cruel. People being killed and tortured in the name of protecting us is cruel. Having our civil liberties curtailed in "free countries" is cruel. If he had been reading the Quran in private then there wouldn't not have been any problem, or if he claims to be a non muslim and studying the Quran perhaps he can get out of it but there is a recording of him and god knows what else he said.
The person didn't go out in public and preach his faith. His 'patients' started all this. They went there with a plan so if their victim says something in response then it will be recorded and can be presented as an 'evidence'. Actually, I think that man was naive to fall for their trap. He should not have engaged in any sort of religious discussion with them keeping in view the situation in Pakistan but still the trap was deliberately set up
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This is ridiculous....... there are plenty of 'recognized muslim' sects followers who are doing far worse un-islamic deeds...... an example would be the malangs on all those darbaars.......and all those peer faqeers etc...
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
My local library has books from may faiths, including Qur'an, with English translation. You could read if you wish and no one will arrest you. And this in a nutshell is the difference between enlightened and tolerant west & religious orientated nations like Pakistan. Religious intolerance and bigotry breeds chaos that Pakistan finds itself it today. Its books learners vs the book burner & those who justifying this behavior, many on this thread, are part of the problem.
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
Bhutto and zia act like Feron and both got punished a death which make ibrat and sign that don't try to be god and don't act like god. Both persons even dead in air marte marte bhi Pak zameeen pe paon bhi NA rakh sake.
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This is what Wikipedia says about your promised messiah Mr Mirza Ghulam Ahmed:
Though he is regarded by mainstream Muslims as heretical because he claimed to be a non law-bearing (deputy) prophet after Muhammad, whom mainstream Muslims traditionally believe to be the final prophet sent to guide mankind. He declared that Jesus (Isa) had in fact survived crucifixion and later died a natural death after having migrated towards Kashmir, and that the notion of his physical return was therefore erroneous. He declared that he had been divinely appointed as the Messiah, in the spirit and power of Jesus.
Here is another quote from I would think Mr Ahmad’s book:
**“And know that just as our holy Prophet was born in the 5th century, in the same way he was reborn in the end of 19th century in the incarnation of the Promised Masih (Mirza)”. (Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, P. 180; Roohani Khazain, Vol. 16, P. 270)
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You are free to practice your faith but the law stops you from misleading people by claiming that you are muslims. Preaching to 2 people inside a clinic (which is a public place) is not practicing your faith privately.
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And below is what you think about the rest of us:
"Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad, or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the promised Masih, is not only a Kafir, but a 'pakka' (confirmed) Kafir, and (he is) out of the fold of Islam." (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, by Mirza Bashir Ahmad, M.A.)
Re: British doctor in Pakistan arrested for reading Koran
^^^ Their beliefs are irrelevant & whatever they believe, or not, does not give you the right to persecute them.
They are not above the law of the land. If you call punishment for breaking a law persecution, then we are all being persecuted or face potential persecution.
