british agent part 2! a reply! muftis of Makkah in trouble!

Most, if not all, of the previous prophets have been accused of taking bribe and being an agent. It will be funny to ask mr. extreme, that if we assume that the british helped a false prophet prosper, we also allah was unable to stop them (naoozubillah) ???

Also, in 1952, 53, when there was mass killing of the ahmadis, in order to clean them off from the surface of the earth, who saved them?? It was an islamic country, and no british were there to save the ahmedis!! allah has promissed himself that he punishes the false prophet! Why was a need felt for the Molvis to do the job of allah?? and who saved the ahmedis?? was anyone more powerful than allah (naoozubillah), who managed to save them thru this time???

  1. THE FIRST LIE: " THE ARRIVAL OF BRITISH EMPIRE IN INDIA."

Extreme talked of this report published in 1870! However, he has failed to give the name of the publisher so anyone could carry out further inquiry!
However, the same allegation has been published in the white paper against the ahmedis by the government of pakistan. They also gave the name of the press where it was published. It was found out that:
a) there is NO such book as was specified by the government in its so called white paper.
b) there is no such press as was specified by the government in their so called white paper.
c) The british meuseam has confirmed that NO SUCH REPORT HAS BEEN EVER PRESENTED IN THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT!
If anyone wants, they can investigate this matter personally, by asking Mr. extreme about where has this report been published. and it will become evident!

  1. THE SECOND LIE : " self implemented seedling"

It is highly irresponsible , that mr. extreme, in his UNORIGINAL and STOLEN essay has compared two statments:

REAL : " Government should take great care regarding this SELF-IMPLANTED SEEDLING . ."
DISTORTED : I am the "Self-implanted/Self-cultivated Seedling " of the British Government.

As it is evident, the “self implanted seedling” is the only thing common between the real statment, and its presentation by Mr. extreme!

Please make it clear that the term was used For the family of Mirza ghulam ahmed of qadian, who had been deprived of their lands by the government, besides their services to the government, as explained by extreme. It is interesting to note that the family of mirza sahab, which is being talked about, was NOT AHMEDI but was SUNNI, so this reference, by their own method, prove SUNNIS to be self-appointed seedlings of the british!!!

  1. Caught in your own trap!

Please keep in mind, the koranic verses you posted, and how you used them against the sayings of mirza ghulam ahmad. Now please observe the saying of your own scholars:

→ Allama Muhammad Iqbal:
On the death of queen victoria, he was of opinion that it is another example of the sad incident of muharram:

" mayyat uthee hai shah ki tazeem kay liye,
iqbal urr kay khaak-e-sar-e- rahguzaar ho
soorat wohi hai naam main rakha huwa hai kya?
daitay hain naam maah-e-muharram ka hum to,
kehtay hain aaj eed huwee hai, huwa keray
is eed say to maut hee aaye khuda keray! "

This is your “mujaahed-e-aazam”!!

→ Molvi mohammad hussain bataalwi ( ehle hadith ):

" Sultan-e-rome, aik islami baadshah hai, lekin amne-aam, aur husne-intezaam kay lihaaz say BRITISH GOVERNMENT bhee hum musalmano kay liye kuch kum fakhar ka mojib nahee hai! Aur khaas kur groh-e- Ehle hadith kay liye, is waqt ki saltanat, balehaaz-e amn-o-azadi, is waqt ki tamaam islami saltanaton. rome, iran, kharasaan, say burh ker fakhar ka mojib hai!"
( ash’at sunnah, number 10, volume 6, page 292 )
“Ehle hadith is saltanat ki reaayaa honay ko, islami saltanat ki reaaya honay say behter jaantay hain!”
( this was their own point of view till yesterday! And now they claim its mirza ghulam ahmed who is the british agent! )

→ maulana zafar ali khan ( majlis-e-ahraar )

" Musalmaan aik lamha kay liye bhee is hakoomat say bad-zun honay ka khayaal bhee nahee ker saktay! Agar koi BADBAKHT musalmaan government say sarkashi ki jurrat keray, to hum dankay ki chot kehtay hain, kay woh musalmaan musalmaan nahee!!!"
( please note that they think who isnt loyal to british government, is not even a muslim. Then how come mirza ghulam ahmed is being called a non-muslim for being loyal to the british government??? )
" apnay baadshah-e- aalam panah kee peeshani kay aik qatray ki bajaye apnay jism ka khoon khoon bahaanay ko tayyaar hain! aur yehi haalat Hindustaan kay TAMAAM MUSALMAANO ki hai "

( according to this statment, all indian muslims become “self planted seedling” !! In such a state of affairs when people say that in order to remain a muslim, one must be loyal to the british government… why exactly did the british government need to lift a “self planted seedling”??? )
( “zemeendaar” newspaper, 11th november 1911 )

→ Muftis of Khana ka’aba:

following muftis of khana ka’aba have given “fatwa” that India is “daarus salaam” and no jehad against government is allowed:

  1. jammaluddeen bin abdullah shaikh umar, (hanfi) mufti makka mukarma
  2. Hussain bin ibraheem ( maalki ) mufti makka muazzama
  3. Ahmed bin zahni (sha’fi) mufti makka muazzama

This uncovers a little from the character of the ancesstors of those, who are today trying to make allegations against the promissed messiah, peace be upon him!!

Now it is the the demand of rationality, justice, and “taqwa”, that keeping the koranic verses in mind, you MUST also conclude the same thing about YOUR OWN ANCESSTORS, your own allama iqbaal, and you own muftis of makkah, as you are concluding about the promissed messiah!!


O thou who runnest towards me with a hundred hatchets!
Have fear of the gardener,
For I am a fruit-bearing branch!
( mirza ghulam ahmed of qadian )


So be on watch for a day when heaven shall bring a manifest smoke
covering the people; this is a painful chastisement. ‘O our lord remove thou from us, the chastisement; we are believers.’ How should they have the reminder? seeing a clear Messenger has already come to them, then they turned away from him, and said,’ A man, tutored, possessed!"
( the koran, verse 11-14, chapter 44, Smoke, the nuclear explosion.)

Jewels have attributed a lot of pathetic quotes to some of the well known and respectable Islamic personalities. First of all let us draw a distinction here. They were all human beings and not a prophet, Mahdi, Maryam, Eesa and so many other that MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD so intelligently wants us to beleive him. First, I doubt that being an Ahmadi he will ever quote anything under the true context. Second being an organized group they have access to all the world's major propaganda resources in their homes and centers which they so maliciously publish. Hmmm, I wonder who is backing them financially. Even if these quotes are true and they all said these things does it stand it to reason that Mirza was truthful in his claim. These two things do not add up. None of these respectable people uttered any blasphemies against religious figures like Mirza did. Therefore, there blunders are far smaller in magnitude and proportion than honorable Mirza's who apparently had a foot in mouth disorder. And why are we comparing the statements of ordinary muslims who are respected for their literary worth to a person who claims to be a multiple personality in prophethood and dishes out blasphemies like second nature. Are we to have a similar criteria for moral conduct as far as a prophet and a literary person is concerned?.

[This message has been edited by iqadeer (edited April 22, 1999).]

[This message has been edited by iqadeer (edited April 22, 1999).]

Nice couplet jewel. Mirza said poetically "O thou who runnest towards me with a hundred hatchets!
Have fear of the gardener,
For I am a fruit-bearing branch!
( mirza ghulam ahmed of qadian )"
No thanks mirza. Your fruit might be hazardous to our health.

Just say the word, jewels and i'll show you just how much a British agent the Mirza was. So how about it? You want me to carry on?

Dear i qadeer,

no matter how much you try to distort the reality, everyone knows who started the "out-of-context-quote" game, and i have proved some WRONG quotes in the above essay too! sharam ka taqaaza tha kay ab aap log chup ho jaatay, magar aap ki himmat hai kay saaf jhoot bol ker bhee sharam ko paas nahee lagnay daitay!

Dear extreme,

After posting TWO clear lies, aap ko takkay ki bhee sharam na ayee???
There's no point in carrying on unless and until you:

1) apologize for your lies
2) declare that zafar ali khan, muhammad hussain bataalwi, and muftis of makkah, are also biritish agents! because they said the same things as said by mirza sahab.

If you are posting the truth, why did you need LIES to support it?????????
Truth and lies dont go hand in hand!
i have often heared that one needs to speak lis to defend a lie, but have never heared or seen someone speaking MANIFEST LIES to defend the truth!!

Once you have knowingly posted false material on the forum, you shouldnt have been shameless enough to apologize!!

Dear Qadeer bahi and aur meray Xtremist Bahi, heres something related.. hope you can decipher it..

This is CUTnPASTED from another thread..
To STUD: Re Qadianis, [By brother ASIF]April 21, 1999.

In Reply to ASIF's objection I wrote, .... and as far as your objection is concerned, that we Ahmadis are some sort of British funded squad or the Israelis Terrorists implanted to eradicate Islam, so let me put the actual words of that Pious Man, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) regarding this query.

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“yaqeenun samjho kay yay Khuda ka lagaya hua pauda (plant) hai – Khuda is ko hergiz zaya nahin keray ga – Wo razi nahin hoga jab tuk kay is ko kamal tuk na phaunchaday aur wo is kii aabpashi (watering) keray ga aur is kay gird ahatay (fence) bna’ay ga aur ta’aajub-anjaiz taraqeeyaat day ga – Kya tum nay kuch kam zoor lagaya?? – pas yay ager insaan ka kaam hota to kabhi ka yay darkht (tree) *kata jata – aur is ka naam-o-nishaan baqi na rahta.” *
*[roohani khazain vol 1, anjaam-e atham p 64] *

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May Allah Guide us on the Right Path and may Allah curse on all those who lie...aameen

lanatulla-hay kazaybeen

wa'salam

Xtreeemly your's

Zalim

Dear Zalim
Mirza Ghulam's quote has no meaning if looked under the context of all other batil or false religions that have billions of followers. Hinduism, christianity and buddhist religions have far more followers and they are just as astray as you are. This life has a choice for every one. You make your choice of truth or Batil. The next life you find out how right or wrong you were. The truth is manifest by Quran and sunna. The shariat and the sunnat are intact and the deen has been perfected by our last messanger Rasool Sallalho Alaihi Wassalam. There is no need for any nabi to come. If you claim Mirza was a mujadid then claim of prophethood becomes hollow. I know my sincere reasoning is falling on deaf ears but I will continue to expose the fallacy of Mirzaism to keep innocent from falling in your trap atleast at this forum. As far as the human rights of Ahmadis are concerned, I have already stated my position of equal protection to all minorities in Islam.

Dear Jewels,
May Allah allow you to see how wrong you are in obeying Mirza. Ameen. Looks like you are growing tired of playing this game. I will stop responding to your Qadiani propaganda only if you stop spreading lies. You see my conscience will not allow me to see people fall to your campaign of misinformation. I must give you all credit for investing so much money and effort in working to destroy the foundation of Islam. But my friend this deen was never spread primarily, by sword, money or pseudointellectualism that Ahmadi religion is thriving upon. Islam was spread through the blood of the Rasool Sallalho Allahi Wassalam and his companions. No matter how many misleading pamphlets and fliers you guys crank out, no matter how many discrepancies in the tafaseer of various Ulema of Islam you may dig to confuse innocent people, the legacy of Rasool (peace be upon him) will continue and Islam will prove its resilience once again that it can bear any vicious onslaught upon its character, like it did in past, and these batil ideas like Ahmadiasm will remain on the fringes of mainstream Islam. Yes the ulema of Islam have their differences but none of these are so pronounced as the difference for example between Ahmadiasm and Islam as represented by the sunni majority. When the push comes to shove, Muslims will be ready to set aside their differences and face their common enemies on the forefront of whom will be Ahmadis like yourself. Imam Mahdi will InshaAllah soon appear himself and dispel all the myths that Ahmadis have forged about him. My heartfelt prayer to Allah is that when such a time arrives, may Allah give all the Muslim Ummat courage to stand the test of Imaan and willingly give their lives in the path of Allah. Ameen.

[This message has been edited by iqadeer (edited April 22, 1999).]

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dear Qadeer bahi

Thankyou for you prompt response.

I just want to ask you one thing. if you think that the ISLAM HAS BEEN PERFECTED (as you mentioned), then why you people are waiting for Imam Mehdi to come or Jesus(as) to decent, why Mujaddid’s at the head of each century?? despite an INTACT SHARIAT AND THE SUNNAT, why so many * dair ainth ki masjidain*, why so much frustration and agony all over the Muslim world, why so much crisis, .... there is whole list of questions perhaps if you can answer just one. ask yourself first

You people just hate without any logic.. you dont have the courage to accept anyone.. even if an Imam Mehdi(according to your belief) will come, you will not accept him... probably you might put him on cross also.. Brother Jewel is trying his best to answer you.. but "denial" the KEY WORD.

Sir, if you think that you are a truth seeker, then the only way is to ask the LIVING GOD for the right path, there is no other way to break your false beliefs.. the other solution is wait and see.. TIME will show you the other side of the picture.

listen the sole purpose of this jama’at is to revive the true sprit and philosophy of Islam, to cleanse Islam of all superstitious and unnecessary beliefs and customs which had crept in over the past fourteen centuries, and finally, to preach the religion of Islam to non-Muslims with the enthusiasm and zeal of the early Muslims and gather every one under one roof of Holy Prophet(sa).

ager aap loogon main thori see bhi gairat hai to kam'az-kam aik aisi jama’t ka pta btain jo dain-e-Islam kay leay kuch ker rahi ho, jo kasr-e-saleeb ker rahi ho.. dunya kay her mazahib say muqabla ker rahi ho..
aur islam ka paigaam dunya kay konoo tuk pauhcha rahi ho... ???????????

aap loog kuch kerna he chahtay ho to uttho aur Islam ko bachaooo, kay is waqt wo bahut gharib hai... apni namazoon ko mazboot kero aur us azeem hastee say madad chaho...

lanatulla'hay kazaybeen

.

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited April 23, 1999).]

Zalim
You got confused when I said "perfected". I meant the shariat and sunnat of prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and not the actions of people. Mujadid's job is only to remind people to obey Allah and Rasool (peace be upon him) and yes that has been going on ever since the beginning of Islam. Yes there is division among muslims but majority of the muslims are not idealogically aligned to any one particular group. There is a apathetic mood among the muslims of this time in general. However, they are united in one aspect and that is none of them believes Mirza Ghulam as the Mahdi. You see, Mahdi will be endorsed by the very molvis you mention so scornfully. And ofcourse there are signs to recognize him. Mirza sahib did not fulfil the conditions therefore he was rejected. Muslims beleive that Mahdi will lay no claim to prophethood but rather act as their amir or leader. Mr Zalim, I appreciate your compassion for me but just as you beleive that you will be guided by following Mirza, I beleive in the sunnat of Mohammad(peace be upon him). You may have your reasons for thinking that Mirza epitomized the teachings of Quran, I see that differently. If you have remained unconvinced by the sunnis regarding why they reject Mirza, I have also not seen what truly makes him the messiah.