Britain Goes Halal

Nice! We can eat out at all those places now!

On a serious note do you think its wrong to serve halal meat to people like that? Although the slaughter is not an issue on religious grounds but suddenly animal health and welfare is an issue.
Could we end up losing the right to slaughter meat how we want? Some British are boycotting places which use halal meat.

Britain goes halal… but no-one tells the public: How famous institutions serve ritually slaughtered meat with no warning
By Simon Mcgee and Martin Delgado
Last updated at 11:04 PM on 18th September 2010

A Mail on Sunday investigation – which will alarm anyone concerned about animal cruelty – has revealed that schools, hospitals, pubs and famous sporting venues such as Ascot and Twickenham are controversially serving up meat slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law to unwitting members of the public.
All the beef, chicken and lamb sold to fans at Wembley has secretly been prepared in accordance with sharia law, while Cheltenham College, which boasts of its ‘strong Christian ethos’, is one of several top public schools which also serves halal chicken to pupils without informing them.
Even Britain’s biggest hotel and restaurant group Whitbread, which owns the Beefeater and Brewers Fayre chains, among many others, has admitted that more than three-quarters of its poultry is halal.
A Manchester United fan tucks into a burger at Wembley Stadium, which serves only halal meat
Animal welfare campaigners have long called for a ban on the traditional Islamic way of preparing meat – which involves killing animals by drawing a knife across their throats, without stunning them first – saying it is cruel and causes unnecessary pain.
Sharia law expressly forbids knocking the animal out with a bolt gun, as is usual in British slaughter*houses. Instead, it must be sentient when its throat is cut, and the blood allowed to drip from the carcass while a religious phrase in praise of Allah is recited.
The extent of halal meat consumption, even in areas of Britain with a very small Muslim population, was revealed as the Pope, on his first visit to Britain, expressed fears that the country was not doing enough to preserve traditional Christian values and customs.
In a strongly worded speech to Parliament, he said: ‘There are those who argue that the public celebration of festivals such as Christmas should be discouraged, in the questionable belief that it might somehow offend those of other religions or none.’
But it is animal rights groups which have been most vociferous in their opposition to halal slaughter. Campaign organisation Viva!, whose supporters include Heather Mills and Joanna Lumley, said in a statement: ‘Other practices which may be undertaken for religious reasons, such as polygamy or the stoning of adulterers, are not permitted in the UK.
‘Religious freedom does not override other moral considerations and the suffering caused by this form of slaughter is so severe that it cannot be allowed to prevent action to be taken. Consumers can do their bit by boycotting places that persist in selling meat from unstunned animals.’
Race-goers indulge in some fast food at Ascot where meat is slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law
An RSPCA spokesman added: ‘The public have a right to know how their meat is produced. Many people are extremely concerned about animal welfare. What The Mail on Sunday has discovered shows that people are not being kept informed. The key to a more humane death for these animals is that they are stunned before slaughter.’
A spokesman for Twickenham, which sells only halal chicken despite not advertising the fact, insisted that the lack of transparency ‘had never been an issue’ and said: ‘Our consideration is more for those who want halal, to ensure they get it.’
Other institutions secretly serving up meat that is halal – or ‘permissible’ – include Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust and one of London’s *biggest NHS Trusts, Guy’s and St *Thomas’. A spokesman for the London hospitals admitted: ‘The only way *people using the canteen would know they were *eating halal chicken would be if they asked a member of staff directly.’
Whitbread, which also owns Table Table restaurants, Costa Coffee shops and Premier Inn hotels, admitted last night that 80 per cent of the chicken it served comes from halal poultry *suppliers, including some in Muslim-dominated Turkey.
A Whitbread spokesman said: ‘We don’t specify halal as a requirement in our procurement. We base our *decision on quality and price.
‘It just turns out that we source that amount of chicken from suppliers that happen to be halal.
‘It is not mentioned on any of our menus because we don’t think there is customer demand for that information. But if people started asking, then we would definitely provide it.’
Marlborough College in Wiltshire has admitted that while halal chicken is usually only served to Muslims, it had ‘occasionally’ served it to all pupils
Rival operator Mitchells & Butlers, which owns the Harvester, Browns and Toby Carvery restaurant chains as well as pub chains All Bar One and O’Neill’s, was even more opaque about the source of its meats.
A spokesman said it had a ‘broad range of suppliers’ but declined to say how many were halal-certified.
Ascot racecourse said it was easier to store and cook only one type of meat. ‘All our chicken is halal. This is not advertised as the menus are kept as simple as possible,’ said a spokesman.
A Football Association spokesman confirmed: ‘All the beef, chicken and lamb sold at Wembley Stadium is halal which means a large proportion of the meat on offer to our customers falls into this category.’ Pork, which is *forbidden to Muslims, is also served at the stadium.
Cheltenham College boarding school in Gloucestershire admitted: ‘We have not sent a letter, nor is there any note on menus that informs parents and pupils that the chicken served in the canteen is mostly halal.’
Marlborough College, in Wiltshire, admitted that while halal chicken is usually served only to Muslims, it had ‘occasionally’ served it to all pupils. The school refused to say whether parents and pupils had been informed.
Britain’s Muslim community is exempt from regulations that require animals to be stunned before death, as is kosher meat prepared for the Jewish market.
Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, secretary of the Associate Parliamentary Group for Animal Welfare, said: ‘I don’t object to people of different religious groups being catered for but it’s not something that should be imposed on everybody else.
'The vast majority of people in this country would not want meat of this origin. The outlets have a duty to let their customers know because some will object very strongly, not least because of the animal welfare implications of halal.’
Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: ‘We suspected that meat killed by the halal and kosher methods was being used for general consumption but we never imagined it was so widespread. It is disgraceful that people aren’t being told if the food they are being served is from meat that has not been stunned prior to slaughter.’
In 2003, Government advisory body the Farm Animal Welfare Council published a report declaring that the halal method of killing ‘would inevit
ably trigger a barrage of sensory information to the brain in a sensible (conscious) animal’.
Experts who contributed to the report concluded that ‘such a massive injury would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes’.
Muslim leaders insist that animal welfare measures are observed during slaughter. Guidelines issued by the Islamic Cultural Centre in London state that ‘no stress or discomfort’ should be inflicted on the animal and that the knife must be sharp and clean.
Brutal reality of the ritual that allows animals to be slaughtered without being stunned first
More than 40 million cattle, calves and sheep and more than 850 million poultry are slaughtered every year in Britain.
The vast majority are stunned before slaughter but UK law allows the Jewish and Muslim communities to kill animals by religious methods without any form of stunning.
A number of requirements have been put in place, however, in an attempt to reduce animal suffering.
The rules state that the throat must be cut with one rapid, uninterrupted movement of the knife. Both carotid arteries and both jugular veins must be severed.
In addition, the knife must be inspected before each animal is slaughtered to ensure that it is of sufficient size and sharpness.
But welfare campaigners say the rules are not enough.
The Government’s independent advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council, says sheep may lose consciousness within five to seven seconds of the cut.
But research has shown that some calves remain brain-responsive for up to two minutes. This is because the carotid arteries can contract after the cut has been made, effectively sealing the severed ends and maintaining blood pressure in the brain.
The RSPCA says all meat produced from animals that have not been stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled so that it can be easily identified by consumers.
Sharia law states that the abattoir involved in the process must be under the ‘close and constant supervision’ of an Islamic religious organisation.
Under these rules, the cut must be made to the right side of the neck by cutting the two carotids, the two jugulars, the windpipe and the gullet, but without breaking the spinal cord.
The carcass must empty of blood and a specific time should be allowed until the animal ceases to move before the next stage of the production process – de-skinning and removing the internal organs – may begin.

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I will see the statement of people talking about cruelty to animals and will up them with cruelty in industrial poultry farms, cattle farms and meat processing plants.

Let people eat what they want, and establishments to serve what they choose whether it is halal or not.

if i go to a place which uses lard in all their cooking, I will not eat there, so if someone has an issue with a place that serves halal, they can go somewhere else too. I dont think anyone is forcing these groups to serve halal only just like no one forces other establishments to cook their food in lard. So its between these groups and customers. nothing more than that.

these are the same animal rights groups who also will tell you not to have dairy or eggs etc. I may just start countering them with a plant rights group.

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wow...that is great..I wish they would do the same here.

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I still wouldnt trust the meat!

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How many who jump up and down about animal rights protest or even talk about human rights? The priorities are upside down it seems.

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:eek:

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@ diwana - some people in the West would rather give to an animal charity than a charity for dying babies.

@FoxyToxy - your prb right - there will be the whole HFA vs HMC issues in there.

@ X2 - your right its an issue between customers and organisations. organisations will get their meat where it is cheapest and most convenient. originally people would have not thought its an issue serving halal to christriians or atheists as they dont need meat to be cut in a certain way. i can see business's thinking lets increase our custom by possibly up to 50% in some areas if they served halal. Now these people have remembered animals rights and welfare although they still eat at Kebab houses, Halal fast foo establishments and Halal restaurants.

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Costaa… but only 80%.. hmm.. :bummer:

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I found the animal cruelty bit quite funny to read too

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Yeah, but how many of you people who insist on halal meat have actually slaughtered an animal? Most of the women have never done it, I am sure. Maybe a few of the men. Well I have slaughtered the chickens and ducks which I raised myself, and I can tell you it is a difficult thing to do. It is hard on the soul. But I do it because I want to be a responsible meat-eater. But do I slit their throats and let them suffer? Nope, I do not. I chop their heads off in a single stroke with a cleaver, because I want to be sure that there is no suffering, no mistakes.

What is the difference in the amount of blood which gets pumped out by the chicken's involuntary muscle spasms compared with the amount which would have been pumped out by the dying heart as the chicken slowly loses consciousness? I do not know. I only know that my way, the brain and perception of pain stops instantly. That is most important to me.

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Whether you slaughter them the halal way or the other way, you're going to be munching on the animal's bones later on anyway.

Secondly, those who talk about the moral considerations and the pain infliction, Hazrat Mohammad saw slaughtered animals the halal way and he knew a thing or two about morals and animal rights.

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UK is a Islamic country!!! This was the remark passed by Pakistani from Belgium.

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similarly, how many people have been in a regular meat processing plant and seen what goes on there, before the animals are slaughtered and when they are slaughtered. so when people complain along cruelty lines, they should just go vegan I suppose. or not eat things like pate' or veal. and the conditions at large scale poultry farms, and cattle ranches are not very humane either.

I am in full support of source of ingredients clearly listed out whether it is halal, kosher, contains preservatives, contains pork byproducts. full disclosure. and then let people decide whether they want it or not. I have equal sympathy with someone who does not want to eat zabeeha or kosher but eats it without knowing it was that, and with some vegetarian who eats something without knowing it had animal ingredients in it, or someone eating something and not knowing that it had porcine ingredients in it.

and lets not limit it to animal suffering please...label products clearly which are made in factories with children or with poor working conditions, diamond pricetags should have a label noting its a blood diamond, or veggies which were picked by underpaid illegal immigrants etc..because human rights can not be ignored :)

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It's all balony!

This article is a double blow.

It is designed to make us believe that halal meat is everywhere, duping the unlikely Muslim to eat 'everywhere' and furthermore it will incite fury amongst British people who fear they are losing their Britishness in the name of being inviting to other cultures.

The truth:

Most halal outlets are haram they advertise halal because they want to grab a larger audience and there is no law in place that can enforce false advertising of halal meat.

The media have just put their own spin on it. Most British people don't give a damn about what they eat. The fact that it is halal doesn't concern them, the pseudo-informed however say things like "I like halal meat ... it tastes better".

As I scoff I mentally imagine how many HMC places those people have actually been to.

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@ psyah - would you eat at a HFA certified place?