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Enigmatic and Princessrania, how often do you see your families back home?
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It’s been 7 months since I moved here and so far I wouldnt be able to go to Pak till March/April yet 
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Any Grooms come to UK from Pak on here???
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I think the government should ban immigration. Yes, I voted for the BNP.
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^ That’s like a black person voting for the KKK
That’s like 25 mins from where I live! =D
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Its okay. CEO1 thinks he is white. Its all good.
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they shouldn't ban immigration but they should make it harder for people to immigrate into the country.
Why?
Because a lot of those immigrants don't work and end up on government support.
You don't have to be white to think that they should be stricter with immigration you just have to have common sense.
I mean come on the economy is crashing in UK why would you want to let more people in just so they can leach?
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they shouldn't ban immigration but they should make it harder for people to immigrate into the country. Why? Because a lot of those immigrants don't work and end up on government support.
You don't have to be white to think that they should be stricter with immigration you just have to have common sense. I mean come on the economy is crashing in UK why would you want to let more people in just so they can leach?
I agree but voting for thugs who come from a party who's manifesto is very racist, who's entire leadership has been convicted of hate filled crimes against non-whites, who have been caught on camera again and again saying the most vile racist stuff (youtube it anyone in doubt) is completely unbelievable especially if an Asian does it. That is as I said like a black guy voting for the KKK.
This reminds me of Abdul Salam, the Asian guy in English Defence League who is brainwashed and claims that EDL aren't racist at all even though everywhere around him vile chants about Allah are being sung.
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Yes, there are a lot of people who think like that you just have to ignore them and laugh at them if they are being retarded.
Its unfortunate that there are so many people who go overseas but don't care to learn the language or culture in the new country they live in but they get offended if anyone finds offense with them bringing their culture into their country.
Why must one only speak Chinese/Japanese/Urdu in an English country? I see a lot of Asians who don't bother learning and just stick to the community and wonder why people stereotype/hate them so much.
You want people to stop being racist? Talk to them, try to understand where they are coming from.
anyway one doesn't have to be educated to be more tolerant they just have to be more exposed. I don't really care for racism but in some aspects people bring it onto themselves when they don't even bother trying to learn the language in the respective country and find the easier option wether it be Pakistan, UK or even China.
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Yes, there are a lot of people who think like that you just have to ignore them and laugh at them if they are being retarded.
**Its unfortunate that there are so many people who go overseas but don't care to learn the language or culture in the new country they live in but they get offended if anyone finds offense with them bringing their culture into their country.
Why must one only speak Chinese/Japanese/Urdu in an English country? I see a lot of Asians who don't bother learning and just stick to the community and wonder why people stereotype/hate them so much.** You want people to stop being racist? Talk to them, try to understand where they are coming from.
anyway one doesn't have to be educated to be more tolerant they just have to be more exposed. I don't really care for racism but in some aspects people bring it onto themselves when they don't even bother trying to learn the language in the respective country and find the easier option wether it be Pakistan, UK or even China.
Where have I said that's okay?
So you think people bring it themselves on do you?
I know English inside out, I've spent my life in England, I've had more white friends than Asian, I live in a 95% white dominated town, I socialise with my white neighbors when I can yet I've been racially abused at times but you think going by your *impeccable *logic that I've brought racism on myself do you? That some scummy racist calling me derogatory terms is fully justified in doing so?
You think not learning English justifies the absolute filthy vile chanting used by the scum racists?
I have had my white friends abused by Asians too infront of me and I accept Asians have to change too. What I won't do is justify the racism like you're trying to do. :)
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lol. my dear its understandable not justifiable.
If people are not exposed they won't be tolerant because its the unknown.
You think you have it bad? Come on, I'm white and asian and nobody can guess where I am from or what languages I can speak or even if I can understand them. talk about being an immigrant in your own countries lol.
and yes I think some people do bring it on themselves and that affects other people. For instance I saw two african-americans on the train in Japan talking loudly in English and drinking alcohol (its the middle of the day...) Don't you think that because of these people that most people get thrown racist slurs?
and then there are those who claim to have a different nationality so they don't get called a terrorist.
Because of the minority who act badly the whole community get subjected to abuse...
thus they bring it onto themselves by just sticking to their community and not actually knowing if all Pakistanis are crazy terrorists who order their wives around or that all oriental asians know each other... haha facepalms
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I do think its good that we have the history of KKK or Hitler etc because of them we have become more tolerant and we've learned from others mistakes.
Although now instead of killing each other off because of religion or skin colour we're simply killing people off because they have what we want or because we don't agree with them.
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has the world become more peaceful or dangerous?
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This doesn’t even make sense, bold bits. How would a racist driving by and shouting rude stuff to me know if I know any English or not? And what are you on about; every Asian in England knows the English language, virtue of being born here. Only people who do not are the old parents or poor poverty driven immigrants who are more worried about putting food in their mouths, so you’re justifying racism on old people and ignorant immigrants then!
So you say if a white person sees immigrants not speaking English and then as a result when he is driving and sees an Asian and proceeds to shout racist abuse is understandable? Dear me…
So in a nutshell you say that if we see two people from another race acting badly we should racially abuse them or find it justifiable? Oh dear
What an astonishing statement. Imagine how the victims families, the countless lynched blacks or the murdered people under Hitler were to react if they were alive ‘‘Hey its good KKK and Nazis burned, butchered and hanged your families but hey guess what we are all happy as we should make horrendous mistakes that way we learn stuff from it!’’
Does the human race ever? No.
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okay how else would we learn from our history =_="
how do we know now that its not good to have slaves?
how do we know now that its not good to treat people badly?
how do we know now that we are all the same even if we have different skin colour or heritage.
and I'm sorry for writing such a confusing post.
I am not advocating racism but the fact of the matter is people who are racist generally stick to their own community. Wether it be white, green, purple, brown, yellow or black. They are racist because they do NOT know.
Did you completely skip the part where I said that people judge those who act badly and think thats the normality for that community? Why do you think people think Pakistan is a hell hole? or that Americans are all fat/stupid? or that Thailand is filled with transvestite prostitutes? It is because they only believe what they hear or see.
that is not true there are people who do not know English who live in English countries. I mean why would they need to? My Chinese cousins relatives don't speak a word of English and they live in Australia. I know white people who live in Japan and don't speak any Japanese.
Now I find it disrespectful you may not but if I were to live in Pakistan I sure as hell wouldn't want to talk in English because my Urdu would never improve and be stuck just saying hi, yes/no etc.
Also the reason why I said it was understandable and not justifiable is because I get that because they aren't exposed to it or they don't know anybody who is of that race that they don't understand. However its not justifiable enough that they can use racial slurs at each other or worse be violent.
Now I get often asked if I'm an exchange student because I look white in Japan. I get offended by this but that doesn't mean I go calling the person a racist because I understand that in their eyes I am different and even though it makes me sad it gives me an opportunity to enlighten those who judge a book for its cover :P
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Dear Raima. I am in Trafford what about you?
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okay how else would we learn from our history =_=" how do we know now that its not good to have slaves? how do we know now that its not good to treat people badly? how do we know now that we are all the same even if we have different skin colour or heritage.
What a strange statement because it doesn't even make sense.
The millions killed by Nazis or thousands by KKK according to your logic means right now humanity should be peaceful as we should have learnt from that!
Have we? People are still murdered in wars. Racism is everywhere!
Didn't you read my post? I don't need people massacred for me to know right from wrong. And as I said try saying to the victims' heartbroken families that you'd rather they die so humanity can somehow learn from their deaths when in truth humanity has never learnt to stay away from wars or racism since it began but hey you'd still rather people die right?
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that is not true there are people who do not know English who live in English countries. I mean why would they need to? My Chinese cousins relatives don't speak a word of English and they live in Australia. I know white people who live in Japan and don't speak any Japanese.
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You're repeating stuff without reading my post.
I told you the kind of people who don't speak English in England. The old people or the poverty ridden immigrants. But according to you that's a huge crime so hey lets call them vile racist terms!
You need to read up the definition of racism I think. People are racist because they believe they're superior to the victim's race hence they have to be derogatory. How that even makes it understandable for people to be racist to people who don't know their language is astonishing.
We have a lot of guppies here living in Dubai for YEARS yet don't know Arabic at all but its ok if they're abused right?
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Now I get often asked if I'm an exchange student because I look white in Japan.
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Er calling or getting asked if you're off a different race is vastly different to being ridiculed and abused.
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that is a form of racism no matter how innocent it may be.
You want something better?
How about all the half Japs were put in one class room 7 boys 1 girl (me) and all the pure japanese were put in normal classes.
This was in first grade because apparently even though we have a Japanese parent that doesn't warrant us to be in the same class room as the pure bred Japanese because we are slower.
want something even worse than that?
how about being chased and physically abused by your peers just because you are mixed.
You completely missed my point but thats okay.
From what I gather you think people would miraculously understand what is right and what is wrong without having anybody suffer.
Well dear you are wrong because of history we know what is right and what is wrong. No matter what tragedy people did to each other in the past because of it we have become more tolerant, civil and understanding towards each other.
There will always be people who are racist, sexist or prejudice but really it makes us as a whole stronger and now we stand up for each other. Look at the video responding to "my tram experience" 50/60years back nobody would have stood against that white woman but now people do because they know its not right.
People rally for all kinds of rights, Mardi Gra would be a prime example of how educated we have become. Hate crimes towards people who were homosexual were common 20/30yrs back but now not so much. Why? because we were educated by the past people died because of it and that made us realize this is not right.
Not everybody can be not racist just like not everybody can accept homosexuality or religion but as long as people can stand up for what they think is right and wrong. I think that history has a great amount of impact on our lives.
Even if you don't think so.
I'm not advocating abuse or racism its just if they don't blend in what do they expect? people to open their arms wide and say "hey don't care about our language or culture feel free to live here and work"? although I hear in UK most of the people who are on government support are immigrants so I guess mooch off us would be added. and America it would be green card.
The unknown naturally scares people. Its normal what is not normal now is that people shout abuse or physically harm or even be prejudice.
People standing up for each other shuts the racists up. Just ignoring and watching makes you the same as bad as the racist because you did nothing.
The only reason KKK was stopped is because somebody stopped them. As well as Nazis and the Japanese and Russians and the British.
People stood up to them.
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As a child I had a rudimentary idea of right from wrong without having to hear about horrible stuff.
This doesn’t even make sense.
You’re saying people in today’s world stand upto racism because of PAST experiences right? According to you we see racism and we think ‘‘Hey someone stood up to the racists in 60’s so we should too!’’ yeah?
But this theory is completely flawed, our actions are not made due to previous precedents, if that were the case then racism would never had been stopped i.e. what set precedent did the** first set of people **who stood upto racism followed when noone before them had stood upto racists? How did they know right from wrong then? 
Tell that to yourself buddy, you’re the one saying racism is ‘‘understandable’’
Er I don’t know what UK have you been hearing about but white people being the huge majority in this country are the biggest recipients of benefits.
Oh I agree, what I don’t agree with is the fact that millions of people have to die so I can say to myself ‘‘hey its good they died because the moral is killing’s wrong!’’
Here let me type what I wrote again:
Racism is never understandable or justified. I have been racially abused a lot of times, UK is currently involved in wars killing thousands of Muslims but I will never ever be racist to a white Brit or find it understandable for anyone to do so.
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forgive me if I'm ignorant but since when with Muslim a race?
If you can't understand why people are racist then you are ignorant as those who are racist because those who are racist can't see it from your view and neither can you see it from theres.
You don't have to agree to understand.
Am I making myself clear?
I know I'm not racist because frankly I don't give a damn where somebody comes from or their skin color or whatever.
I'm not prejudiced either because as much as I detest racism I can understand where the person is coming from even though I don't agree to it. Same goes with religion, culture, food and music.
It is understandable doesn't mean its acceptable. You can understand what I'm saying right doesn't mean you accept it.
Its the same logic.
Tell me without history how are we supposed to learn from our mistakes? Without rules/laws that were created before our time how would we function as a society? Without knowing that there are other people out there who suffer more than us how would we know how to be grateful for what we have?
You say you know what is right and what is wrong but how do you know without discipline? You were grown up taught what your parents/society thought is right and wrong. The same way people who are racist were brought up they were taught by their parents and society.
One has to be exposed to know what is right and what is wrong. What you may find right may not be right for the other person and vice versa. Its about perspective.
I may not like how some people treat other people but I sure as hell wouldn't be quiet about it if I found it offensive and neither would you (I'm assuming).
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Not really because racism is on a rise, which means people themselves are using their own minds to be racist influenced by modern media. I know a pathan lad who’s parents are wonderful people, give money to charity yet the guy is completely racist and against everything they stand for
The bold sentence is an entire topic altogether.
As for the rest, the red bit, er I don’t need to hear about murdered people or stories of massacres to know how grateful I am. You say how are we supposed to learn from our mistakes? We could not make them in the first place instead of using your wonderful logic of waiting people to slaughter each other so we could all learn a valuable lesson. When I see poor people yes it makes me grateful for what I have, but unlike you I don’t find the need of poverty or murder or racism in the world just so we can feel all feel cosy and grateful for 2 minutes while someone suffers for a lifetime.
You’re not grasping a simple point here, You’re saying we only learn wrong from right by set precedents before our time. This is completely false! The first person to stand against murder or rape or racism wouldn’t have had ANY precedents of either three crimes before him or her yet they still stood upto it! All we need is a brain.
I remember in Pakistan when I was 11, I had no idea racism existed but I remember hearing that our maid who was Christian was being abused by people whenever she walked our road. I still KNEW it using my own common sense and brain it was wrong even though I was completely ignorant of the word ‘‘racism’’ or any of the events where people stood up against it!
Nice debate btw, you’re a very interesting guy :k: