I still remember the time when Saeed Anwar hadmore centuries than tendulker..That was the time when Desmond Haynes had the most no. of centuries (18 i think) Saeed had 16-17 and tendulkar lesser than that…and now Saeed has 19 and look at tendulkar
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No one from the current Pak. team can break his record i think
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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
*Read my posts, I said only 1985 to 2002, *
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you didn't say "only 1985 to 2002". Didn't you say Here is my ranking of the greatest batsmans of **all time* (1985-2002)* ? Now what does "all time" mean ???
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I wasn't even alive when Gavaskar or Bradman played, I just can't look at the stats and rank them, I only ranked the players I have seen play.
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Have you seen Imran Khan Play ?? Gavaskar(71-87) played in the same Era, Infact King (74/75 - 91) also played during the same period.
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Originally posted by ehsan:
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Asif, i think if you read Umair's list carefully he is listing ODI batsmen and then also from 1985 to 2002, so Bradman cannot come into that list on two accounts:
A) He never played ODI
B) He retired well, well before 1985.
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Is he Ehsan ? didn't he say The greatest **test* and one day batsman of all time is Viv Richrads, without a doubt.* and then Here is my ranking of the greatest batsmans of **all time* (1985-2002)*.
Pray tell me, How am I going to know he is talking about One dayers only ?
AK
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Originally posted by Moonstar201:
** Ganguly .....in top ten
is this the same who is captain of indian team now a days.!!!
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Yes dear he is same Ganguly and here is his record in Onedayers
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 191 185 14 7522 183 43.98 74.02 18 45 67 0
18 Centuriess ????at the rate of 43.98
and here is ur saeed anwar ....
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 230 227 17 8348 194 39.75 81.37 19 41 41 0
19 centuries at 39.75. So if Saeed anwar could be in top 5 why not Ganguly in top 10.
Sirf Is website pe aap ke chillane se kuch nahi hoga....Facts are otherwise....
Go figure it out why is he there in the list???
I give a damn to PWC ratings becouse what it talks about the Highest point of anyones career.So If someone has one great year in his career and he can go into that list.Like Evan Chatfield was there in that list of 10 best bowlers.
To be bEst you need to look at ones full career and not only the point when he was in best of his form.
So PWC ratings of best batsman and bowler are somehow shady.
In my opinion a guy who has PWC point of 800 during most part of his career is better tahn a guy who once went 900+ but then stayed below 700 throughout his career.
[This message has been edited by andha_qanoon (edited May 09, 2002).]
Andhay, I admit Ganguly is a good batsman but as for being in the all time list, I don't think so.
You don't see Viv Richards hold any world records but every one have him as their top player.
Why is that?
Is the style you play in, you have to be a batsman who can play shots that no other batsman can, and Ganguly isn't that impressive, he gets his highs against weak sides.
Saeed's career has been on and off so many times, according to his debut he should have gone to 275 one days.
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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**Andhay, I admit Ganguly is a good batsman but as for being in the all time list, I don't think so.
You don't see Viv Richards hold any world records but every one have him as their top player.
Why is that?
Is the style you play in, you have to be a batsman who can play shots that no other batsman can, and Ganguly isn't that impressive, he gets his highs against weak sides.
Saeed's career has been on and off so many times, according to his debut he should have gone to 275 one days.
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Viv had many records to his name till he was playing.many of them were broken after he retired.So great people do make some records sometimes.
By the way ganguly doesnt have any record.that comparision was only to make you guy realize that u consider Saeed anwar so great just becouse he is paki where as fact is that he is just as good as Ganguly !!!!!
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This topic will be better treated if we respond through our own personal preferences. Statistics are a wonderful tool, but they can be quite deceptive too.
For me, its not merely the number of centuries or runs scored or the batting averages that are the core factor. I will rate batsmen according to what I have seen some of the great batsmen play and how they butchered some of the best bowling attacks of their time. Please remember these are the people whom I have personally seen play so, it has three Pakistani players in top 10. :)
1. Viv Richards: Without doubt he will top my list. When batting, he treated all the bowlers with such sheer disdain that it was always a treat to watch. My most vivid memory is him, with a chewing gum in his mouth he will go forward on a well-pitched delivery from a fast-bowler and from right in front of his toes will hit the ball for a six over mid-wicket. I have rarely seen a batsmen accomplish that feat repeatedly against such great bowlers like Lillee, Imran Khan, Botham, Kapil and Hadlee. I truly trust Haynes, when he says that many of these great fast bowlers actually tried to avoid Richards, and tried not to bowl to him when he is on all engines firing.
2. Zaheer Abbas: Many of you may have never seen him play but trust me. He was ot called "Asian Bradman" for good reason. With effortless ease, this guy will mess up even the best of the bowling attacks. His unusual, high lift standing profile, will aid him to pick the ball quicker then most batsmen (Gower had the same ability in his glory days).
3. Sachin Tendulkar: I have never seen Bradman play (except for the grainy b/w shots shown in some historical tv programs) but if I take the word of the Don himself, he played like Sachin. Picking the ball early and with a great technique, he can hit the ball in all directions. By the time, he retires, I am sure he will break many more records in the game.
4. Saeed Anwar I saw some of his most memorable innings. When he is on a cry, he is the best and the most stylish batsmen there is. He has a full reportoire of shots.
5. Brian Lara: I have hardly seen the guy play a long innings. Unfortunately whenever I have been able to watch any of his matches, he failed. But, I have seen enough glimpses of his awesome fire-power that he makes it into my all-time list. Truly a master of the art of batting. He has rescued West Indies far more times, then most other players in the history. His tough luck is that in his time, the West Indies team is merely a shadow of their former glory.
The list of also-rans in my list will include (in no particular order)
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Good choice bro, thanks for reminding me about Dean Jones, probably the most feared one day batsman after Viv, certainly one of the best, he played a major role in 87 world cup win for Australia.
I would like to add Dean Jones in my top 10, I completely forgot about him.
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Originally posted by andha_qanoon:
** By the way ganguly doesnt have any record.that comparision was only to make you guy realize that u consider Saeed anwar so great just becouse he is paki where as fact is that he is just as good as Ganguly !!!!!
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AQ: I m not baised at all . I m a die hard fan of 10dulkar but ganguly , .. no ways , I fell even dravid or azharuddin better then him , waise it is my own choice , u may have ur own.
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Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.
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They're all great bats really, no need to categorize or number them.
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Originally posted by ammarr:
They're all great bats really, no need to categorize or number them.
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Rite
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Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.
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Saeed Anwar is a Good batsman but not as good as Saurav Ganguly. Also Saeed's avg is better (still less than Saurav's) because of the no. matches he played on the flat pitches of Sharjah. If one compares Saeed's and Saurav's performances abroad (I mean fast pitches of Australia,South Africa etc) one gets the real picture. Here is a detailed comparison. Please decide who has a better record, home or away or any other venue.
There are two ROWS in every category first row is Saurav's record and Second is Saeed's Performance.
Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0
overall 191 185 14 7522 183 153* 144 43.98 18 45 7
230 227 17 8348 194 140 131 39.75 19 41 13
v Australia 20 20 0 466 100 74 72 23.30 1 3 1
25 25 1 604 104* 49 46 25.16 1 0 2
v Bangladesh 4 4 2 226 135* 73* 11 113.00 1 1 0
6 6 1 285 90 73* 64 57.00 0 3 0
v England 10 10 0 360 80 74 46 36.00 0 2 0
10 10 0 459 77 71 61 45.90 0 5 0
v India 0 - - - - - - - - - -
49 47 2 1901 194 140 104 42.24 3 8 2
v Kenya 8 7 0 280 111 66 36 40.00 1 1 0
1 1 0 27 27 - - 27.00 0 0 0
v Netherlands 0 - - - - - - - - - -
1 1 1 83 83* - - - 0 1 0
v New Zealand 20 19 1 930 153* 117 105 51.66 3 6 1
32 32 4 1260 113* 104* 104 45.00 4 7 2
v Pakistan 35 32 3 1255 141 124 96 43.27 2 9 1
0 - - - - - - - - - -
v South Africa 22 22 2 1080 141* 127 105* 54.00 3 6 1
23 23 1 375 42 39 33 17.04 0 0 3
v Scotland 0 - - - - - - - - - -
1 1 0 6 6 - - 6.00 0 0 0
v Sri Lanka 28 27 1 1105 183 130* 113 42.50 4 5 3
49 49 3 2072 126 115 112* 45.04 7 11 3
v U.A.E. 0 - - - - - - - - - -
2 2 1 79 40* 39 - 79.00 0 0 0
v West Indies 15 15 2 578 83 79 70 44.46 0 5 0
17 16 1 534 131 108* 72 35.60 2 2 0
v Zimbabwe 29 29 3 1242 144 139 107* 47.76 3 7 0
14 14 2 663 103* 103 84* 55.25 2 4 1
in Australia 8 8 0 359 141 100 61 44.87 2 1 0
24 24 0 556 126 49 44 23.16 1 0 1
in Bangladesh 10 10 1 482 135* 124 83 53.55 2 2 0
9 9 1 535 140 82 73* 66.87 1 4 0
in Canada 16 14 4 430 96 75* 54* 43.00 0 4 0
18 17 1 619 83 80 74* 38.68 0 5 0
in England 8 8 0 425 183 97 46 53.12 1 1 0
18 18 1 716 113* 103 77 42.11 2 3 0
in India 50 49 4 2151 153* 144 130* 47.80 4 16 2
10 10 0 495 194 95 72 49.50 1 2 1
in Kenya 8 8 1 556 141* 139 117 79.42 3 1 0
6 6 1 384 115 105* 104 76.80 3 0 0
in New Zealand 5 5 0 208 60 60 50 41.60 0 3 1
11 11 1 231 60* 57 48 23.10 0 2 2
in Pakistan 3 3 0 115 89 26 0 38.33 0 1 1
42 40 6 1597 108* 104* 101 46.97 3 8 2
in South Africa 15 14 0 607 127 111 85 43.35 2 2 1
18 18 1 360 59 57 53 21.17 0 3 2
in Sri Lanka 26 24 1 878 113 109 85 38.17 2 6 1
14 14 1 377 90 70* 46 29.00 0 2 3
in Singapore 4 4 0 107 46 32 23 26.75 0 0 0
6 6 0 172 74 32 24 28.66 0 1 0
in U.A.E. 26 26 1 725 105 90 70 29.00 1 5 1
51 51 3 2178 131 112* 111 45.37 7 11 1
in West Indies 3 3 1 122 79 39* 4 61.00 0 1 0
0 - - - - - - - - - -
in Zimbabwe 9 9 1 357 107* 85 62 44.62 1 2 0
3 3 1 128 103* 25 0 64.00 1 0 1
in Africa 32 31 2 1520 141* 139 127 52.41 6 5 1
27 27 3 872 115 105* 104 36.33 4 3 3
in Americas 19 17 5 552 96 79 75* 46.00 0 5 0
18 17 1 619 83 80 74* 38.68 0 5 0
in Asia 119 116 7 4458 153* 144 135* 40.89 9 30 5
132 130 11 5354 194 140 131 44.99 12 28 7
in Europe 8 8 0 425 183 97 46 53.12 1 1 0
18 18 1 716 113* 103 77 42.11 2 3 0
in Oceania 13 13 0 567 141 100 61 43.61 2 4 1
35 35 1 787 126 60* 57 23.14 1 2 3
home 50 49 4 2151 153* 144 130* 47.80 4 16 2
42 40 6 1597 108* 104* 101 46.97 3 8 2
away 50 50 3 2127 135* 127 113 45.25 6 12 4
63 63 5 1753 194 103* 95 30.22 2 9 9
neutral 91 86 7 3244 183 141* 141 41.06 8 17 1
125 124 6 4998 140 131 126 42.35 14 24 2
Enjoy
AK
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Asif,
Two questions:
First, What is neutral, I thought you either play at home or away.
Secondly, you might not like Sharjah, partly I presume because of your country's record there against Pakistan, but if they are flat pitches in Sharjah and Saeed Anwar scores his runs there, what is to stop your players taking advantage of a flat pitch and doing the same?
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Originally posted by ehsan:
First, What is neutral, I thought you either play at home or away.
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Ehsan - there are two categories of neutral venues
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but if they are flat pitches in Sharjah and Saeed Anwar scores his runs there, what is to stop your players taking advantage of a flat pitch and doing the same?
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Well, Did I ever say that our players have not scored a century there ? for example Sachin has 7 (in the 42 matches he played there, Ganguly has 1, Sidhu 2, Azhar 1 and so on). My point was Saeed has scored just 1 century in Australia, 0 in SA, SL, WI and his away avg is mere 30. more than one third of his centuries have come at a single venue.
AK
GAnguly better than Saeed.
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That was a good one, have you ever considered late night talk show host.
AK
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[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited May 10, 2002).]
What do you do all day man, just look at the stats book and see if there is any flaw in our players?
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