Re: BREXIT polls: where does Pakistani community stand?
My extended family in the UK voted to stay but some of friends (highly educated / professionals) voted to leave. Not sure about either's reason, dont know UK whole lot but one reason for Indo Pak immigrants to vote to leave can be that Eastern European laborers took a lot from them.
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I can imagine the fear among brits right now and in particular immigrants. There is so much uncertainty prevailing. Most of the investors are pulling their money out. Economy, Job market, social conditions, all up in the air.
I believe entire world is worried about this situation. And the only person happy atm is Mr. Donald Trump. Its like first step in his ladder towards white house. He'll be back with the new chant of "see, thats what we need to do too to stop immigration"
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What makes you think that your new reformed "pseudo" islam would have an effect on wahabis? Before secularism, which has to happen at state level at least in a minimal separate of church and state, european priests and scholars fought back the other christianity with their own views. The other "reform" you are proposing by probably deleting quran is what would probably happen before qiyamat so you might get your wish.
No need to delete quran, just stop taking every word of it so literally. Give full context when teaching violent passages of Quran or Hadith to children and make sure they understand those passages do not define morals. Teach those insidious parts of Quran and Hadith as literature and not something to be admired and followed.
Re: BREXIT polls: where does Pakistani community stand?
I can imagine the fear among brits right now and in particular immigrants. There is so much uncertainty prevailing. Most of the investors are pulling their money out. Economy, Job market, social conditions, all up in the air.
I believe entire world is worried about this situation. And the only person happy atm is Mr. Donald Trump. Its like first step in his ladder towards white house. He'll be back with the new chant of "see, thats what we need to do too to stop immigration"
Exactly! All you have to do is look at what people are saying on the internet.
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Its just ironic how countries storming other states and forcefully ruling them are now crying over immigrants.
Now can UK break as well? Ofcourse not now but in the long run. Ireland can make its own run and so as others.
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Interestingly there were quite a few British Asians, including many British Pakistanis, voted to leave. This includes a few British Pakistani MPs. This BBC asian interview has many such people. BBC Asian Network - Nihal, 24/06/2016 Many said criteria is much harder for British Asians wanting to bring family from subcontinent then someone bringing family from EU. I am sure there many xenophobic people who also voted but it seems many south asians also voted for fairer migration.
The Muslims for Britain leaflet talked about fairer migration and why is it harder for a qualified doctor or software engineer from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, or the Middle East to come to Britain than it is for an unskilled worker from Poland or Romania. Vote Leave woos British Asians with migration leaflets - FT.com
“When my Pakistani newspaper man, who has spent the last 40 years of his life getting up at 5am, has a problem getting in his mother for a family wedding, but finds a Bulgarian taxi driver can claim child benefit for children who are not even here, it’s very easy to say, this is racism, but they cannot understand why the bias is to a particular place in the world which they find it difficult to have an allegiance to.”
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I think Scotland may break away. Maybe Ireland as well. At the same time neither North America or Australasia are part of a union so I can understand when UK says it wants to be its own sovereign nation and make it’s own laws. How would NZ like to be influenced by Australia or Canada by US?
The Leave team said they wanted to implement Australia based immigration laws based on skills rather than location. I think this would benefit people from commonwealth countries and non EU countries especially skilled migrants from Pakistan and India. Right now it is unfairly tilted towards citizens of EU countries.
Vote Leave vows to introduce Australian-style immigration system in Brexit blueprint
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I think lot of bigots voted to leave but so did many British Pakistanis. A lot of areas with high percentage of British Asians including Pakistanis voted to leave EU overall. Actually this won’t affect immigration overall. They have said they will introduce a skills based immigration policy which won’t discriminate against commonwealth countries compared to EU. I don’t think EU citizens will be banned like Trump is wanting to discriminate against groups of people.
A similar policy which is in place in Australia favours skilled migrants. Vote Leave vows to introduce Australian-style immigration system in Brexit blueprint
Some people in the Remain in EU team suggested the Australian point system could increase immigration levels and used this to scare some people.
But Britain Stronger in Europe – the official Vote Leave opposition group – dismissed the proposal, saying it “will not work” and pointed to Australia’s migration levels. “Vote Leave’s proposal could put up immigration and it would wreck our economy, as it involves leaving Europe’s single market,” said Will Straw, executive director of Britain Stronger in Europe.
“Australia, who have a points based immigration system, have twice as many migrants per head as the UK,” he added. “Economic experts are agreed that leaving the Single Market would lead to recession - costing jobs and raising prices.”
Trump is xenophophobic and discriminatory. He will use this to inflame people’s opinions but I don’t see how he can.
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When would be the right time then? I get what you are saying but look at how the world is looking at this supposed victory. Just go to youtube and see the insane comments and conclusions people have drawn from this event. People seem to think the UK will now be able to handle immigration (muslims) in ways that the EU didn't allow. Immigrants were somewhat protected under EU laws but that's not the case anymore. Conservatives around the world are celebrating and I am quite sure other European countries will be voting to leave EU too so they can deal with their immigration problem without EU interfering. That's dangerous for all immigrants but it will be a lot worse for muslim immigrants.
Start a new thread then. You have access to the entirety of the forum. If you really want to discuss and bring up religious reform then please, do so. But bringing attention to a topic that is near and dear to your heart by hijacking a thread that isn't remotely related to it isn't the way to about it.
The Brits don't have as much of a huge problem with Muslims as you make it out to be. What they don't like are the Polish migrants that come and clean their toilets. The Romanian workers that come and work on their roads. The Syrian refugee that comes to start a kebab shop where they get their take away. As for the other states that want to leave UK, Scotland and Ireland, who voted in, don't have as much as a huge problem with immigrants, regardless of what religion they belong to, want to join the EU, because they think their their brains, and not their guts. They know that leaving the EU doesn't benefit them. Just take a look at the poll results, which I asked you to do so before. The ones that opted to stay in are younger, higher educated voters. So which side are you trying to join forces with then? The uneducated, baby boomers?
And even if the UK does leave the EU, and then decides to stay in the single market it won't make a huge difference because they will still be in the EEA, which still allows free travel between the countries. It's ironic how much you make it out to be such a huge deal about the Muslims migrants because unfortunately a bunch of the same people did vote out. Self hatred much, or complete delusion about things?
I understand that you want to keep bringing in religious reform because that's what you understand, but like I said, not the time or place. It's not as simple as you think it is. You're just falling for the same traps and fear mongering that the simple minded folks fell for.
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Start a new thread then. You have access to the entirety of the forum. If you really want to discuss and bring up religious reform then please, do so. But bringing attention to a topic that is near and dear to your heart by hijacking a thread that isn't remotely related to it isn't the way to about it.
Even though this is happening across the globe, this does have an impact on Pakistani community living in Europe and US. My response was US-centric because I am from the US. Unfortunately, events like BREXIT further polarize US politics and it plays in favor of those against Muslims living in the US.
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The Brits don't have as much of a huge problem with Muslims as you make it out to be. What they don't like are the Polish migrants that come and clean their toilets. The Romanian workers that come and work on their roads. The Syrian refugee that comes to start a kebab shop where they get their take away. As for the other states that want to leave UK, Scotland and Ireland, who voted in, don't have as much as a huge problem with immigrants, regardless of what religion they belong to, want to join the EU, because they think their their brains, and not their guts. They know that leaving the EU doesn't benefit them. Just take a look at the poll results, which I asked you to do so before. The ones that opted to stay in are younger, higher educated voters. So which side are you trying to join forces with then? The uneducated, baby boomers?
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Never said Brits having more issues with Muslim immigrants. I am simply looking at this issue from an American point of view.
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And even if the UK does leave the EU, and then decides to stay in the single market it won't make a huge difference because they will still be in the EEA, which still allows free travel between the countries. It's ironic how much you make it out to be such a huge deal about the Muslims migrants because unfortunately a bunch of the same people did vote out. Self hatred much, or complete delusion about things?
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Ok, I am not sure what you understood from my post but clearly you are upset. Muslim immigration is a very polarizing issue in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. You can stay in your little bubble if you want but go out there and hear what people are saying. Sooner or later it will affect you! They are calling your religion barbaric, backwards, and the devil himself. What do you say? Nope, no time or space to talk about it and when a random person radicalizes, we are like a deer caught in the headlights. When will people realize that among all the problems like mental illness, gun control, immigration, a small part of the problem exists with our own attitude towards religion. People who are against Muslim migrants use the very justification muslims and scholars provide to paint a picture of a group of people who are evil and immoral. Do we just agree to things because they are part of our religion or do we actually think about things? Over 90% of muslims support Sharia Law, that's what they say. I don't believe it but the numbers are that way because Muslims feel it's their duty to support sharia law. Over 90% muslims believe homosexuality is immoral, that's what they say. They use these statistics against muslims to make them the bad guys, enemy of the modern and progressive world. Do muslims really think about those things before they say they support these things? It's these surveys that are being played against them over and over again. Why are we so damn afraid to say when something doesn't feel right!!! If the sound of sharia law doesn't sound right then say so!!! If it feels bad to demonize gays, then say so!!!! These statistics are true and the world is looking at us as people who can't live in the modern world. They think we have hidden agendas even if most of us aren't terrorists because of these statistics. The fact we support sharia law in such large numbers makes them suspicious of our intentions. Have you thought about things from others perspective before calling me self-hating and delusional person?
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I understand that you want to keep bringing in religious reform because that's what you understand, but like I said, not the time or place. It's not as simple as you think it is. You're just falling for the same traps and fear mongering that the simple minded folks fell for.
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Keep telling yourself that.
Re: BREXIT polls: where does Pakistani community stand?
^ That was more of a rant. Now, I have truly hijacked the thread. I just don't understand our people. We are not evil then why do we justify things that are! just because they happen to be part of our religion? I am sick and tired of our communities feeling targeted for xenophobia and islamophobia but at the same we are not willing to make a small change in our own attitude, admit there are issues in our own religious texts just like Bible and Torah do. I am confused. On one hand, we despise ISIS and what they are doing but on the other hand we justify the violent verses of Quran and hadith because if we don't, we ain't good Muslims. Don't justify it if it feels wrong otherwise you become part of the problem we are facing today as a muslim nation. Your relationship with Allah won't be tarnished. I promise.
GOD DAMN! I am annoyed.
Thread is all your.
Peace.
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Its interesting how older people in general have favored the “leave” option while younger preferred to stay.
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LOL, now this is hilarious
**The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it
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Scotland will leave. Nicola Sturgeon has already called for a second referendum; if the parliament agrees, it'll go ahead. Scotland most probably will vote in favour of independence this time. I'm angry and upset. Many people I know in the UK voted remain, but now they feel that they've been cheated. It is funny how big cities like London, Leeds, Manchester etc voted for remain, but it is all the rural belt, and the small towns that were reliant on EU aid that voted against them. Even Cornwall. Irony is, Cornwall is now asking assurance from the government that the aid that they were getting from the EU, will still be given to them by the government. What a farce. This is the true beauty of democracy and freedom of speech. Dimwits with no knowledge of the actual ramifications of their decisions, will get a say in what's going to happen to the countries and the union in the future. Ironically immigrant centric cities like Luton, Bradford, Birmingham and a lot of Upper Midlands voted leave.
I feel so angry that people who are second or third generation British Asian also voted out leave. I asked few why and they didn't even have a solid answer why? One girl is now regretting her decision to vote leave and get her family to do the same. This is what happens when stupid people are given a voice and some power. They always abuse it. Good luck to the United Kingdom, from United Kingdom to Little Britain.
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i hope the world gets a clue and moves its banking services out of london. no real reason for it to be there except historical precedence. time to let the british economy be seen for the sham it really is without all the funneling and skimming of the rest of the world's money in funky ways. goodbye UK, @#$% you.
Seriously this post influenced the limit order on Barclay's that I placed today. Asked for an aggressive price at 7.2 based on this post.
Now if I miss the stock, I know who to blame.
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So now that the vote(s) in. What happens next?
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Good one, Mr. President!
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The Brits Said “eeew” 
to EU
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^ That was more of a rant. Now, I have truly hijacked the thread. I just don't understand our people. We are not evil then why do we justify things that are! just because they happen to be part of our religion? I am sick and tired of our communities feeling targeted for xenophobia and islamophobia but at the same we are not willing to make a small change in our own attitude, admit there are issues in our own religious texts just like Bible and Torah do. I am confused. On one hand, we despise ISIS and what they are doing but on the other hand we justify the violent verses of Quran and hadith because if we don't, we ain't good Muslims. Don't justify it if it feels wrong otherwise you become part of the problem we are facing today as a muslim nation. Your relationship with Allah won't be tarnished. I promise.
GOD DAMN! I am annoyed.
Thread is all your.
Peace.
we don't!!
Just the way how hard it is for us to accept problem with islam or its accepted practices.
You too need to find problem with the way you twist thing to keep on coming to same conclusions.
It takes a brave person to think honestly. Its not for every one.
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we don't!! Just the way how hard it is for us to accept problem with islam or its accepted practices. You too need to find problem with the way you twist thing to keep on coming to same conclusions. It takes a brave person to think honestly. Its not for every one.
Oh but you do... maybe I should point out every time that happens. It happens everyday online and offline. I too could tell you to be brave enough to think honestly. The statistics speak for all Muslims and it doesn't paint a good picture of our people. We should do something about it. Stop supporting things that are incompatible with modern world. We understand morals better now than we did before. It will take a lot of courage to condemn things that we have spent centuries justifying. Don't just condemn terrorism, condemn its source too. Unfortunately, a small part of it does have everything to do with how religion is being taught. I am not saying that but the entire world is. There are no clear fatwas condemning certain verses of quran and hadith. We spend too much justifying than condemning parts of Islam that really are immoral by today''s standards. No wonder ISIS and others find justification in Islam for their acts.
