Breastfeeding in public

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lol… just because I haven’t gotten tired of responding doesn’t mean that I’m the only supporter… not really sure why you are painting me as the bad/odd one here.

As I said, it’s their choice. Breastfeeding is natural. You can do it as long as you want wherever you want.

I’m terrible at googling statistics and I agree that not many people breastfeed in public, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen. I mean just recently there was an incident between a Caucasian American and an African American breastfeeding in public at a university graduation. The responses to the individuals were vastly different, though.

For me personally, it’s not a problem. I won’t watch them nor will I stop them or tell them to go somewhere else.

I don’t know what I will do in the future, but I’m grateful that the law and society in my country makes sure that the women who choose to breastfeed without a cover are protected.

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I wish I had your luck. :bummer:

  1. You are right. Hijabis do not stop wearing hijab just b/c others are uncomfortable. They don’t get shamed into taking off their hijab if they’re wearing it for the right reasons.

  2. Which leads up here…if a woman doesn’t care the others are staring at her exposed skin…then how is she shamed? All of us know that as long as this is legal, there’s nothing really we can do to stop a woman from doing so. All we can do is look and judge. But like you said, many of these women don’t feel any shame in exposing themselves in public for this so why are they ashamed if others stare and judge? Why isn’t their persona conviction that this is the “right thing” to do strong enough to withstand judgement from strangers?

I’m not sure why is so hard for you to understand that others are free to choose also. Its not only the proud mother with the choice. Why is it so hard to understand the every action has consequences. And if a woman wants to breastfeed openly in public…then she should be ready to deal with the consequences of that too…part of which could be people staring and judging.

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Okay yes, I agree, it’s better to keep family out. But the fact that you found the hypothetical question to be an unsavory one is very telling of your personal stance on the matter.

As a guy, you know how other men think. So taking religion out of the equation, do you think nature alone would be a sufficient reason for women to cover? Gosh, I don’t know how to articulate the question so that it still reads in a decent way. I wish Kakee could hear the male perspective so she can maybe understand why it’s better to cover. But maybe I’m pushing my luck cuz I think it’ll result in her retorting with comments like “Not every guy is like that”…“It’s the fault of the guy and his upbringing”…“guy should be taught not to think in a certain way”…etc etc.

I will be very uncomfortable. I may walk away, just to respect her privacy. Though I will be bothered with the thought that she did not respect the fact that her behavior could make others uncomfortable.

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Because it’s not right to make the other person uncomfortable when it’s perfectly natural. They aren’t there putting on a show. They are just feeding their baby.

Something I pulled from a website

1. It actually is hard to cover up and feed a baby at the same time. Especially when you’re a new mom, and you’re trying to wrangle a squishy baby into a comfortable position where they can latch on correctly. Even with my third baby, keeping a cover over my shoulder while latching on wasn’t easy. And really, the only time one would “need” to cover up due to possible nipple exposure (if that’s the reason you think moms should cover up) is during the latch-on. And balancing a blanket on your shoulder while trying to see what you’re doing to get the baby latched is a big pain in the butt. Truly.
**2. Some babies hate being covered. **Most of the time, my babies would try to pull the cover off. I wouldn’t want to eat with a blanket over my head, would you? Especially when it’s hot. Ugh, it makes me claustrophobic just thinking about it.
3. One of the benefits of breastfeeding is the eye contact between mom and baby. The location of the breast is designed to put the baby within the vision range of mom’s face. Yes, you can have the same eye contact when you’re bottle feeding, which begs the question – would you cover up your baby’s face while cradling and bottle feeding, rather than looking at your baby and smiling at him/her at regular intervals? That would be silly.
**4. When I was nursing, I actually felt like using a cover drew more attention to what I was doing. **Uncovered, most of the time, it just looked like I had a baby cradled in my arms, sleeping. No breast could be seen once baby was latched. Nothing screams, “Hey, I’m breastfeeding over here!” like a draping a blanket over your shoulder while awkwardly trying to get your baby into a comfortable breastfeeding position.
**5. Covering up implies that there’s something inappropriate about feeding a baby. **There’s not. It’s feeding a baby. That’s it.
“I breastfed all my babies, but I never did it in public. Why don’t women just pump if they’re going out?”
That’s great that you breastfed all your babies. That’s also great if you were able to pump and that your baby took a bottle. Not all moms can pump successfully. Not all babies will take a bottle. After working at it for a while, I could pump, but my babies never took a bottle. That wasn’t for lack of trying – they just wouldn’t. I’m sure if their lives depended on it, and if I wasn’t around for a long time, they would eventually take one, but having a baby is hard enough. I wasn’t about to go through that much unnecessary effort so that I could bottle feed in public.
I’ve known some women who couldn’t get anything from pumping. Some women can’t relax enough with a machine hooked up to their body to get a letdown. Totally understandable.
But the real answer to this question is, they shouldn’t have to. Think about what you’re suggesting: that a mother skip a feeding to pump, or pump regularly enough to have the extra milk to pump outside of a feeding, then find a way to keep the milk cold in transport, then find a way to warm up the milk once she is where she’s going, then feed the baby with the bottled milk, then deal with the leakage or discomfort of the full breasts she has from feeding with the bottle instead of the breast for that feeding, and then wash and sterilize the bottle afterward–all instead of just taking her baby with her and feeding the ready-to-go milk she has on hand in her own body?
Doesn’t that seem a little ridiculous?
Most women who successfully pump have a system and a routine for it, and usually it’s because they’re away from their babies for a certain amount of time on a regular basis. More power to them. I’ve known lot of working, pumping moms, and I think they’re amazing.
But the idea of pumping just to go out in public with your baby, when your breasts are right there with you, is goofy to me. How long have breast pumps been around? How long have humans been feeding babies? When did we get to the mindset that feeding babies in public is better done with machinery and accessories than with mom?
“I don’t mind if moms breastfeed in public, as long as they do it modestly. Especially if there are kids or teens around.”
That’s great that you don’t mind if moms breastfeed in public. But let’s discuss the modesty idea. I hope you have the same feelings about modesty when you see a woman in a bathing suit, or a low-cut top, because 99% of the time, that’s all you can see of a woman’s breast when she breastfeeds.
Granted, there might be a couple of seconds of nipple showing. If you really don’t want to see that, pay close attention to moms with babies. Here are the cues that a mom is getting ready to breastfeed:
**1. She starts to lift her shirt or adjust her bra. **There you go. As soon as you see that starting to happen, look away. If you’re really concerned about your children seeing a woman breastfeeding, take that cue to show them something in the other direction.
But really, if kids are going to have any exposure to breasts (and they already have, if you have ever taken them to the grocery store and waited at the checkout stand where they keep the magazines), isn’t that the kind of exposure they should have? Don’t you want your children to see what breasts are primarily for? They’re getting plenty of messages on billboards, television, and other media that breasts are sexual. Seeing them used in a decidedly and awesomely unsexual way can only be good, in my opinion.

“Can’t you just go to the bathroom to breastfeed?”
1. Bathrooms are gross. Would you want to eat in there?
2. Many bathrooms don’t have a chair to sit in. This leaves Mom with the option of sitting on the floor (yuck) or on the toilet (double yuck).
3. If a mom wants privacy to nurse because she feels more comfortable that way, that’s great. I’m a big fan of having lounge areas for nursing moms. But it should be for her comfort, not for yours. When I was nursing, I occasionally removed myself to nurse because it was too loud or I wanted a little space, but the times I removed myself because of my worries about other people, I felt exiled. When a mom feels that she needs to hide to breastfeed, the message is that there’s something shameful or wrong with what she’s doing. And that’s not right.
Along with the presumably well-meaning comments, I’ve also seen a few more, ahem, “strongly-worded” sentiments I’d like to address:
“Breastfeeding is totally natural, but so is going to the bathroom / having sex, and people don’t do that in public.”
Going to the bathroom is gross, stinky, and unsanitary to do in public, which is why we don’t do it. Feeding a baby is none of those things. Sex is an incredibly private, intimate act. Feeding a baby can be intimate in that it’s a bonding experience between baby and mom, but it’s more of a holding hands kind of intimacy–not something that needs to be confined to the privacy of a bedroom or home. The comparisons are apples and oranges.
“If you want to breastfeed, that’s fine, but I don’t want to / shouldn’t have to see it.”
Then don’t look. And I don’t mean that in a snarky way. You really don’t have to watch a mom breastfeed. (See cues in third question above.) Just look the other way and move on.
“Women who breastfeed in public are just trying to get attention / make a statement.”
Actually, 99% of women who feed their babies in public are just trying to feed their babies. Having been around hundreds of women who breastfeed, including dozens at a recent La Leche League conference, I can attest to the fact that most women are very matter-of-fact about feeding their babies.
I’ve known one mom who exposed much more breast for much longer than any other moms I’ve known, but she was raised in Africa, so that explains it. I’ve known of one other mom (don’t know her personally) who sounds like she has some exhibition issues and takes the opportunity to show more breast than necessary any old time she can. That’s by far an exception, and not the norm. Most breastfeeding mothers don’t “let it all hang out.” They do what they need to do to feed their babies, no more, no less.
“This isn’t a village in Africa. It’s culturally inappropriate to bare your breasts in public here.”
I’m curious about what this says about villages in Africa, or other places where breasts are common sights. Why is it culturally inappropriate here? I don’t necessarily think it should be, I just want to walk through the reasoning for our cultural views of breasts. Is it because our society views breasts as primarily sexual in nature? Are African breasts not sexual in nature as well? Would you shield your eyes from a National Geographic magazine showing bare-breasted women in Africa? Would you hide that from your children? If so, why? Are African women inappropriate? Is there some kind of fear that if we start accepting breastfeeding in public without freaking out about covering up, women will eventually start walking around bare-breasted all the time? Lots of questions pop up from this statement that are worth examining.

I personally think it should be culturally appropriate for women to bare a breast for a brief second in order to latch a baby on, no matter where in the world they are. There’s nothing sexual or inappropriate in that act. I think it should be way more culturally appropriate than, say, going to Hooters. Our priorities are a tad bit skewed when it comes to what’s culturally appropriate regarding breasts. If we want to get all righteous about the appropriateness of breast exposure, let’s direct our energies at movies, music videos, billboards, magazines, and other popular media. Leave moms who are trying to feed their babies out of it.
And if you really don’t want to see a woman feed her baby in public, don’t look. Don’t make her feel ashamed, don’t exile her to the bathroom, don’t make erroneous assumptions about her motives, don’t compare feeding her baby to defecating, don’t make hypocritical cultural statements, don’t make it harder to do than it already is. Just don’t look. It really is that simple.

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Yep…that is exactly what my dad (father of 3 daughters) did when we were waiting at a busy airport gate for our plane and a woman sitting across from us did it.

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Ahhhh those pesky websites! For every bolded point taken from these “websites” I, or any of the other multitudes of moms here who have **actual experience in breastfeeding **(unlike some people who love to become the authority on subjects they know nothing about) can refute and provide a rebuttal. See how that works?

Now who is judging?

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But see, this is a Pakistani forum where there isn’t a wide range of views or opinions. I could be a breastfeeding mother in 9 months time… just so I can prove my point, but I shouldn’t have to because what I posted above is exactly the meaning I was trying to convey which was much more eloquent than me :stuck_out_tongue:

I could also drag in a mother who doesn’t cover up, but what’s the point?

Covering Up To Breastfeed
Stand and Deliver: The problem with nursing covers

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I’m not Pakistani.

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okay…? neither am I…???
This is a Pakistani forum…?

What???
Did you even read my posts? The one about the lady breastfeeding in public?

I’ll speak real slow here…you don’t have to be Pakistani or Muslim to have a modest outlook on exposing your breasts while nursing in public. GS being a Pakistan so forum is not the reason you’re getting the backlash that you are. For every 10 random articles you pull from Google, I can match it with 20 more which show women who a) prefer discretion and privacy b) have babies that are not bothered my covers c) have no problems getting clean and private accommodations at restaurants, malls, stores etc when they need to nurse

The article you posted may be someone else’s truth and experience but it certainly wasn’t mine, why you find it so hard to believe and concede that opinions and experiences that differ from your own are still valid is beyond me

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You will have to read slowly next time because I specifically said this was a Pakistani forum which it is. I did not say that the people in here are all Pakistani or Muslim because they are not. So, next time you want to be rude please do me a favour and don’t.

You still don’t get it. I’m talking about choice here. I’m not saying that one should not cover up and expose themselves. If they want to they can. Similarly if they don’t want to they can too. The whole article was about how it worked for her and covering up worked for you.

So, that’s good for you, but who are you to judge someone for not covering? If you don’t like it you can just simply look away. I don’t agree with people passing judgement on this issue.

and that’s it. I’ve said everything I wanted to say.

Mind you, I’m not the only one who’s supporting breastfeeding in public. Even very conservative people don’t care about it… so, why are you making it as if I’m the only one? Just because I’m the only one who bothers responding to all of you.

..said the president of my local plumbers association, when I complained about Joe showing too much of butt crack while working under my kitchen sink :frowning:

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I doubt that the laws in most nations would condone attacking a woman for breastfeeding.

I have some questions, Kakee:

  1. Let’s say that you have a baby. Would you automatically assume your baby would be uncomfortable with a nursing cover? Or would you FIRST check to see how your baby will respond to a nursing cover before deciding that it’s “pointless” or “unnecessary” to use a cover?

  2. IF your baby IS comfortable with a nursing cover, would you prefer to use a cover in public or no?

  3. How would your partner feel about “uncovered” public breastfeeding? If he is not on board with it, maybe you should ask him why that is.

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Just been reading up on this and apparently it isn’t considered wrong to breastfeed in this way in many parts of the ME.. You mentioned this was in a hospital so I doubt she would have been allowed to do it anyway if it wasn’t socially/culturally acceptable..

Modesty and Breastfeeding

                             Observant Muslim women                                 [dress modestly](http://islam.about.com/od/dress/p/clothing.htm)                                  in public, and when nursing generally try to maintain this modesty  with clothing, blankets or scarves which cover the chest. However, in  private or amongst other women, it may seem strange to some people that  Muslim women generally nurse their babies openly. Nursing a child is  considered a natural part of mothering and is not viewed as an obscene  or sexual act in the slightest.                                

Source: Breastfeeding in Islam - Breastfeeding in the Quran

“Muslim” there seems to refer to Arab women, I’ve seen quite a few posts in other forums with comments similar to your post, Sasha.. I think they reason that uncovering your breast is an exception to the rules on awra as it doesn’t hold any sexual meaning to them.. Whether or not we agree it’s interesting to note the different attitudes to towards it..

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sighs I’m going to regret this.

You would be surprised how many new laws have been introduced to protect women, especially mothers.

  1. Nursing covers are not for the comfort of the child. If mothers want to use them sure. If I want to use them why not, but if I don’t want to then I won’t. either way my baby couldn’t care less because it just wants to be fed by me.

  2. ??? People who use nursing covers don’t do it for their babies. If I want a nursing cover I will get one. If I don’t I won’t. It’s my choice lol.

  3. lol… when my partner can grow a child for 9 months and pop it out and suddenly lactate then he can be comfortable or uncomfortable with his own body. Ultimately it’s my choice and my partner will support me.

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I don’t use any nursing covers, I just have uppers with flaps and receiving blankets, they work like a charm for me. I am not hot, the baby is not hot or uncomfortable. I have breastfeed at mall, macD, park, doctors clinic, target, etc and never had to expose anything for people around me.
I know plenty of Desi and non Desi who have breastfeed in public without exposing their breast to public.
PS. Yes, I went through 9 months of pregnancy, labor process, etc etc, however, I have lot of respect for him and I try my best to avoid things that he would not be comfortable with.

Just my 2cents.

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Kakee, I don’t have kids. But I can tell you with certainty that I will use some sort of cover in a public setting. Now my question to you (AGAIN) is do you prefer to use some sort of cover or no? And don’t tell me the same old ghissi pitti response “It’s my choice. if I want to, I will. If I don’t want to, I won’t.” Yes or no? Do you…at this point in time…lean toward using some sort of cover or no? I also don’t wanna hear a lame, “Well I’d cover because of people like you.” It’s a simple yes or no question. Not rocket science. People still have a preference prior to actually having the experience. And so what is your current preference?

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I agree with you.

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I wouldn’t cover, but I haven’t really done much research. I don’t have that much fat so I don’t know how it’ll work out, but I know that I don’t really like excess stuff on me. So, personally I wouldn’t cover. I don’t have problems with women who do cover however.

How you talk to me is very disrespectful, but I still respond to your invasive questioning.