Some desi friends of my mother (who happen to be Shia), came over to our house today. We were chitchatting about the usual desi stuff, when someone brought up the subject of Ramadan and the time difference for the breaking of the fast for the Sunnis and the Shias.
[By the way, we’re Sunni]
So the aunty, who is Shia, started lecturing my sister and I about how breaking the fast at the exact time as the sunset is wrong. She says that we Sunnis are ‘wrong’for breaking the fast and then praying for Maghrib, because according to her “it clearly states in the Qu’ran that the fast should be broken when the sun has completely set and there is not even a little bit of redness from the sun in the sky.” I asked my mother and a couple of other people and they don’t recall reading that in the Qu’ran.
The aunty also said that we should pray for Maghrib first and then break the fast.
Can someone please tell me who is right? And if possible give links or evidence from the Qu’ran if there are any such statements.
what the heck? It was late and i was sleepy. all i meant to say that she is wrong and just don’t listen to her. People say all kinds of stuff, they even try to give proves but that’s just crap. Just don’t believe everything you hear.
[2:187]........... and eat and drink until the whiteness of the day becomes distinct from the blackness of the night at dawn, then complete the fast till night, and have not contact with them while you keep to the mosques; these are the limits of Allah, so do not go near them. Thus does Allah make clear His communications for men that they may guard (against evil).
[79:27] Are you the harder to create or the heaven? He made it.
[79:28] He raised high its height, then put it into a right good state.
[79:29] And He made dark its night and brought out its light.
what the heck? It was late and i was sleepy. all i meant to say that she is wrong and just don't listen to her. People say all kinds of stuff, they even try to give proves but that's just crap. Just don't believe everything you hear.
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she asked a good question..but you had to show ur stupidity..she wanted evidence from Quran but you came up with the answer that she is talking crap..good going
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She says that we Sunnis are ‘wrong’for breaking the fast and then praying for Maghrib, because according to her "it clearly states in the Qu'ran that the fast should be broken when the sun has completely set and there is not even a little bit of redness from the sun in the sky.
Thanx
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she asked a good question..but you had to show ur stupidity..she wanted evidence from Quran but you came up with the answer that she is talking crap..good going
sheraz ct,
read the whole thing again, then reply! Idiot!
she asked a good question..but you had to show ur stupidity..she wanted evidence from Quran but you came up with the answer that she is talking crap..good going
sheraz ct,
read the whole thing again, then reply! Idiot!
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read the whole thing ignorant fool..specially at the end where she wrote "Can someone please tell me who is right? And if possible give links or evidence from the Qu'ran if there are any such statements. "
She says that we Sunnis are ‘wrong’for breaking the fast and then praying for Maghrib, because according to her "it clearly states in the Qu'ran that the fast should be broken when the sun has completely set and there is not even a little bit of redness from the sun in the sky."
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Your aunty friend was probably offering her interpretation of what she understands to be the meaning of "night" in the verse: "... then complete your fast till the night." (2:187). However, her understanding overlooks the fact that it need not be absolutely dark or that all traces of day must have disappeared for night to be called night. Allah in the Qur'an describes a merging, transitional process between the period when day ends and night commences. In any such merging process there will necessarily be a blending of the two states, in this case, a blending of day and night. Consequently, night will for a time have traces of day in it (i.e. remnants of light).
Qur'an: "Thou makest the night to pass into the day and Thou makest the day to pass into the night." (3:27). See also 39:5.
This merging process and its relevance to the person who is fasting is referred to by the Prophet (s) when he said:
"When the night approaches from this side and the day retreats from that side and the sun sets, then it is time for a fasting person to break his fast.'' (Bukhari & Muslim)
Hadith about hastening to break the fast include:
"The people will not cease to be on good as long as they hasten in breaking the fast." (Bukhari & Muslim)
"My nation will not cease to be upon my Sunnah as long as they do not await the stars when breaking the fast." (Sahih ibn Hibban)
Good topic question. My family is Sunni and we tend to break our fast on time, within a minute or two of sunset, and then read namaz afterwards. Don't know if the Shia aunti you refer to has any basis in her preaching of what you should and shouldn't break your fast and when namaz should be read. Would be interesting to know though what the Koran and/or the Hadiths have to say on this issue.
I'm a shia... we're supposed to break fast usually 8-10 minutes after the other sects because we believe it should be done after the sun sets. And in Shiites breaking ur fast right at that moment is not necessary and if u don't do it, it won't make ur roza makrooh. So some people, pray first and then break fast, or eat a date, pray and then eat...
I on the other hand tend to be liberal, breaking my fast according to the situation, if I'm too hungry I tend to become a Sunni, same if I'm in the company of friends. But most of the times, I just wait another 8 minutes, no big deal!
