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The gist of my arguement was that the article in Alsharq al-Aswat is skewed. The writer of the article turned a blind eye to the terrorism of Bush and Blair. He was just echoing his masters voice.

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this means that you DO feel that Zarquawi was terrorist
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Don't you think that those who fight occupation use terrorism? Do you label Nelson Mandela as a terrorist? He used it against his opponents, didn't he?

Was George Washington a terrorist? Ask the brits who fought him at the time.

Al Zarqawi may have his faults, let Allah judge him.

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ok if we're going to start bringing in everyone from Nelson Mandela to George frigging washington here then there isnt hope. Why not bring in the Crusades, heck - even Cro-Magnon vs homo-sapien? I mean all war and killing can be "justified" if you try hard enough.

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didn’t take long to create another bogeyman.. the propaganda wing just pulled another name out of their behinds.. and this time the name doesn’t even make sense.. not to mention, they’ve stopped even telling us which ‘Islamic Website’ this news was on.. for the reason that all previous ‘Islamic websites’ could be tracerouted back to Langley Virginia or some ISP in Texas :hehe:

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This Unguarded Man Was Iraq's Most Potent Terrorist?

The US Already Misses Zarqawi

By PATRICK COCKBURN
In the days before he was tracked down and killed by US lazer-guided bombs Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was living with almost no guards and only five companions, two of whom were women and one an eight year old girl.
US military were yesterday displaying the few tattered possessions of Zarqawi and those who died with him in the rubble of an isolated house half hidden by date palms outside the village of Hibhib in Diyala province north east of Baghdad.
The ease with which Iraqi police and US special forces were able to reach the house after the bombing without encountering hostile fire showed that Zarqawi was never the powerful guerrilla chieftain and leader of the Iraqi resistance that Washington has claimed for over three years.
Amid the broken slabs of concrete and twisted metal was a woman's leopard skin nightgown, a magazine with a picture of Franklin Roosevelt and a leaflet apparently identifying a radio station in Latafiyah which might be a potential target for attack. It is not clear how long the little group had been in the house.
Zarqawi himself was dragged dying from the ruins of his house by Iraqi police and strapped to a stretcher. "Zarqawi did in fact survive the air strike," said Maj Gen William Caldwell, the US military spokesmen. Covered in blood he survived a few minutes after the Americans arrived and muttered a few unintelligible words. "Zarqawi attempted to turn away off the stretcher,' said Gen Caldwell. "They--everybody--re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he received from the airstrike." The only resistance encountered by black-clad American commandos was from local Sunni villagers in the village of Ghalabiya, near Hibhib, who thought the strangers were members of a Shia death squad. Villagers who were standing guard fired into the air on seeing the commandos who in turn threw a grenade that killed five of the guards. American regular army troops later came to Ghalabiya to apologise and promise compensation to the families of the dead men. **The manner in which Zarqawi died confirms the belief that his military and political importance was always deliberately exaggerated by the US. He was a wholly obscure figure until he was denounced by US Secretary of State Colin Powell before the US Security Council on 5 February 2003. Mr Powell identified Zarqawi as the link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein though no evidence for this was ever produced. Iraqi police documents were later discovered showing that Saddam Hussein's security forces, so far from collaborating with Zarqawi, were trying to arrest him. **In Afganistan Zarqawi had led a small group hostile to al Qa'ida. Arriving in Iraq in 2002 hee had taken refuge in the mountain hide out of an extreme Islamic group near Halabja in Kurdistan in an area which the Iraqi government did not control. Over the last three years Zarqawi has had a symbiotic relationship with US forces in Iraq. After the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003 Zarqawi was once again heavily publicised by US military and civilian spokesmen as the preeminent leader of the resistance. His name was mentioned at every press conference in Baghdad. Dubious documents were leaked to the US press. The aim of all this from Washington's point of view was to show that by invading Iraq President Bish was indeed fighting international terrorism. US denunciations and Zarqawi's own videos of himself beheading western hostages together spread his fame throughout the Muslim world enabling him to recruit men and raise money easily. But, for all his vaunted importance, the US spokesmen admitted that Zarqawi's suicide bombers concentrated almost entirely on soft targets and were responsible for very few of the 20,000 American casualties in Iraq. It is difficult to track the movements of Zarqawi over the last three years but until the summer of 2005 he appears to have lived in or around Ramadi in Anbar province west of Baghdad. The area is almost entirely Sunni and largely under the control of the resistance, but increased US military activity in Ramadi last year reportedly forced him out. He was also heavily criticised by some other resistance groups and tribes for launching a sectarian war against the Shia which blackened the name of the insurgency at home and abroad.
In moving to Diyala province north east of Baghdad Zarqawi was in more danger. The province is divided between Sunni and Shia along with some Kurds who have been fighting a ferocious local civil war with frequent tit- for-tat killings. For instance police yesterday found the severed heads of two Sunni Arab brothers in the small town of Khan Bani Saad near Baquba, the capital of Diyala province, from which they had been kidnapped a week ago.
Diyala has advantages as a hiding place over other Iraqi provinces. It is better watered than most of Iraq with many rivers and streams running into the Tigris. It is famous in Iraq for its orchards and date plantations and is particularly well known for growing pomegranates which are sold in the large fruit market in Baquba. There are many agricultural villages and the foliage of palms and trees provide cover from air attack though the house in which Zarqawi died was clearly visible from aircraft. It is not clear how far American or Iraqi government statements about how they located him should be believed. It appears unlikely that he was having meeting with his lieutenants, as was first suggested, given that only two other men died with him.
[size=]There are already signs that in propaganda terms the US military--as well as the media--is missing Zarqawi as a single demonic figure who could be presented as the leader of the resistance. A US military commander was already saying last week that Zarqawi's most likely successor was Abu Ayyub al-Masari, an Egyptian born fighter trained in Afganistan whom it is claimed came to Baghdad in 2002 to set up an al Qa'ida cell.

**The myth of Zarqawi, which may originally have been manufactured by Jordanian and Kurdish intelligence in 2003, was attractive to Washington because it showed that anti-occupation resistance was foreign inspired and linked to al Qa'ida. In reality the insurgency was almost entirely homegrown, reliant on near total support from the five million strong Sunni community. **Its military effectiveness was far more dependant on former officers of the Iraqi army and security forces than on al-Qa'ida. They may also have helped boost Zarqawi's fame because it was convenient for them to blame their worst atrocities on him.

One impact of the death of Zarqawi may be to lessen the threat of attacks in Jordan, his home country. It was he who was behind the attack on hotels in Jordan last year which killed 60 people. He was also the most unrelenting advocate in the resistance for attacks on Shia Muslims, 60 per cent of the Iraqi population, as heretics, enemies of the Sunni just as much as American soldiers.
The killing of Zarqawi is a boost for the newly formed government of Nouri al-Maliki, but Iraqis noticed that when announcing it he stood at the podium between Gen George Casey, the top US commander in Iraq, and Zilmay Khalilzad, the US ambassador. "It showed the limits of Maliki's independence from the Americans," noted one Iraqi commentator. "It would have been better if they had let him make the announcement standing alone."

In the wake of Zarqawi's death Maliki was able to announce that the names of his new Interior Minister Jawad Khadim Polani and Abdul Qadr Mohammed Jassim as Defence Minister. Both are obscure figures but also former members of the Iraqi army opposed to Saddam Hussein. They will have difficulty getting control of their own ministries.

Maliki has said privately that his biggest problem is that his cabinet consists entirely of ministers who are the representatives of different parties. They were only appointed after rancorous negotiations. He cannot dismiss them however disobedient, incompetent or corrupt they may be. Each minister uses his or her ministry as a fiefdom to be exploited for patronage and money. By the time he died Zarqawi's list of enemies included the US, the Iraqi government, many of the Sunni tribes and insurgent leaders. The biggest surprise surrounding his death last week was that it took so long to happen.[/size]

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is that so?

care to prove it?

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ok let’s put it to test.. give us the name of the website that announced the new leader to replace Zarqawi so we can check it out.. if your talking points scripts don’t have it.. ask the supervisors :hehe:

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firstly I dont know the site…

I thought you would, since you said that the IP traces back to texas…

so I assumed you would know the site and the only way to prove it was to give an link to the site so then I can run on my Windows XP a traceroute program to see where this site originates from.

But clearly, since your pathetic attempt at a comeback has utterly failed, I guess you don’t which site you are talking about and you are clearly making up all of this.

Which isnt surprising, given your history…

Good luck next time…:slight_smile:

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merc... there were sites which in past were quoted by US intelligence/govt as source of information/news about AlQaida which some analyst/journalist looked at and came with info that the site quoted was operated by some company in Virginia and one was perhaps in Texas.

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I am pretty sure there were

but PakistaniAbroad was suppose to give me links to those sites so that i can run a traceroute but he failed to do so...

i am pretty sure that CIA made up islamic sites

but that doesnt mean that every single insurgent site on the planet is run by USA

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Well said. One particular newspaper is trying to ensure that 'shaheed' word is suffixed with Zarqawi permanently (God Forbid). Their insistence that zarqawi did not practice sectarian killing is laughable. I can totally imagine osama's potential capture or death (if it happens) will be glamorized by certain quarters and they will claim Osama NEVER killed/planned/tolerated any innocent death.

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The sites were removed/brought down after they were "exposed".

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THE DEATH OF ZARQAWI

By Eric Margolis

PARIS - **Zarqawi will be dead soon,’ two of his disgruntled Jordanian supporters told me last March.**He will be betrayed by his own men.’ They were referring to the notorious Jordanian-born guerilla leader who was finally cornered and killed last week by US forces.

That’s likely what happened, contrary to US reports of having tracked down Iraq’s most-wanted militant. Tipped off that al-Zarqawi was in a rural house outside the city of Baquba, US aircraft bombed it, killing him, two or three aides, and a woman and child. Who will collect the $25 million bounty offered by the US on Zarqawi remains to be seen.

*An interesting question: since the US knew Zarqawi’s location and had it surrounded, why did it not try to take him alive? He would have been full of useful information, like captured genuine al-Qaida members? Perhaps because dead men tell no tales? *

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the poster-boy of so-called Islamic terrorism,’ was born in Zarqa, Jordan. He came closest to fitting the termterrorist’ of anyone since the late, unlamented mass killer, Abu Nidal. Both were vicious killers who reveled in mass violence and cruel executions. They quickly forgot political goals and devoted themselves to wanton, often aimless bloodshed and extortion.

Few will miss Zarqawi. But his assassination is not `a major victory against al-Qaida,’ as President Bush claimed.

Contrary to erroneous reports promoted by the US government, *Zarqawi’s so-called `al-Qaida in Iraq’ was not truly part of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida movement, and he was not the leader of the anti-US resistance in Iraq. *

After the US invaded Iraq, Zarqawi, who had been a member of a small, mainly Kurdish anti-Saddam militant group, *set up his own tiny radical organization. In a clever ploy to achieve instant notoriety, Zarqawi proclaimed it `al-Qaida in Iraq.’ *

The real al-Qaida was most displeased by Zarqawi’s brazen trademark infringement. This deception was enhanced by American-produced faked letters supposedly `intercepted’ by US forces claiming to show Zarqawi was part of al-Qaida and acting under bin Laden’s direct orders. This Soviet-style disinformation was gobbled up by the US media.

*Osama bin Ladin and his deputy, Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, repeatedly criticized Zarqawi’s bloody attacks on Muslim civilians, his kidnapping, and gruesome decapitations of hostages as `un-Islamic.’ *

Iraq’s twenty-odd resistance groups battling US-British occupation also strongly denounced Zarqawi’s murderous car and truck bombing rampages aimed at igniting a civil war between Sunnis, Shia and Kurds.

*Some Iraqi resistance leaders and some Arab media even claimed Zarqawi and his henchmen were covert *
*‘agents provocateurs’ working for the US and Britain to stir up ethnic tensions as part of Britain’s old `divide and rule’ techniques. *

This sounded far-fetched until the arrest in Basra of British SAS commandos armed with explosives and disguised as Arabs, leading many to believe Zarqawi’s men were indeed western double agents or criminals working for hire.

Now that Zarqawi is dead, what next? First, he will be unmourned. Zarqawi was universally hated and feared. In no way can he be hailed as a martyr or noble mujahid.

Ironically, the only people who may miss him are the Bush Administration’s pro-war neoconservatives. Zarqawi played a major starring role in US propaganda efforts to convince credulous Americans that the Bush Administration launched an unprovoked invasion of oil-rich Iraq `as the central front in the war on terrorism.

Zarqawi and his men spent most of their time killing Iraqi Shia civilians. The majority of attacks on US occupation forces in Iraq are conducted by former members of Saddam Hussein’s military, special forces, Baath Party, and other small underground nationalist groups like Nasserites and anti-Saddam nationalists.

So Zarwaqi’s death may mean a lessening of murderous attacks on Shia civilians, but is unlikely to take the heat of US-British occupation forces. In fact, his death might even promote better Sunni-Shia relations, allowing for the emergence of a more independent-minded Iraqi government that could increasingly reject Washington’s near-total `guidance.’

The first small but significant hints of such independence emerged in recent weeks when the new Baghdad government openly complained about the slaughter of Iraqi civilians by US troops.

The Iraqi resistance is fragmented into more than a score of shadowy groups. No single leader has yet emerged. Now that Zarqawi is gone, the US will need to find another demonic figure with which to keep selling the war to Americans at home and to US troops in Iraq, 75% of whom still amazingly believe Saddam Hussein launched the 9/11 attacks.

Assassinating Zarqawi will give Bush a short-lived bump in the polls. But in the longer run, killing him was perhaps not such a great idea. *For the US, Zarqawi was far more useful alive. Iraqis, however, will be universally better off. *


WRITER’S NOTEBOOK

**The three Muslims prisoners who killed themselves this weekend in George Bush’s tropical gulag at Guantanamo renewed world attention on this despicable violation of human rights and American values. It would be rewarding seeing some of the neo-fascists who cooked up the Iraq War sent to cool their heels there, including the idiot San Diego Congressman who claimed prisoners were very lucky to be there since `they never had such good food in their lives…they even get chicken.’*

But the prize for idiocy and stupidity goes to Rear Ad. Harry Harris who dismissed the suicides – a frightful sin in Islam – as being `an act of war against us.’ Right you are, Harry, never trust any of those sneaky Muslims!’ Ever wonder how Germans could cheerfully justify their WWII concentration camps? Just as Admiral Harry and the Pentagon.

*Just when we thought things could not get worse abroad, along comes ret. Admiral and Senator John McCain who is urging the US to send more troops to Iraq. Obviously, he learned nothing from Vietnam – this from the man who would be president.

*This week, court proceedings in Canada will begin for 17 young Muslims arrested last week and charged with a dazzling series of plots and crimes, including, it seems, blowing up Parliament in Ottawa, kidnapping and beheading the prime minister, and bombing major public buildings in downtown Toronto. These nefarious plots were all hatched in the wide open on the internet, where police and spooks were watching.

Rather than `Canada’s 9/11,’ as it has been billed by the hysterical press, it all sounds like a bunch of amateurish, would-be Muslim Rambos who got carried away in on-line chat rooms with fantasy jive-talk, and were likely egged on by a police agent provocateur to order ammonium nitrate to make a bomb. The whole thing reeks to high heaven and was likely a piece of political theater designed to show know-nothing US Congressional Republicans, who have been screaming that Canada is a nest of al-Qaida terrorists, that concrete action is being taken. More to follow, stay tuned.

In the remote 1950’s, the big scare was `Reds Under Our Beds!’
Today, it’s `Muslims Under Our Matresses!’

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2006

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question. dont u think he looks too put-together for someone that got bombed by a 500 lb. bomb? shoulda been blown to bits…

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^ hollywood makeup artists flew in after the strike :P

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Apparently, he was not dead when they found him…he was even trying to flee. So I guess he didn’t get blown to bits…

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he died from the injuries

apparently all of his wounds were on the back, so died from a loss of blood

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now why cant innocent iraqi civilians learn to flee after they have been bombed? :rolleyes:
oh well atleast the public has proof of the death of the boogeyman.