Breaking News!!!! Osama Bin Laden is dead

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My information is only from Articles in the Pakistani Media.

It is quite possible that the US Authorities might have had an agreement with the Pakistani Army including the ISI etc. not to interfere with a US Heliborne Group which would be operating within a Radius of say 100 Miles from Islamabad.

As some people have commented the Helicopters flew below the Radar Cover (or some such words) and as such even if the Pakistani Radar facilities did not pick up the object on their Radar Screens the noise emanating from the Helicopters would be sure to arouse a response from the Pakistani Security Services.

As there was no response it leads one to feel that there was no "Physical" involvement of the Pakistanis.

I am sure that the US Authorties did not inform their Pakistani Counterparts as to the exact Nature as well as the Target of their Heliborne Group thereby keeping the Pakistanis away from the Intent of the Mission.

I would therefore suggest we await the next "Wikileaks" to get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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Oh yeah. totally agree to this...

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Complete details about the operation:

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Well, this is fun day!

One little thing to add. Some of the reports indicate that the US may have identified this compound as early as August of last year. One can only imagine that they have bought or rented a house nearby, and set up rather elaborate monitoring of visitors, electronic emissions, and that the intelligence stream that will come from the collection of hard drives from the site will cause some immediate problems for AQ in the near future. I imagine that any ISI chap who has visited the house will have disappeared Sunday also. The fact that they did not swoop down on the compound immediately means that they were relatively sure that if OBL left the compound that he could be followed. I would imagine that various listening devices, and tracking devices were attached to the vehicles.

The intelligence gathered from this will be a real coup.

And you guys know all about coups right? :)

Hello to all my Guppy friends.

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I really dont think that the dude could have hidden there without someone knowing, and its in the nations and citizen's interests and its their right to know who knew, and deal with it.

expecting sudden retirements, moves and all in Military there at the minimum.

and whether or not there was cooperation in the raid is immaterial to this point, it does not explain how this jackass can be yards away from a military academy.

govt there may try to not take credit for anything because that just would make the country a bigger target for these psychotic jackasses blowing up innocent people.

I suggest that there are still soviet war era folks in the agencies and that they may be working on their own agendas, and if that is the case, charge them all with treason and mow em down.

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Let me call local realtors to find out who bought/rented a house nearby :help:

:wave: hello OG!

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2233: John Brennan, President Obama's counter-terrorism adviser, describes nervous moments as the Pakistani military - realising that something was happening at the compound in Abbottabad - began to scramble jets. Mr Brennan also confirms that the dead during the operation included one of Bin Laden's sons.

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It seems that the Americans knew where Osama was for some time, but they were keeping him as a bargaining chip, besides he was not that much of a threat now. As he did not have communication with the rest of the world. Now they might have decided to take him out so as to pressurize Pakistan to accept their new list of demands; and I am sure many of those demands will be detrimental to Pakistani interests...

These demands could be related to Afghan Taleban, LET, LJ and maybe reining the ISI. Mike Mullen last night called COAS, and Panetta called Shuja Pasha and COAS cancelled his trip to nato hq's in brussel due to prevailing circumstances

This is a serious serious crisis for Pakistan, and I pray Pakistan comes out of it somehow unscathed.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/02/bin-ladens-location-raises-concerns-pakistani-cooperation/

Bin Laden’s Hideout Raises Concerns About Pakistani Cooperation

Published May 02, 2011
| FoxNews.com

While U.S. intelligence officials worked furiously to track Usama bin Laden, the world’s most-wanted terrorist was living in a sprawling, $1 million complex surrounded by a privacy wall and security gates. He was living a short walk from a top military training center in a town about 35 miles from Pakistan’s capital. The neighborhood where he spent his time was affluent, and filled with retired military.

How did Pakistan miss this?

That’s the question U.S. lawmakers and other officials are asking themselves as they assess the stunning announcement that bin Laden was killed in Pakistan by an elite U.S. team Sunday afternoon.

Though there are conflicting reports about how much Pakistani officials knew and how much they shared, the fact that the terror leader was hiding out, possibly for years, in a conspicuous and suspicious compound fueled concerns in Washington that Pakistan has not done all it can to assist the United States despite enormous aid provided to the country.

“How could he be in such a compound without being noticed?” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Fox News.

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Fox is a very biased news channel IMO. I w'd take their comments and opinions with a grain of salt

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^ yes but this is the rightwing rabid kind of newspaper we need to take this into account to gauge what the Americans are thinking as it would be biased, there are many politicians in america which subscribe to this thinking

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2217: Pakistan's High Commissioner to the UK, Wajid Hasan, says his government helped the Americans in tracking down Bin Laden. Mr Hasan tells the BBC Newsnight: "The Pakistani government was throughout co-operating with the American intelligence and they had been monitoring his (Bin Laden's) activities, so did the Americans. And they kept a track of him from Afghanistan into Waziristan and then into Afghanistan again and then again into north Waziristan. But when he found that it was becoming difficult for him to keep on his movements there he moved into this Abbottabad and that is where he made his mistake."

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Certainly somebody noticed him out jogging, going to Home Depot, doing volunteer work, and voting for the most radical politicians, wearing his "F**k Bush" button, and his I Heart NY t-shirt.

Sort of like when you discover that the folks next door are cannibals, "Well, they were real good neighbors, kinda quiet, and kept to themselves. Come to think of it, they barbecued a lot!"

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On every other channel, American officials are trying to take credit for their “humanity” and “passion to adhere to moral values” by performing religious rituals for OBL...that SOB coli colin powel who lied to the whole world about WMD thus contributing to detah of hundreds of thousands innocent iraqis just said “ we performed religious rituals for OBL because that is who were are…we respect people’s religious values no matter what”…….and I just could not quit laughing for next 5 min….lol..that really made my day....america respecting its enemies’s moral and religious values!!!….from Hiroshima to vietnam to gauntanamo bay, of course america resepcted all of its enemies.…lol

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here here.

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/03/pak-military-caught-in-the-crossfire.html

Pak military caught in the crossfire By Baqir Sajjad Syed | From the Newspaper

ISLAMABAD: **As the United States announced the death of Osama bin Laden, the Pakistani state, especially its military struggled to explain the role it played in the momentous event and contain the domestic political fallout on Monday.

In a damage control exercise, the Pakistan military tried to find refuge in ‘intelligence failure’ as the elusive Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was killed in a CIA-led helicopter borne raid on a house right under the nose of Pakistan military’s training academy.**

**“We had been looking for him in no-go areas, unaware that he was living so close to an installation of ours. Yes, it is an intelligence failure,” a senior military official told Dawn in a background session on OBL’s death in an operation carried out by a US Navy SEAL strike team under CIA command.

Even as military officials tried to downplay Osama’s killing in a compound less than a kilometre away from Kakul academy, they found very few takers of their explanation.**

This was hardly surprising as it is hard to believe that the paranoid security agencies never conducted a reconnaissance of the vicinity of their main training facility during times when military installations faced a continuous threat of terrorist attacks.** Odder still is the fact that the military authorities or the intelligence sleuths never felt the need to find out who was using a heavily guarded structure that was protected by barded wires and fortified walls and had the extra precaution of surveillance cameras.**

**It is in fact tragically comical that this compound was at a stone’s throw from where Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani attended a parade around a week ago; when he said publicly that his soldiers had broken the back of militants.

Was the general completely unaware that the most wanted man lived but a short distance away? Did he also not have a clue about what was to happen in the coming days in that town?**

Military officials vehemently insist that they had not been taken on board by the Americans about the operation.

In hindsight, the flurry of activity that took place in the past week or so indicates that something was up.

**ISAF Commander Gen Petraeus paid an extraordinary visit to Islamabad last Monday (April 25), when he is said to have held ‘a short and crisp’ discussion with Gen Kayani at an unusual meeting venue — Chaklala Airbase. The two generals are even said to have taken a short trip to an undisclosed location on board an aircraft. The same night Gen Petraeus had through teleconferencing attended a White House meeting chaired by President Barack Obama.

Observers feel that President Obama referred to that meeting in his speech on Monday morning, in which he announced the death of Osama: “And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorised an operation to get Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice.”**

**The very next day, Pakistan’s top military coordination body — Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee — held its quarterly session, which was attended among others by ISI Chief Gen Shuja Pasha, who otherwise isn’t a regular member of the body. The meeting was unscheduled.
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The final orders for the raid were signed by President Obama last Friday in the presence of National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, his deputy Denis McDonough and counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan.

However, it is not just the denial of the Pakistan army of any prior knowledge of the operation that is raising eyebrows.

Another anomaly in the Pakistan military’s account of the raid is their explanation of how four US helicopters evaded the country’s air defence system for about an hour (almost 30 minutes each side) as they flew in from Bagram and returned after a 40-minute long foray.

**One official claimed that the helicopters succeeded in avoiding detection through ‘Nap of the earth flight’ — a military tactic involving low-altitude flying to evade air defence systems. Yet another maintained that the air defence systems had been jammed by the Americans.
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If this sequence of events is to be believed then why did President Obama appreciate Pakistan’s cooperation in the operation? Was it out of love for the country?

“But it’s important to note that our counter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding,” Mr Obama said.

Whatever the case, Pakistani commanders took heart from President Obama’s and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s statements on the incident.

They think that the statements had provided Pakistan with a way out of the awkward situation and given the space for both sides to continue with their war on militancy cooperation.

It was in line with this assessment of the situation and the subsequent American stance that the Foreign Office statement on Osama’s killing was drafted. The carefully worded statement renewed its pledge to continue cooperation with the US in fight against militancy.

“Pakistan has played a significant role in efforts to eliminate terrorism. We have had extremely effective intelligence sharing arrangements with several intelligence agencies, including that of the US. We will continue to support international efforts against terrorism.”

The statement had hailed the operation as “a major setback to terrorist organisations around the world”.

Evident from the statement were the worries in the foreign ministry and among the civilian leadership and among military command about the questions that would be asked, especially about the violation of country’s sovereignty during the conduct of the operation. Hence, it took recourse to America’s right of defence and international law.

At one point, the statement noted that “the operation was conducted by the US forces in accordance with the declared US policy that Osama bin Laden will be eliminated in a direct action by the US forces, wherever found in the world.” Whereas at another point, it said “Al Qaeda had declared war on Pakistan.”

The statement emphasised that the operation had been carried out by the US forces, and not Pakistani troops.

This is also the line pushed by the civilian government whose Information Minister Firdous Ashiq Awan said the operation was carried out by the US in exercise of UNSC mandate.

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So OBL’s body was thrown in the sea. Why didn’t they bury it in some anonymous place in USA? Why did they got rid of the body so fast? Are they hiding something? His sea burial has made the whole thing look quite questionable.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110502/ts_yblog_thelookout/was-it-burying-bin-laden-at-sea-a-mistake

ps. before anyone starts attacking me, I am extremely glad that OBL is finally history. I hope one day we can bring an end to this terrorist network and have peace in Pakistan. inshahAllah.

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Americans have finally said that pakistan was not told about the operation, they were informed after the americans had left with osama bin laden’s body…this does create doubts then!

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why is there no pic of osama’s dead body on the news or anywhere on the internet ?

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Can they do that? Just come and kill someone in another country without the country’s permission?