Hey Disco Stu
You been force fed bull sh*t for so long that you don't wether your coming or going.
Think for yourself man....use your limited imagination and just for a second squeeze your eyes shut and try real hard....no real hard!and imagine being an innocent in Afghanistan.
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Originally posted by Pristine:
*Was Pak Airspace used, and was it only missiles going through Pak airspace or actual bomber air-planes? *
Unfortunately yes.
*Bin Laden and his friend spoke. The translator was quite confused especially in the first part, and I am sure he messed up a number of times. *
Thats what I have noticed as well. Especially the last part was quite confusing for him. Sometimes he finished his translation before Bin Laden had finished his part of speech. Funny.
*The ultimate aim of Bin Laden is not to attack or damage US. Now its clear that his aim is to over-throw the monarchies and dictatorships of middle east and return to Arabia as the ruler, and unify the whole nation. *
Yes.....and In that sense he would do justice.
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More and more I'm starting to recognize NOSTRADAMUS as a real clairvoyant. I still can't remember when I wrote something about a third and final "ANTI-CHRIST" born in that region wearing a "pugree" and having a beard....etcetcetc
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Stu,
Read my post and try to give a reasonable answer and I'll start taking you serious.
Ignorance is what America was build on.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Ali-R
I could'nt agree more ....
The West is totaly brainwashed by the media....
Thap- It's you that has been force fed BS my friend. Unlike you, I'm able to separate the concept of religious and political beliefs... the two should never be mixed.
Think for yourself. If America was such an evil nation, why are we so strong? Why would Allah let the "Kufir" culture be so superior in every way to the Islamic world? Why does practically every Pakistani wish he/she could emigrate to the US?
We are strong, and you'd better hope for your sake that the Jihad does not continue after OBL is hunted down and brought to justice. It will be interesting to see just how "unbeatable" the mujahadeed really are when faced with US special forces.
Originally posted by Stu:
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I've been monitoring these boards for several weeks now, since the attacks. I'm deeply saddened and upset to see the depth of ignorance that many of you demonstrate.
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Excuse me? Depth of ignorance? This is the most open, broad-minded web community you will find in the Desi community. That is the reason so many "Average Americans" are popping up every day giving us their views.
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This is not an attack against Islam.
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Its an attack on 27 million Afghan Muslims if you didn't notice.
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On the contrary, it's an attack against forces that propagate upon, and feed upon, hatred and terror.
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Then go and attack the training camps of the US militia's groups in the US as well. And go and attack the arms camps of the Jewish settlers in occupied Palestine. Why just Muslim countries?
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Taliban and OBLs network will soon learn the meaning of one american phrase that I wished Pres. Bush had used (instead of some others):
"you mess with the bull, you get the horns."
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To that I say Vietnam, Beirut and Somalia.
Originally posted by Stu:
Once and for all, the US will be going above and beyond to minimize non-military, non-Taliban casualties in Afghanistan.
Really by attacking the Airport?
CNN REPORTED THIS!
I've been monitoring these boards for several weeks now, since the attacks. I'm deeply saddened and upset to see the depth of ignorance that many of you demonstrate. This is not an attack against Islam. On the contrary, it's an attack against forces that propagate upon, and feed upon, hatred and terror. Based on what I know, this is not representative of Islam.
Ok you attack a muslim country, you attack muslim people, you define the terrorist as muslims, you define most of the nations in the region as muslim.
And yet religion has nothing to do with it?
What are you bloody stupid?
You talk about ignorance?
I thought americans were stupid before the dozen or so americans started posting here.
Both avg americans don't know anything aout geo-politics or heck any form of politics real or historic.
Krusty another american makes up his own meanings to statements.
Heck the only one that can discuss politics with a sensible head is my voice, but i doubt he is less than 30.
He types like a diplomat and is well versed in all aspects of american fp.
I wonder what part of the US govt he works for.
**Taliban and OBLs network will soon learn the meaning of one american phrase that I wished Pres. Bush had used (instead of some others):
"you mess with the bull, you get the horns." **
I guess the US learned that the hard way also in its obtuse and one-sided use of FP.
The US goes in with ground forces be ready for vietnam all over again.
**My Allah have mercy on their souls, because America and it's allies won't.
-Stu**
When has the US govbt ever had mercy on anybody?
Our's not to reason why,
Our's but to do and die:
Right on, STU!
What was sickening was the remarks by bin-laden. He said nothing about the Afghani people, the very people who gave him shelter. He ranted about the Israelis and jihad and non-believers. Not a word was said about the poor people of afghan.
US will start dropping food and other humanitarian supplies in the refugee areas. This is America. Not what the mullah brainwashed jihadi vermin would believe.
Ali R,
Do you see Americans dancing in the streets?
Do you see anybody smiling?
Can you hear over and over that the solution to this was simple, hand over OBL and his network. I feel sorry for the people of Afghanistan, they are being used as human shields. It is the job of their leaders to insure their safety. We have no desire to hurt any Afghan. OBL has chosen the poorest possible nation, that he could bribe and manipulate, and the poor people of Afghanistan are the most pathetic and needy available to hide behind as he executes his geopolitical ambitions. Yes, ambitions. Would you vote for this man? Do you think he would keep your children safe at night?
Yes, it is a time for Islam to feel empowered. You have the spotlight on the world stage. Soon the amusement of this will be over, as responsible Muslims will be painted with the blood of a murderer who presumes to speak for all of you.
Now as to the OBL apologists and their statements on these boards over the last few days:
1)Over and over the past few days there have been cries of "Evidence!". Well, OBL on video tape virtually admitted his crime. And advocated more crimes. The Taliban knew this. The Pakistanis' knew this. Did any of you really not believe he did it? Sounds like you have all been duped by your own Islamic "media". Nice of you to tow the party line for him.
2)The Taliban are liars. "We don't know where he is.", "We have a rough idea of where is is.", "He is our Guest." "If you do not attack us we will release your little girls." OBL simply needed some martyrs, and the Taliban had plenty.
My hope is that responsible Muslims will step forward with responsible solutions. Remove Saddam, and let's let Iraq prosper in peace. We should have found him and removed him when we had the chance. Ten years later the country would be well on it's way to recovery. Arabs, please clean your house. Tell Arafat that there is no better time to be a man of peace. This new wave of terror will guarantee massive fear in Israel, and they will elect people who can guarantee their security, not solve the larger problem. It makes things better, not worse.
No one benefits from this. And things will get much much worse before they get better.
Peace
Vietnam, Beirut and Somalia never attacked us so the American people were never behind those efforts... essentially dooming them from the beginning. Thank you for demonstrating the ignorance I spoke of earlier by implying that America was weak.
The one country that that did go so far as to attack the US was Japan. We all know what happened there. That, in essence, is why your ignorance saddens and upsets me. I don't want do see the US pushed to those lengths again. The possibility definitely exists if this Jihad continues. Do you honestly believe that Jihad can end positively for Muslims? The answer is a clear and resounding no.
Originally posted by Stu:
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Vietnam, Beirut and Somalia never attacked us so the American people were never behind those efforts... essentially dooming them from the beginning.
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Ah that old Hollywood movie excuse "the people were against it thats why we lost". You were in Vietnam for 11 long years and 58,000 of your soldiers died. Did it take all that while and those losses for American politicians to realise that the people were against it? Some representative democracy huh? Why don't you simply say that America was roundly defeated or humiliated in those countries by stronger and more determined opponents? That would be the brave thing to say, rather than hide behind this sad excuse.
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The one country that that did go so far as to attack the US was Japan. We all know what happened there.
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Yes you nuclear bombed that country because you could not stomach a long ground war that would last many more years and countless American lives. So you just nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese instead.
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Originally posted by Infoman:
**Right on, STU!
What was sickening was the remarks by bin-laden. He said nothing about the Afghani people, the very people who gave him shelter. He ranted about the Israelis and jihad and non-believers. Not a word was said about the poor people of afghan.**
What is he supposed to say?
US will start dropping food and other humanitarian supplies in the refugee areas. This is America. Not what the mullah brainwashed jihadi vermin would believe.
Where was the US for the past decade?
Answer me that?
It is all PR.
We bomb the country but we help the people.
We attack the Taliban destory infrastructure but we provide food.
It is PR BS.
Our's not to reason why,
Our's but to do and die:
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Originally posted by Ohioguy:
Do you see Americans dancing in the streets?
They have home for that. Palis homes have been destroyed by Israeli tanks, missiles etc.
Do you see anybody smiling?
Watch your face man.
Can you hear over and over that the solution to this was simple, hand over OBL and his network.
A NT work nothing you can over be a bit realistic. As far as OBL is concerened no proof no hand over! Besides this Taliban wanted to negotiate directly with U.S, but was declined.
*I feel sorry for the people of Afghanistan, they are being used as human shields. It is the job of their leaders to insure their safety. We have no desire to hurt any Afghan. *
It's about time you people start to understand that Americans differ from American politicians and Gov.!!!!! Got that!
Yes and OBL had not desire to hurt American Muslims as well. Stupid statement.
*OBL has chosen the poorest possible nation, that he could bribe and manipulate, and the poor people of Afghanistan are the most pathetic and needy available to hide behind as he executes his geopolitical ambitions. *
So did the Americans against Russia. And don't forget that the other side (NA) is cooperating with America. These are Terrorists who America is handing over it's arms. Do you consider them as Terrorists?? No. Why not?? Coz they didn't hit you. Fact is that they have killed thousand of Afghans, but as long no American has been killed this consideration is superfluous.
*Yes, ambitions. Would you vote for this man? Do you think he would keep your children safe at night? *
More than a CIA or FBI chief.
Yes, it is a time for Islam to feel empowered. You have the spotlight on the world stage. Soon the amusement of this will be over, as responsible Muslims will be painted with the blood of a murderer who presumes to speak for all of you.
At least he has guts to speak for truth and justice. Regardless of he is guilty or not.
*1)Over and over the past few days there have been cries of "Evidence!". Well, OBL on video tape virtually admitted his crime. And advocated more crimes. The Taliban knew this. The Pakistanis' knew this. Did any of you really not believe he did it? Sounds like you have all been duped by your own Islamic "media". Nice of you to tow the party line for him. *
ok lets say he is guilty. Now I wonder what you did if this guy would have been leaving in lets say SPAIN. Would you support an Attack on Spain?? Would you go and bomb Spain??
2)The Taliban are liars. "We don't know where he is.", "We have a rough idea of where is is.", "He is our Guest." "If you do not attack us we will release your little girls." OBL simply needed some martyrs, and the Taliban had plenty.
Ok I agree that Taliban did lie. But what about your people who lie each and every day on international issues??? They lied about the number who died in VIETNAM. They lied when they attacked Sudans factories. They lied when JFK was murdered. They lied when showing pictures of celebrating PALIS on CNN etc etc. Is this to be ignored?? Yes sure coz they are Americans. They are a superior Nation and human, therefor have the right to lie, kill, murder even without evidence.
Remove Saddam, and let's let Iraq prosper in peace.
If your politicians would have wanted that, they would have done that even 8 years before. He is a puppet. Wake up!
Arabs, please clean your house. Tell Arafat that there is no better time to be a man of peace.
At least Arafat tried to have a meting with Sharon, but Sharon was the one who cancelled the meeting.
** This new wave of terror will guarantee massive fear in Israel, and they will elect people who can guarantee their security, not solve the larger problem. It makes things better, not worse.**
Being a terrorist does not need any security against another terrorist. Got that?!
No one benefits from this. And things will get much much worse before they get better.
Ever since Afghanistan has been attacked, there won't be Peace any more.
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And at least this thread shouldn't end in IRAQ issue. So leave that alone.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Originally posted by Stu:
** The possibility definitely exists if this Jihad continues. Do you honestly believe that Jihad can end positively for Muslims? The answer is a clear and resounding no. **
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Not an "American-defined-Jihad", but the true Muslim Jihad will succeed. Time will come my friend. Don't worry. Or do worry.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Originally posted by Stu:
**Vietnam, Beirut and Somalia never attacked us so the American people were never behind those efforts... essentially dooming them from the beginning. Thank you for demonstrating the ignorance I spoke of earlier by implying that America was weak.
The one country that that did go so far as to attack the US was Japan. We all know what happened there. That, in essence, is why your ignorance saddens and upsets me. I don't want do see the US pushed to those lengths again. The possibility definitely exists if this Jihad continues. Do you honestly believe that Jihad can end positively for Muslims? The answer is a clear and resounding no. **
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So the war of vietnam was not by US govt. or US govt. was not the govt. of the American ppl.
No need to go any further we know how much you know.
Keep making idle boasts Malik. Just like Saddam several years ago when he was saying that the US forces would drowned in a river of blood, or some such nonsense.
Let's review the situation in 2-3 weeks, or even in 20-30 years. and see where things stand.
Malik after you finish with Stu can i shine my shoes on him also?
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Our’s not to reason why,
Our’s but to do and die:
Originally posted by Stu:
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Keep making idle boasts Malik.
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Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia were certainly not idle boasts. Neither were the three defeats the British suffered in Afghanistan, and the humiliation the Russians endured. Those are facts. I deal with facts not boasts.
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Let's review the situation in 2-3 weeks, or even in 20-30 years. and see where things stand.
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Why 20-30 years? Is it going to take that long for the USA to get any 'victory' in this war against the Afghan Muslims.
Hopefully this will end as soon as possible. I am certainly thinking of all of you that are close, or deep in this and hope you keep safe.
Krusty