Bravery of Baloch Extremists

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Guys while i find this very informative, can't we keep the ethnic talk to a positive note? I mean we are all Pakistanis. It doesn't matter who fought who 300 years ago. What matters is we do not fight each other now.

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So you are Kashmiri. "Tup see to tus kar see"

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Some Baloch extremists threw acid in the face of 3 sisters walking home … wow, what bravery. :rolleyes:

"Two weeks ago, an unknown group - the Baloch Ghairatmand Group (the Honourable Baloch Group) - claimed responsibility for a similar attack on two women in a market in Dalbandin city. "

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The biggest beneficiaries of Panipat were the Sikhs. While Marhattas were greatly weakened, the Mughals were finished. Sikhs filled the power vaccum. While Marhattas retook Delhi and Sikhs reined supreme towards the West.

Pakthuns on this side of Khyber never fared well with the Durranis either. When the Sikhs took over trans-Indus regions they did not maintain permanent posts in several Southern regions like Akora Khattak, Bannu and Lakki Marwat. The Sikhs used to raid in general to collect tribute/taxes from locals.

When the Sikhs would leave, the Durranis would show up and in the name of the Ruler of Kabul would extract from the locals what little the Sikhs had failed to collect. (From Travels in Panjab, Afghanistan and Baluchistan during the Reign of Ranjit Singh by George Masson). Until the British showed up these areas were subjected to double taxation, first by Sikhs then by Durranis.

Safar

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I don't see why this discussion went from Baloch extremists -> Baluch-Pakhtun hatred -> Pakhtun bashing?

We need to condemn all acts of violence against innocent civilians. Just like Taliban do not represent the Pakhtuns, neither does this extremist group represent the Baluchis.

Any strain of Baluch-Pakhtun rivalry is grossly exaggerated and simply not true. As for the Pakhtun bashing, just know your own origins before insulting a group.

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marwati dont come here to defame baloch we dont do biz in ur area like chaman,zhob etc liar dont lie rather u do biz in our areas and all over pakistan freely

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Quetta is pashtun city and district. A balochi asserting his dominance over pashtuns in quetta would be strange........balochs freely come to pashtun belt of balochistan but a pashtun is not allowed to open any kind of business or shop in deeper baloch regions.......the reason is baloch insugents.............they (insurgents) kill any punjabis but some times they also kill pashtuns who had gone there for labour jobs........

balochs dislike hazaras because british used shia hazaras in operation against sunni balochs of iran........hazaras committed atrocities against balochs there, in their shia zeal.....as reward hazars were given lands to settle in quetta city by british.

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Ahmed shah abdali gifted quetta region to noori naseer khan balochs mother bibi maryam as he helped him in his wars quetta belongs to baloch not pashtun thats why we have ever right to do biz in it and u also do biz in quetta freely rather u have more biz in quetta due to the influx of afghan refugees during soviet war plz dont mislead the people stop lying ur population increased there due to afghan refugees these Afghan refugees should go back to Afghanistan now they have outstayed there welcome taken our jobes enough is enough !

The huge influx of Afghan refugees into Pakistan in the 1980s contributed to the rise of conservative kalashnikov culture, terrorism, sectarian violence, religious fundamentalism, drug trafficking, illegal cross-border smuggling, environmental issues, organised crime, and other sociology-economic law and order problems in the country

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I feel this is correct.

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Any one can settle in a city thats why you see some baloch population in quetta city…but the entire rural population of quetta district is pashtun, kansi tribe. That is land owners of quetta region are pashtuns while baloch and hazaras are settlers…

Ahmad shah abdali didnt gifted quetta to balochs, it is your fabrication.

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lol on this discussion of Quetta being a pashtun or baloch city. If we expand this discussion we can say that Peshawar is hindkowan city as they used to be in the majority in the city few decades ago.

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its not a fabrication its a fact mr quetta was part of Afghanistan before pashtuns inhabit the place we came afterwards cause father of Afghanistan gave it to us in jagir cause we helped him against the persians sikh and maratahs i can give u prove

THANKS TO Wikipedia

The area was inhabited by the Kasi Tribe and various other Pashtun Tribes. Quetta has been the under the Kalat Dynasty from beginning, after Khan Kalat married with the daughter of Ahmed Shah Abdali, some of its areas namely Hanna Urak, and Kuchlak was given to Kalat State as an honor of relationship.

Quetta remained under Kandahar and was transferred to Nadir Shah on his taking that place. Later on Ahmed Shah Durrani conferred it on the Brahvi baloch after the campaign in eastern Persia in 1751, when he received gallant aid from noori naseer khan baloch 1 . Pishin meanwhile remained under the Durrani’s. Ahmed Shah given Pishin as a jagir with the condition of the supply of military services, to Pakar Khan Batezai. From the Durrani’s Pishin passed into the hands of Barakzai.

see the tomb picture of khan of kalat of that time mir bahadur khudadad khan Ahmedzai baloch

even pishin was under us thanks to Ahmed shah abdali

**TREATY OF KALAT IN 1758 BETWEEN KANDAHAR Afghanistan and KALAT Balochistan AND ITS IMPACT

ABSTRACT

The main objectives
behind this study are to search and explore the reasons
events, clause and impacts of very famous treaty of Kalat 1758. No doubt this treaty
was opened new ways of development and projection for Balochistan, but, majority
of the historians, specially Afghan
writers deliberately ignored this important treaty
in their books, because this treaty was not only prove the complete independence of
Balochistan but also it shown the failure of Afghan monarch about their
Balochistan’s policy.
This treaty was confirmed
the position of the Khanate of Kalat,
and Balochistan became a complete independent country on the globe. If one side
this treaty was good for the Khanate, than the other side it’s provided many
confidence and cooperation to the Afghans monarch for his
Conquest in east (India
and Punjab) and west (Iran). This treaty was also established the relations between
Baloch and Afghan nations. No, doubt the Afghan and Baloch have every kind relations,
political, fiscal, and geographical, based on this treaty. The British
and Baloch
Writers support this treaty and discussed it in their books, but not in detail. This
treaty means “the backbone of Baloch Afghan relations”, if it skipped from the
history, the history of both countries cannot be defined.

The Treaty of Kalat or Treaty of Non
Interference 1758 A.D

After three battles and forty days blockade of Kalat
fort balochistan and withdrawal of afghan forces in 1758 a treaty was singed between both
countries.all those historians who researched on Balochistan, majority of them accepted
these reasons and events and as well as the treaty of Kalat 1758 A.D. like, Mason, Hennery
Pottinger, Ganda Singh, Elphinston
e and Akhund Mohammad Siddique.The main points of the
treaty were following

  1. Khan - e- Baloch, Mir Naseer Khan Baloch will not pay any tribute to Shah-e-Afghan in the furure

  2. Khan -e-Baloch will not supply San (Military assistance) to Ahmed Shah Durrani. But
    provided he is at war against external enemies, the Khan will supply a military
    contingent as a token of help, on the condition that the Afghan King provide annually
    Rs. 100,000 and military weapons and provide for the expenditure of the army as rewards

  3. Khan -e- Baloch will not provide any help or asylum to rebel princes of the Sadozai or
    Afghan Chiefs. On the other hand, the Afghan King also will not give any help or
    refuge to prince of the Royal family of Kalat -e- Ahmedzai

4 ) Shah-e-Afghan in future will never interfere
in the internal affairs, disputes and matters
of Balochistan

5 ) all those areas of Khan -e- Baloch, which are in the possession of Shah-e-Afghan will be handed over today to Khan -e-Baloch**

This Treaty shows the political and diplomatic wisdom of Mir Naseer Khan Baloch. He stress
Ahmed Shah Durrani to sign an agreement.

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READ THIS TREAY BY CLICKING THIS LINK **http://www.uob.edu.pk/Journals/TREATY%20OF%20KALAT%201758%20BETWEEN%20QANDHAR%20AND%20KALAT%20AND%20ITS%20IMPACTS.pdf

CAN READ this treaty FROM HERE AS WELL https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxub29yaW5hc2VlcmtoYW5haG1lZHNoYWhhYmRhbGl8Z3g6NjlkZWE3NTU2Yzk5M2QxNQ

**Noori Naseer Khan Baloch (1749-1817)
from Inside Baluchistan
Autobiography: The Khan of Kalat

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Ahmed Shah Abdali of Afghanistan advanced towards Kalat in 1758 with his army cause Noori Naseer Khan Baloch Revolted against him as he started interfering in the internal affairs of balochistan
The Baluches put up a tenacious defense and fought fiercely. So sustained and stubborn was the Baluch
Resistance that their long siege tired the Afghan army, which finally had to enter into an agreement
with Mir Nasir Khan. This agreement which is known as the ‘Agreement of Kalat’, provided that
“henceforth Baluch forces, under the command of Khan-e-Baluch would have their due share in all the future conquests of Ahmed Shah Abdali”. Thus, what commenced as a bloody war ended as a happy union, which eventually proved to be a great source of strength to the Afghans. Consequently, Mir Nasir Khan and the Army of Baluches participated with Ahmed Shah Abdali in several expeditions;and in some expeditions Nasir Khan was himself in command of the joint forces. His bold and victorious steering of the Battle of Meshed against the Persians, in particular, so greatly impressed the Afghan King that the latter gave him the title of Brather-e-Wafadar(the faithful
brother), and made a present of the Shal Region(now Quetta) to his mother,Bibi Maryam.
Similarly, it was Mir Nasir Khan again who, with his army of twenty five thousand Baluches, came to
the help of Ahmed Shah Abdali at the famous Third Battle of Panipat in 1761. It was this combination
of outstanding military valor and fighting skill which crushed once and for all the rising Marhatta
menace in Northern India.

Victory Against the Sikhs

The Sikhs had formed themselves into a force to be reckoned with as early as 1710,when they made
their first incursions into the Upper Doab under Banda-a nondescript follower of Guru Govind Singh.
They had sacked Sharanpur, Ambehtan and Nanavath in the Upper Doab; but moved no further till
after the Third Battle of Panipat in 1761, when they once again resumed their infiltrations deeper into
the region, finally capturing Lahore in 1764, where they established their short-lived Khalsa State
extending from Jhelum to the banks of Jamuna.
It was then that they rose against the Muslims, whose condition was getting progressively weaker due
to the onset of the general decline of the Moghul Empire. Sensing danger to the cause of Islam, Shah
Waliullah of Delhi wrote to Ahmed Shah Abdali and Mir Nasir Khan asking them to help their
brethren-in-faith. This was an open call for Jehad(religious war); and Abdali and the Khan-e`-Baluch-
VI, Mir Nasir Khan, responded readily to it, the latter’s contribution being a contingent of twelve
thousand warriors headed by himself in the front.
Thus it was that a combined Muslim Army of Afghans and Baluches marched into India to meet their
common foe in 1765. As always, Nasir Khan was in the forefront; but in this particular engagement, he
was more enthusiastic and reckless than ever, for if he fell on the battlefield, it would mean
Shahadat(martyrdom)-a Divine distinction which every true Muslim must live for.
And so it happened that while Mir Nasir Khan was piercing his way on his horse through the Sikh
ranks in a furious outburst near Lahore, he fell off his steed; and as he fell to the ground, the turban he
was wearing got loose. As a result, his long hair popped out from beneath his head-wear. One of the
Sikh combatants noticing the fall rushed out at him with the sword to secure what could have been his
‘prize-kill’. But as fate would have it, another Sikh hastily halted his comrade’s blow in the nick of time,
saying that the man(i e Nasir Khan) was a Khalsa(Sikh)!
The Sikh had naturally mistaken the turban-less Nasir Khan for a Sikh! For, his long hair and
unmistakably communal resemblance.
However, by the time the Sikhs became aware of their self-deception, Nasir Khan was once again on
his feet; and the other Baluch Swordsmen, too, charged and drove back the Sikhs, who eventually
suffered a crushing defeat and retreated in haste.
On returning to his camp after the encounter, Mir Nasir Khan immediately sent for a barber and got his
long hair and beard cropped short in strict accordance with requirements of Sharia(Islamic code of
conduct).
For a long time after this, he regretted to have missed the enviable attainment of martyrdom in the
cause of Islam on account his resemblance to a kafir(infidel) just because of his misleading long hair
and flowing beard.
The Baluches under their Khan had fought so gallantly and successfully against the Sikhs that Ahmed
Shah Abdali was delighted to express his appreciation and gratitude in these words:
“Khan! You once helped us, the Afghans,to become free from the slavery of the Persians by
giving them a crushing defeat; and now once again, on the battlefield of Panjab, you have earned our
gratitude for the selfless and gallant fight against the Sikhs, for which we are proud of you.

**This ten thousand one hundred and twenty-strong Division(Dasta-e-Khas) was in the personal command of the Khan-e-Azam and placed as the central formation, flanked by the Sarawan Lashkar
on the right, and the Jhalawan Lashkar on the left. The tribe wise breakup of the force was:

  1. Zagar Mengal 1000
  2. Lasi 1000
  3. Kharani 1000
  4. Sanjrani 1000
  5. Marri 1000
  6. Bugti 1000
  7. Derajati 2000
  8. Makrani 1000
  9. Mirwani 100
  10. Qumbarani 50
  11. Altazai 50
  12. Gurnari 100
  13. Qalandarani 100
  14. Samalani 200
  15. Mroduni 200
  16. Dehwar 60
  17. Dehwar of Mastung 60
  18. Jamali 200

Total : 10,120
The Sarawan Division
This Division(Dasta-e`-Doem) numbering five thousand and eight hundred compromised of tribes
settled in Sarawan, and was commanded by the Sardar of the Raisani tribe. Its tribe-wise constituents
were:

  1. Raisani 300
  2. Shahwani 800
  3. Bangulzai 500
  4. Kurd 500
  5. Mohammad Shahi 300
  6. Sarprah 300
  7. Lahri 300
  8. Rind 800
  9. Lango 500
  10. Parkari 150
  11. Dehwar of Kalat 50
  12. Various Tribes from Kachi 300
  13. Tribes from Khangarh 500
    (Jacobabad)
  14. Tribes from Nasirabad 500

Total: 5,800
The Jhalawan Division
Numbering four thousand and five hundred, this Jahlawani Lashkar (Dasta-e`-Soem) was under the
command of the Sardar of the Zarakzai Clan of Zahri Tribe, and compromised of the following other
tribes:

  1. Zahri 800
  2. Mohammad Hasani 800
  3. Bizenjo 300
  4. Mengal 1000
  5. Magsi 800
  6. Sasoli 300
  7. Khadrani 100
  8. Nichari 100
  9. Jatak 100
  10. Bajoi 100
  11. Sajdi 100

Total: 4,500
His Majesty Mir Nasir Khan Baluch is the Father of Baluchistan, he bought together the Baluch as one
nation under God, a nation state stretching from Bandar Abbas in the west to Kulachi (Karachi)
in the east ,and from Gawader in the south to Harand-Dajal (Dera Ismail Khan) in the north

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ALL THOSE REGION WHERE THE BALOCH ARE SETTLED ARE PART AND PARCEL OF OUR STATE NOORI NASEER KHAN BALOCH GHAZI -E-DEEN NASEER -E- MILATA-E- MOHAMMADIYA HIS TITILES

REFERENCE**

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  2. Baloch, Inayatullah,1987, The Problem of Greater Balochistan, GMBH, Stuttgart, Germany
  3. Dames, Long Wroth, 1988, Popular Poetry of Baloches, Balochi Academy, Quetta
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  17. Sykes, Persi Monsorth, 1940, A History of Afghanistan, Vol -II, London
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  19. G.P. Tate, 1973, Kingdom of Afghanistan, Indus Publications, Karach**

**YOU ARE WRONG I M RIGHT EVEN THE BRITISH PASHTUN AND SIKH WRITERS SUPPORT THIS TREATY KHUDA KA KHOF KARO U GUYS TELL LIES LIKE WATER NOT UR FAULT U GUYS R RACIST AND U HAVE INFERORTITY COMPLEX **!NEXT TIME THINK THOUSAND TIMES BEFORE BASING BALOCH NATION DONT U DARE TO BASH ALL BALOCH NATION UNDER THE PRETEXT OF BLA AS WE DONT BASE PASHTUN UNDER THE PRETEXT OF TALIBAN GIVE RESPECT GET RESPECT GET IT NEXT TIME BE CAREFUL

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^ Do you think that this discussion would go anywhere? Even Karachi used to be a Sindhi/Baloch city but now Urdu speaking people are in the majority there. The same can be said about other cities and even countries. The boundaries of the whole region has changed so many times that its not possible now to judge which area belongs to whom. Cant we learn to live and let live?

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NO! ;)

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Ali_Syed](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/ali_syed.html)
**ap ne bilkul sahi farmaya muje gussa is bath pe aya k ye log jhoot bohat bolthay hain and he used bad language for baloch nation when i never used bad language for pashtun nation if they want to live peacefully with us then they have to respect us like we respect them **

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ATTENTIOM EVETRYONE AND ADMIN HE IS AN AFGHANI PASHTUN NOT PAKISTANI PASHTUN HE IS ANTI PAK ANTI BALOCH AND ANTI PUNJABI IN FRONT OF BALOCH AND PUNJABI HE IS PRO BALOCH AND PUNJABI BUT BEHIND OUR BACKS HE IS ANTI BALOCH AND ANTI PUNJABI HE IS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF AFGHANI PASHTUN FORUM HE QUOTED MY MESSAGES OF THIS FORUM THEIR TO DEFAME ME IF ADMIN U ALLOW ME I CAN SHOW U HIS ANTI PAKISTAN MESSAGES ON THAT FORUM WE BALOCH ARE PAKISTANI AND WE LOVE OUR PASHTUN PUNJABI SINDHI KASHMIRI BROTHERS NOONE CAN DIVIDE US AND WE HATE AFGHANISTAN AND AFGHAN REFUGEES CAUSE THEY ARE ENEMY OF PAKISTAN AND THEY WANT US TO FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER PAKISTAN ZINDABAD