*A spokesman for the Baloch Liberation Army claimed responsibility for Ms Nazima’s killing. He told reporters on phone that it was a reaction... *
ah they've learnt the language of Taleban along with their methods.
Some 15 years ago there was a big fight between Pashtuns and Balouchies.
I wholeheartedly condemn the killing of Punjabi civilians in Baluchistan.
The incident 15 years ago was because of Afghan refugees, similar incidents happened in Pakhtunkhwa as well. Pashtun and Baluch have lived for centuries togather with no problem. Both group belong to the Indo-Iranic branch of Indo-Eurapean Family. They have intermarried and in fact Khan of Kalat whose family ruled Baluchistan for 400 years till the creation of Pakistan, was an Ahmedzai Pashtun.
They have intermarried and in fact Khan of Kalat whose family ruled Baluchistan for 400 years till the creation of Pakistan, was an Ahmedzai Pashtun.
Wrong, Khan of Kalat are NOT Pashtun or Baloch. The Khans of Kalat are Brahvi (Brohi). They are of a Dravidian Race. Their language is related to TAMIL language of Southern India. I have personal friend from the Khan's family.
After they defeated the Pashtun and Baloch tribes (read Brig Haroon Rashid history of Pashtons) they married Baloch and Pashtun women and "Balochified" themselves and also use Pashtun nomenclature (Ahmed-Zai). Ahmedzai comes from Mir "Ahmed " Begler Begi Kambarani I (one of the earlier Wali of Kalat), his children started calling themselves Ahmedzai.
They are Kambarani branch of the Brahvi. Their language is even now very closely related to Tamil.
The fact is 'Balochistan' was ruled the Non-Baloch Brohis (Khans of Kalat) for centuries. The State of Kalat received tribute from all Baloch and Pashtun tribes nearby.
Only after Pakistan was formed that Baloch tribes gained more recognition. Baloch areas of Mastung, Lasbela joined Pakistan even before the Brohi sardars of Kalat agreed. And Pakistan treated the Baloch with more affinity than the Brohis of Kalat.
Safar
Wrong, Khan of Kalat are NOT Pashtun or Baloch. The Khans of Kalat are Brahvi (Brohi). They are of a Dravidian Race. Their language is related to TAMIL language of Southern India. I have personal friend from the Khan's family.
After they defeated the Pashtun and Baloch tribes (read Brig Haroon Rashid history of Pashtons) they married Baloch and Pashtun women and "Balochified" themselves and also use Pashtun nomenclature (Ahmed-Zai). Ahmedzai comes from Mir "Ahmed " Begler Begi Kambarani I (one of the earlier Wali of Kalat), his children started calling themselves Ahmedzai.
They are Kambarani branch of the Brahvi. Their language is even now very closely related to Tamil.
The fact is 'Balochistan' was ruled the Non-Baloch Brohis (Khans of Kalat) for centuries. The State of Kalat received tribute from all Baloch and Pashtun tribes nearby.
Only after Pakistan was formed that Baloch tribes gained more recognition. Baloch areas of Mastung, Lasbela joined Pakistan even before the Brohi sardars of Kalat agreed. And Pakistan treated the Baloch with more affinity than the Brohis of Kalat.
Safar
Ahmedzai is a big Pashtun tribe in east afghanistan, why would they use the name Ahmedzai instead of their own dravidian name if they were the conqueror of Pashtuns and Baloch. For your info no Pashtuns tribe ever lived in Kalat so there is no question of defeating them.
Mir Suleman Daud ahmadzai the current heir of the Khannat of Kalat who is fighting for Baluchistan Independence, traces his ancestry to Ahmedzai Pashtun tribe. You should see his picture, he doesn't look Tamil to me.
Ahmedzai is a big Pashtun tribe in east afghanistan, why would they use the name Ahmedzai instead of their own dravidian name if they were the conqueror of Pashtuns and Baloch. For your info no Pashtuns tribe ever lived in Kalat so there is no question of defeating them.
Mir Suleman Daud ahmadzai the current heir of the Khannat of Kalat who is fighting for Baluchistan Independence, traces his ancestry to Ahmedzai Pashtun tribe. You should see his picture, he doesn't look Tamil to me.
Ahmedzai of Afghanistan are different. Ahmedzai of Kambarani family of Kalat are different. They derive their name from Mir Ahmed Kambarani I. Kambarani tribes are of Dravidan Brohis. No, he does not trace his ancestory to Pashtun. But they do like to identify themselves with Baloch in order to gain political legitimacy of ruling over them. This is very common. The Qazalbash though being Turk styled themselves as Persians. The Barlas Mongols styled themselves as Chugtai Turk.
Kambarani Brohis of Kalat (Who styled themselves as Mir, Sardar, Begler Begi, Khan and Ahmedzai) defeated Baloch, Pashtun and Sindhi tribes residing North, South and East of them.
Yeah they don't look Tamil because they have mostly married Baloch and Pashtun women (for last few generations). Even my friends mother is Pashtun while her father is Brohi (from Khan of Kalat family). Brohis are a Dravidian race.
Read some history (from Original sources), not hearsay.
Safar
Ahmedzai of Afghanistan are different. Ahmedzai of Kambarani family of Kalat are different. They derive their name from Mir Ahmed Kambarani I. Kambarani tribes are of Dravidan Brohis. No, he does not trace his ancestory to Pashtun. But they do like to identify themselves with Baloch in order to gain political legitimacy of ruling over them. This is very common. The Qazalbash though being Turk styled themselves as Persians. The Barlas Mongols styled themselves as Chugtai Turk.
Kambarani Brohis of Kalat (Who styled themselves as Mir, Sardar, Begler Begi, Khan and Ahmedzai) defeated Baloch, Pashtun and Sindhi tribes residing North, South and East of them.
Yeah they don't look Tamil because they have mostly married Baloch and Pashtun women (for last few generations). Even my friends mother is Pashtun while her father is Brohi (from Khan of Kalat family). Brohis are a Dravidian race.
Read some history (from Original sources), not hearsay.
Safar
Who is going to believe this that bunch of Dravidian defeated warrior tribes of Pashtun, Baloch and Sindhis around them. There is no mention of this event in the history books.
Baloch's claiming of bravery and hospitility are false, their representatives rebels r killing innocent punjabi civilians,. they are intolerant, cruel people and historically famous as "dakoos" and looters so expecting pashtun like traits from them is futile.
Even Pashtuns in balochistan are victems of baloch intolerance and racism e.g they do business in pashtuns areas freely but do not allow them to do it in their own areas.
From what I have seen there are plenty of Pashtun workers and businessmen all over the Balochi and Brohi belt of Balochistan.
I visited Quetta in 2008 and heard a story of how a young man was attacked because he wore Jeans. The Baloch assumed he was Punjabi because they are much more likely to wear western clothing than the Pashtuns or Baloch. They found out later that the young man in jeans was a Baloch. I assume many others have been attacked "accidentally".
The Baloch seem to take a dislike to Pakistani Hazara's or Changezi's as they prefer to be called. I think that is because they have a good representation in government jobs, bureaucracy and more pro-Pakistani than the Baloch and the Quetta Pasthuns as a whole.
Get rid of your chauvanism and do some research. Ask any Brohi or Baloch where the Khan of Kalat’s family comes from. The Baloch will reluctantly admit that they are really Brohis.
Go read the book “History of Pathans” by Brigadier(r) Haroon Rashid (a Pakhtun from Kohat). That will relate some wars that the Brohi chieftains waged on Baloch, Pashtuns and Sindhi tribes in order to subdue them. Brig. Haroon is not necessarily a good historian and has his bias for Pathans. But still he admits the defeats that were inflicted on Pashtons by the Brohi chieftains.
Don’t read history from Pakistani text books are totally biased fairy tales. There is no such thing as “warrior race”. This was a myth created by British after 1857 war. During Mughals dynasty Indian Rajputs were used by Mughals even as far upto Kabul.
Here are some references to Brohi origin of Mir Nasir Khan Kambarani I. The first Khan of Kalat or Wali of Kalat.
The cyclopædia of India and of eastern and southern Asia …, Volume 2 1885
"Kalat town, in lat, 29° N., and long. 06° 40’ E., is the capital of Baluchistan. It is 7000 feet above the sea, in a narrow valley, with the hills of Cutch Gandava on its east. Its soils are rich, and it has one permanent stream, with several of the karez aqueducts. Kalat district is the principal district of the Brahui race. The town was taken by storm by the British Indian army on the 13th November 1839, from the northern or Mustung gate. The population consists of the dominant Brahui, and of Baluch, Dehwar, Babi, Afghans, Ghilzae, and slaves. The miri or citadel has the palace of the khan. The Babi suburb is on the south side; Brahui, Ghilzae, Afghans, and others dwell in the Past-i-Shahr, and Afghans are in all the suburbs. The number of the inhabitants has been stated at 12,000, and that of its houses at 800. The Ahmadzai branch of the Kamburani is the section of the Brahui to which the Khan of Kalat belongs. "
The Statesman’s year-book, Volume 39 … 1902
"The powers of Khan of Kalat was founded in 17th century by a hill chief named Kumbar.. his successor gradually made themselves supreme from Kalat to the Arabian Sea, and about 1740 Abdulla Khan, the fourth Brahui Khan of Kalat, was acknowledged as chief of Baluchistan by Nadir Shah Afshar. "
http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/Profile.aspx?LangID=207&menu=004
“Brahui is the earliest offshoot of Dravidian and its speakers have remained in their present location for several thousands of years (Andronov 2001). At the time of the Dravidian migration (roughly 3-4,000 BC) when other tribes moved south and southeast, the Brahuis remained in place, thus breaking with their kinsfolk. The Brahuis were subject to numerous waves of foreign invaders who influenced various aspects of their culture, such as language and religion. Over the last few centuries, the survival of the Brahui ethnicity became jeopardized. Many members began renouncing their language and culture, identifying instead with the nearby Baluchi. However, after 1947, political changes in Pakistan stimulated the resurgence of the Brahui language and culture”
Most of the Baloch and Pashtun tribes came towards East being pushed by Aggressive Turkic and Mongol tribes from the North and West. Just like the Afghans muhajireen came to Pakistan when Russians invaded from the North.
The Baloch seem to take a dislike to Pakistani Hazara's or Changezi's as they prefer to be called. I think that is because they have a good representation in government jobs, bureaucracy and more pro-Pakistani than the Baloch and the Quetta Pasthuns as a whole.
The Hazarajats (Changezis) are very patriotic Pakistanis. Many officers in Pakistan Army and Airforce come from this small community. General Musa Khan COAS was also from the Hazarajat community.
Safar
The khanate of Kalat was always been a feudatory of Kandahar until it was taken by the Brits in 1839. The khan of Kalat was a trusted leader in the army of Ahmad Shah Durrani, who in 1761 invaded India and crushed both Mughal and Maratha forces at the battle of Panipat.
The khanate of Kalat was always been a feudatory of Kandahar until it was taken the Brits in 1839. The khan of Kalat was a trusted leader in the army of Ahmad Shah Durrani, who in 1761 invaded India and crushed both Mughal and Maratha forces at the battle of Panipat.
Ahmed Abdali was a prisoner jailed by rival Ghalzais in Kandahar. When Nadir Shah Afshar (Qazalabash) of Persia defeated the Ghalzais and Abdalis in and around Kandahar he freed the boy Ahmed Abdali. Ahmed Abdali became one of the personal body guards of Nadir Shah Afshar.
Nadir Shah used to make his personal body guards wear pearl earings. That is where the "Durrani" came from. After Nadir Shah Afshar was assassinated by his fellow Turkomans, Ahmed Abdali became Ahmed Shah durrani.
The Brohi Kambarani dynasty of Kalat are older than both Ahmed Abdali and his Master Nadir Shah Afshar Qazalabash. The Brohi Khans of Kalat remained in power even after the house of Abdali fell in 1826. They pledged allegiance to both Nadir Shah and Ahmed Abdali and before that to the Mughals as well.
Both Nadir Shah and Ahmed Abdali recognized the Brohi Khans of Kalat as rulers of Balochistan. Brohis of Kalat ruled as a princely state until the merger with Pakistan.
The Baloch areas merged with Pakistan before the ruler of Kalat agreed.
Ahmed Abdali was a prisoner jailed by rival Ghalzais in Kandahar. When Nadir Shah Afshar (Qazalabash) of Persia defeated the Ghalzais and Abdalis in and around Kandahar he freed the boy Ahmed Abdali. Ahmed Abdali became one of the personal body guards of Nadir Shah Afshar.
Nadir Shah used to make his personal body guards wear pearl earings. That is where the "Durrani" came from. After Nadir Shah Afshar was assassinated by his fellow Turkomans, Ahmed Abdali became Ahmed Shah durrani.
I can see your hatred toward Pashtuns by insulting Ahmed Shah Baba. Ahmed Shah Baba was a man who did a big favor to you indian muslims by destroying Marhatas in the battle of Paniput. Marhatas used to keep their animals in your masjids, raped muslim women, forced Muslims to convert to Hunduism. It was great Ahmed Shah Baba who came to your rescue by the appeal of Shah Wali Waliullah.
...Ahmed Shah Baba who came to your rescue by the appeal of Shah Wali Waliullah.
lapak, I see your ignorance, racism and chauvinism all the time. I am quoting history of the Brohis and Afshar-Qazalbash and Abdalis. History changes hands all the time. At a time Indian emperors ruled upto Bukhara, other times Emperors from Bukhara ruled Delhi.
Also I told you not to read from Pakistani text books or hearsay. War against Marhattas was not that simple. Ibrahim Khan Ghardi (A Muslim from Deccan) was on the side of Marhattas during this war. While Sikh Chief Alia Singh of Patiala and Kachwa Rajputs of Mewar were supporting Abdalids army. You may call him Ahmed Abdali Baba, but most of Afghanistan was built by Ghalzais (not Abdalis). Marhattas also retook Delhi only 20 years after Panipat. Their final defeat came at the hands of British East India Company.
Finally don't assume all Pakistanis are from India as mine are Afshar-Qazalabash.
Safar
lapak, I see your ignorance, racism and chauvinism all the time. I am quoting history of the Brohis and Afshar-Qazalbash and Abdalis. History changes hands all the time. At a time Indian emperors ruled upto Bukhara, other times Emperors from Bukhara ruled Delhi.
Also I told you not to read from Pakistani text books or hearsay. War against Marhattas was not that simple. Ibrahim Khan Ghardi (A Muslim from Deccan) was on the side of Marhattas during this war. While Sikh Chief Alia Singh of Patiala and Kachwa Rajputs of Mewar were supporting Abdalids army. You may call him Ahmed Abdali Baba, but most of Afghanistan was built by Ghalzais (not Abdalis). Marhattas also retook Delhi only 20 years after Panipat. Their final defeat came at the hands of British East India Company.
Finally don't assume all Pakistanis are from India as mine are Afshar-Qazalabash.
Safar
So you don't think Ahmed Shah baba did a big favor to indian muslims by destroying Marhattas who were determined to convert all indian muslims back to their original religion Hunduism.
By the way if you are so expert of history, could you tell me the specfic duties of Qazalbash in the royal court of Kabul? You dont have to answer me now, take your time, do some research and then answer this.
By the way if you are so expert of history, could you tell me the specfic duties of Qazalbash in the royal court of Kabul? You dont have to answer me now, take your time, do some research and then answer this.
Dear, Was it the same as the duties of Afghanis in the court of Mongol Illkhanate, or the duties of Afghanis in the court of Mughals? or the duties of Afghanis in court of Arghuns (Timuris)? or the Duties of Afghanis in the court of Safavids or the duties of Afghanis in the court of Afsharids or the Duties of Afghanis with the Americans these days?
Dear, Was it the same as the duties of Afghanis in the court of Mongol Illkhanate, or the duties of Afghanis in the court of Mughals? or the duties of Afghanis in court of Arghuns (Timuris)? or the Duties of Afghanis in the court of Safavids or the duties of Afghanis in the court of Afsharids or the Duties of Afghanis with the Americans these days?
No they were very different. Very special duties. Take your time find out and answer me later. You are allowed to ask an Afghan friend if you have one.
No they were very different. Very special duties. Take your time find out and answer me later. You are allowed to ask an Afghan friend if you have one.
Afghanis are inferiority complexed liars so I don't care what they say, in fact no one in the world cares. Afghanis have funny stories of Babur dressing up as Qalandar and Bibi Mubaraka Yusufzai lifting up her skirt in front of Mughal Babur and what not.
But you should find out the duties of Afghanis in court of Turks, Persians, Mongols, Timuris, Mughals, Safavids, Afsharids and even Americans these days. It will really enlighten you.
Afghanis are inferiority complexed liars so I don't care what they say, in fact no one in the world cares. Afghanis have funny stories of Babur dressing up as Qalandar and Bibi Mubaraka Yusufzai lifting up her skirt in front of Mughal Babur and what not.
But you should find out the duties of Afghanis in court of Turks, Persians, Mongols, Timuris, Mughals, Safavids, Afsharids and even Americans these days. It will really enlighten you.
Don't make me laugh about the persians, they were our colony for a long time. That's why Persians are our mortel enemy. We are getting ready for them with the help of friends whose intests are the same as ours. Soon we will teach them a lesson they will never forget. But you still have time to find out about the duties of Qazalbash in the court of Kabul.
Don't make me laugh about the persians, they were our colony for a long time. That's why Persians are our mortel enemy. We are getting ready for them with the help of friends whose intests are the same as ours. Soon we will teach them a lesson they will never forget. But you still have time to find out about the duties of Qazalbash in the court of Kabul.
LOL @ Persians mortal enemy. Afghanis are closest to Persians!! culturally, morally and genetically! Ever see the duties of Afghanis in streets of Islamabad or Dubai? Same duties they served for Turks, Persians, Mongols, Timurids, Arghuns, Mughals .. simply does not end!
I can see your hatred toward Pashtuns by insulting Ahmed Shah Baba. Ahmed Shah Baba was a man who did a big favor to you indian muslims by destroying Marhatas in the battle of Paniput. Marhatas used to keep their animals in your masjids, raped muslim women, forced Muslims to convert to Hunduism. It was great Ahmed Shah Baba who came to your rescue by the appeal of Shah Wali Waliullah.
Afghans never did any favours to the Hindustani Musalman. After the battle of Panipat, Afghans soldiers raped and pillaged Muslim villages and Qasbas in and arroound Delhi.
And the Marathas never forced anyone to convert to Hinduism. They maintained Farsi as the language of administration, and used Muslim officers and administrators. The poet Ghalib's uncle was an administrator under the Marathas, and so was Sir Syeds father. Infact, after ten years of Afghan military occupation of Delhi, the people revolted and called Mahadjee Sindhia to expel them and station his forces. Even Shah Waliullah regreted inviting the Afghans, and had very good personal relations with the various Maratha chiefs.
Most Hundustanee Musalmaan have a low opoinion on Afghans, who were often potrayed as dry fruit sellers and money lenders in Urdu literature. So they have nothing to be thankfull to the denizens of Pakhtunkhwa.
And ask any honest Punjabi Musalmaan, and he will nothing but bad things to say about Afghan occupation of Punjab. Infact in Kashmir, the word Afghan is an insult.