Bonn boycott — A bold reaction

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China does a favor to itself by buyiing US credit....if it does not buy it, its economy is going down the drain...90% of Chinese reserves are in US dollar. If dollar is wiped out, CHina is wiped out too......America can dissolve dollar and create a new currency Amero. Ron Paul has already talked about the new currency Amero.

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Grow up and back off guys ... take it easy :)

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I think pakistan has said that attendance at Bonn is linked to US apology about the action, so I guess the ball has been thrown back into the US boat. Obama was late in responding to the Pakistan issue, but I think it is due to his snake like nature (no backbone) which is why we got the crappy healthcare bill that we did.

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I know the exact picture of USA as I am living in this country for the past 24 years. I have seen the ups and downs. One thing is clear, America learns from its mistake (unlike Pakistan). Plight of USD is not as bad as you paint it to be, in fact, in fact it might appear strange to you, but it is still considered the safest currencies, especially after EURO. I am not saying our economy is not hurting, but it is not in the dire state you are describing.

Americans for most part vote with their wallet, therefore we will fix our economy eventually and that does not mean we will regain the economic might we once had, but will chart a new course.

But, you seems to justify Pakistan’s pain, as long as it hurts America and this exact tendency is what the world hates in any country (e.g. North Korea and Libya). Pakistan seem to have ambition much beyond its capability and considers itself more important that it is. One thing is clear Pakistan is over playing its hand of “geo-political” advantage. Pakistan’s conduct in the past 20+ years makes this clear that it wants to hold on to Afghanistan one way or the other, want to wrestle Kashmir away from India and want to be the champion of Islamic world.

The best way to influence Afghanistan in the long run is to let go of it now, and use the natural affinity to get involved in Afghanistan - there again it should not expect to dominate but to benefit while helping.

Indians individually are a arrogant bunch, but not their government, at least not overtly.

Peace.:flowers:

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:smack: When will you guys take the head out of sand. If Obama is a snake, then what is Pakistan, while promising to fight terrorism and taking billions of dollars as payment, its been playing double game. As I said elsewhere, Pakistan is over playing it’s hand.

Peace.

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/01/obama-not-to-offer-formal-condolences-over-nato-attack-nyt.html

Pakistan has to do what it feels is right to protect its interests while the president of America refuses to offer condolences for the soldiers. How can he, after all he is the commander in chief of the force which deliberately murdered these soldiers.

Peace.

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Don’t you think its more suited to USA ??

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Wait till December 23 (for the inquiry to complete) for an answer. If Pakistan was NOT informed (as claimed) and there is even some doubt US acted in haste, then there will be unequivocal apology from US. If not I will join you in calling Obama a coward.

But if the inquiry proves other wise, then probably US will leave this as an “unfortunate instance” and it will prove my point, that Pak cries foul of everything, when it is foul personified itself.

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US and Pakistan's objectives are different. The primary motive for US is to clean Afghanistan of fundamentalists who want to hurt US. If Afghanistan develops to be a moderate moderate Country in the process it will be a bonus for them.

Whereas Pakistan want to benefit from Afghanistan's trade and want it for strategic purpose as well.

Regards

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The US is just stalling & wants to let things cool down. Btw, one of the reason why Pakistan refused to participate is that since 2002... 72 Pakistan soldiers have been killed in NATO attacks & nothing ever came out those investigations.

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i say good decision, and pakistan should stick to it. conferences hoti rehti hain, aaj nahi to kal aik aur ho jayegi... what this will give pakistan is a base, a moral ground to stand on in future, if they want to.

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Word!

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i think it is a good excuse for the faujis to keep themselves out of a peaceful settlement of afghanistan post us withdrawa..
l and make sure they have their strategic assets in place to repeat their disastrous 1990s afghanistan policies.

By Prof Ijaz Khan
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft/article.php?issue=20111202&page=6
Unfriendly fire

Pakistan has lodged a strong diplomatic protest to last week’s NATO raid; but it must not risk becoming totally irrelevant to Afghanistan’s future

Are we at war?
The killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in a NATO attack on a Mohmand border post last week is tragic, and it has made Pakistanis angry. But a sound policy cannot be made on the basis of sorrow or anger.

Policy responses should be not based on emotions, and it is especially not appropriate to whip up emotions as a tool of policy, not just on moral grounds, but also because it reduces maneuverability - an elementary factor of good policy.

Pakistan’s response to the incident includes stopping NATO/ISAF supplies to Afghanistan, asking the US to vacate the Shamsi airbase, reassessment of Pakistan-US relations, and a demand for an apology with an assurance such incidents will not occur again. This was followed by an announcement that Pakistan will not attend the Bonn Conference on Afghanistan.

What is Pakistan up to? Does it have a clear, calculated policy on how it will react? Is that policy a result of a serious debate? Who is the real author of this policy reaction? What does Pakistan want to achieve? What are the implications of this course of action? To what extent is Pakistan prepared to go?

What actually happened matters less than what is stated to have happened. It is what is stated that becomes the basis for policy. Often, what happens is stated in a way that will suit a policy that has already been made.

There is genuine anger in Pakistan, but the public frenzy that has been created for ideological, political or leverage purposes has limited Pakistan’s diplomatic maneuverability

Pakistan’s military and a number of its opinion makers state that the NATO raid was a calculated act and not a mistake. They say the raid was meant to pressure Pakistan. Reports in the US media claim the action was in self defence. But the truth may never be conclusively known.

The Americans have expressed sorrow at the loss of life but have not apologised. That means such action might be repeated in a similar situation in future.

Rahimullah Yousafzai, a veteran journalist not known for his anti-establishment views, has reported deaths of Afghan civilians, at other places on other occasions, as a result of artillery fire from the Pakistani side of the Durand Line. The truth about that will never be fully known either.

**The anger of the man on the street is justified by what he hears, but serious analysts are also asking Pakistan to at least stay firm on the actions already taken and not accept any pressure from friends or other countries in this regard, including likely interventions from the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

If one reads between the lines, Pakistan’s all-weather friend China has also not come out clearly in support of Pakistani policy position. They have sympathised with Pakistan and condoled the death of its soldiers, something the US has expressed as well. They have called for respect for Pakistan’s territorial sovereignty without clearly calling the incident as a violation. They have demanded an enquiry, something which NATO has already announced. Several states have condoled the death of Pakistani troops or condemned the loss of life, but none has condemned the act itself.

The manner in which this issue is being handled has more consequences for domestic politics than foreign policy or security of the country

Pakistan continues to play on the US need for Pakistani support in the endgame in Afghanistan. The price Pakistan wants for its cooperation is not acceptable to America. Keeping in mind the asymmetrical relations, Pakistan must clearly calculate whether it is ready to suffer or is capable of suffering the diplomatic, economic and military consequences if matters get out of hand.

There is genuine anger in Pakistan, but the public frenzy that has been created for ideological, political or leverage purposes has limited Pakistan’s diplomatic maneuverability. Has Pakistan decided not to back out at any stage at all? Even if at some stage an enquiry reveals an explanation that is different from the ones given from both sides? Will it then be possible for Pakistan to change its stance? Only at the cost of reaction from the public that already feels betrayed because of similar moves in the past.**

The manner in which this issue is being handled has more consequences for domestic politics than foreign policy or security of the country. The imbalance in civil-military relations is tilting further in favour of the military. The dilemma is that the civilian leadership is unable to do much about it. It was already on the back foot because of the memogate issue.

Pakistan must give diplomacy a chance. It needs to revise its position and wait for the result of an enquiry. Pakistan has lodged a strong diplomatic protest, which was the correct and appropriate response. But it must not risk becoming totally irrelevant to Afghanistan’s future.

Dr Ijaz Khan is a professor of International Relations at University of Peshawar, and author of the book ‘Pakistan’s Strategic Culture and Foreign Policy Making: A Study of Pakistan’s Post 9/11 Afghan Policy’ published by Nova Publishers, New York

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/05/pakistan-may-attend-afghan-talks-claim-sources.html

Pakistan may attend Afghan talks, claim sources
**WASHINGTON: Diplomatic circles in Washington are expecting a low level participation from Pakistan in the conference on Afghanistan kicking off today in the German city of Bonn, DawnNews reported.

**Sources claimed that Pakistan might attend the talks on a diplomatic level.

The breakthrough was made possible after US President Barack Obama held a telephonic conversation with President Asif Ali Zardari, sources added.%between%

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ooppsss.... daddy says don't be naughty!

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/05/pakistan-may-attend-afghan-talks-claim-sources.html

Pakistan may attend Afghan talks, claim sources
**WASHINGTON: Diplomatic circles in Washington are expecting a low level participation from Pakistan in the conference on Afghanistan kicking off today in the German city of Bonn, DawnNews reported.

**Sources claimed that Pakistan might attend the talks on a diplomatic level.

The breakthrough was made possible after US President Barack Obama held a telephonic conversation with President Asif Ali Zardari, sources added.[

lagta hay sari hawa nikal gaiee. lets see](“http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/05/pakistan-may-attend-afghan-talks-claim-sources.html”)

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**Pakistan says no change in position on Bonn conference

**http://tribune.com.pk/story/302470/pakistan-says-no-change-in-position-on-bonn-conference/](http://tribune.com.pk/story/302470/pakistan-says-no-change-in-position-on-bonn-conference/)

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How can one even read this story at a time when the meeting is already under way? Is it a child’s play to participate in the meeting? Is it an engagement party where you just put on your clothes and rush in? Is there anything called common sense?

Look at the story…look at its construction…how can we even think to believe in it? :@: It’s a crap.

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